TR F-16 Özgür | Hürkuş - Fighter Trainer Aircraft Projects

[Test7]

Ismail Demir stated that the alternative jet is not on the agenda. He added that they focused on domestic projects.

 

[Nilgiri]

The TS1400 engine will be integrated into the T129 ATAK & T625 Gökbey helicopters. I do not recall any reference to a TS1400 engine remodeling to the requirements of the Hurkus B. There was direction from TEI in a statement from its representative but there were no details. Do you know anything more?

Relatively easy conversion since its free power turbine. This just will power the prop instead of shaft.

in essence Turkey looks to create a family of engines here around a core much like PT-6 has done here in Canada.

In our case at PWC, we first made the A (turboprop) from the PT6 core (i.e gas turbine) and later the B and C (are turboshafts).

TEI-1400 core will be reverse: first used in a turboshaft, and then later a turboprop.

Only one that Turkey will have to start new family model (for TF-X, hurjet etc) is a turbofan class, as those need significant more power rated core (and also lend themselves more naturally to single shaft if, which can add weight by gearbox need if changed to prop/shaft variant).

i.e centrifugal compressors (like used in TEI 1400 core) is not going to be enough for a turbofan.

 

[Ryder]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1370383548801224704

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Tweet says: According to some claims, Turkey interests to Russian SU-57

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Honestly Russian made jets might be behind their Western counterparts but sure are formidable and never to be underestimated.

The thing is Russian or Chinese jets can never be intergrated into a Nato military system of the Turkish airforce.

Russian Jets are a different ball game this is going to require training from scratch. Also different weapon systems I doubt the Turks would able to put their own missiles and electronics in a SU35 and the SU57. Russia will basically make us pay for their missiles.

A lot of Turkish F35 fanboys usually call Russian jets as trash mainly due to their blinded fanboyism and worship of the F35 and the F22.

Russian Jets are formidable but just not what the Turkish airforce is looking.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Relatively easy conversion since its free power turbine. This just will power the prop instead of shaft.

in essence Turkey looks to create a family of engines here around a core much like PT-6 has done here in Canada.

In our case at PWC, we first made the A (turboprop) from the PT6 core (i.e gas turbine) and later the B and C (are turboshafts).

TEI-1400 core will be reverse: first used in a turboshaft, and then later a turboprop.

Only one that Turkey will have to start new family model (for TF-X, hurjet etc) is a turbofan class, as those need significant more power rated core (and also lend themselves more naturally to single shaft if, which can add weight by gearbox need if changed to prop/shaft variant).

i.e centrifugal compressors (like used in TEI 1400 core) is not going to be enough for a turbofan.

Prof Mahmut Aksit has stated that taking the TS1400 core and changing the compressor and turbine stages to an axial flow turbofan will create an engine that would give 8-9000lbf thrust. If he says it can be done, then I believe that somehow it is possible to create a turbofan from this radial flow turboshaft, no matter how much alteration and redesigning one has to do, to the engine itself.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Honestly Russian made jets might be behind their Western counterparts but sure are formidable and never to be underestimated.

The thing is Russian or Chinese jets can never be intergrated into a Nato military system of the Turkish airforce.

Russian Jets are a different ball game this is going to require training from scratch. Also different weapon systems I doubt the Turks would able to put their own missiles and electronics in a SU35 and the SU57. Russia will basically make us pay for their missiles.

A lot of Turkish F35 fanboys usually call Russian jets as trash mainly due to their blinded fanboyism and worship of the F35 and the F22.

Russian Jets are formidable but just not what the Turkish airforce is looking.

Turkey has already integrated a series of Turkish built ammunition and equipment on Azerbaijani Mig29 aircrafts. So it is possible to use locally produced bombs and targeting pods or equipment on Russian planes. If source codes are accessed , then more is possible!

 

[Nilgiri]

changing the compressor and turbine stages to an axial flow turbofan

Yes this would be the exact kind of thing thats needed to do it.

But it would be a new core design. You have fundamentally changed the innards concept...by using axial compressor....the whole diameters and geometries and channels etc... would change...along with the impact loads on the spools and hot section downstream from this.

That's not to say a lot of the technologies developed and used in TEI-1400 cannot be re-used in this new turbofan core....there will be lot of same things (and the capital machinery + processes more importantly) used in hot section for example...probably a few more stages there than TEI-1400.

 

[Ryder]

Turkey has already integrated a series of Turkish built ammunition and equipment on Azerbaijani Mig29 aircrafts. So it is possible to use locally produced bombs and targeting pods or equipment on Russian planes. If source codes are accessed , then more is possible!

Really??

I never knew that.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Really??

I never knew that.

Actually it was only recently that Turkish laser guidance kits were fitted to Su25 bombers of the Azerbaijani airforce.

Su-25 uçaklarına ASELSAN Lazer Güdüm Kiti | STAR

Paylaş Standart bombaların vuruş hassasiyetini 10 metreye indiren ASELSAN’ın Lazer Güdüm Kiti’nin (LGK) yeni kullanıcısı Azerbaycan Hava Kuvvetleri oldu. 250 kilogram ağırlığındaki bombalara takılan LGK, Sukhoi Su-25 uçaklarına takılarak başarı ile denendi.

www.star.com.tr

 

[Ryder]

Actually it was only recently that Turkish laser guidance kits were fitted to Su25 bombers of the Azerbaijani airforce.

Su-25 uçaklarına ASELSAN Lazer Güdüm Kiti | STAR

Paylaş Standart bombaların vuruş hassasiyetini 10 metreye indiren ASELSAN’ın Lazer Güdüm Kiti’nin (LGK) yeni kullanıcısı Azerbaycan Hava Kuvvetleri oldu. 250 kilogram ağırlığındaki bombalara takılan LGK, Sukhoi Su-25 uçaklarına takılarak başarı ile denendi.

www.star.com.tr

These kits were used in the recent war am I right?

 

[Indos]

During November 1991, the maiden flight of the KT-1 took place, after which the flight testing programme formally commenced.
During 2000, the first KT-1 Woongbi was handed over to the RKAF; deliveries had originally been scheduled to commence two years earlier.

It took S.Koreans 9 years from maiden flight to introduction into S.Korean AirForce

Turkey will have done it in 8 years, if what has been posted is true.

What's with the cynicism, it's Friday for gods sake!

KT-1 is the first experience for South Korea in designing a plane, similar thing also for Turkey for Hurkus, so it is understandable it is quite long between the first flight and the induction.

 

[Indos]

Honestly Russian made jets might be behind their Western counterparts but sure are formidable and never to be underestimated.

The thing is Russian or Chinese jets can never be intergrated into a Nato military system of the Turkish airforce.

Russian Jets are a different ball game this is going to require training from scratch. Also different weapon systems I doubt the Turks would able to put their own missiles and electronics in a SU35 and the SU57. Russia will basically make us pay for their missiles.

A lot of Turkish F35 fanboys usually call Russian jets as trash mainly due to their blinded fanboyism and worship of the F35 and the F22.

Russian Jets are formidable but just not what the Turkish airforce is looking.

Turkey should ask Indonesian Air Force about Russian jet performance, basically we are here conducting many dog fight simulation between Su 27/30 with F16 Block 52

 

[Ryder]

Turkey should ask Indonesian Air Force about Russian jet performance, basically we are here conducting many dog fight simulation between Su 27/30 with F16 Block 52

They also do exercises with Azerbaijani Mig29s and Su25s. I think they get the idea of it.

 

[Yasar_TR]

These kits were used in the recent war am I right?

As far as I know YES!

 

[Combat-Master]

Hurkus-B

 

[Combat-Master]

KT-1 is the first experience for South Korea in designing a plane, similar thing also for Turkey for Hurkus, so it is understandable it is quite long between the first flight and the induction.

Did the Koreans make three versions of the KT-1 in 9 years, because Turkey made three versions of the Hurkus in 8.

Hurkus-A
Civilian version with EUSA certification,
Hurkus-B
Military Turbo-Prop Trainer
Hurkus-C
COIN aircraft

We are far more active then the S.Koreans in Aviation, we should acknowledge this fact.

 

[Zafer]

Did the Koreans make three versions of the KT-1 in 9 years, because Turkey made three versions of the Hurkus in 8.

Hurkus-A
Civilian version with EUSA certification,
Hurkus-B
Military Turbo-Prop Trainer
Hurkus-C
COIN aircraft

We are far more active then the S.Koreans in Aviation, we should acknowledge this fact.

That would be EASA.

 

[Ryder]

Does Vtol have a future in the Turkish airforce??

I have been looking at Vtol aircraft like the Harrier, Yakolevs like the 38 and 141 and the F35B lately especially videos.

Quite complex and complicated tech hence why there is barely any vtol aircraft compared to conventional ones.

Really interesting but is it worth it?

 

[Zafer]

Does Vtol have a future in the Turkish airforce??

I have been looking at Vtol aircraft like the Harrier, Yakolevs like the 38 and 141 and the F35B lately especially videos.

Quite complex and complicated tech hence why there is barely any vtol aircraft compared to conventional ones.

Really interesting but is it worth it?

No, it is not worth it.
Unless we go for smaller UAVs rather than large manned planes.
A 4-5 ton VTOL UAV carrying small precision weapons will be perfect for our navy and offshore bases.

 

[BordoEnes]

During November 1991, the maiden flight of the KT-1 took place, after which the flight testing programme formally commenced.
During 2000, the first KT-1 Woongbi was handed over to the RKAF; deliveries had originally been scheduled to commence two years earlier.

It took S.Koreans 9 years from maiden flight to introduction into S.Korean AirForce

Turkey will have done it in 8 years, if what has been posted is true.

What's with the cynicism, it's Friday for gods sake!

Being a Turk and cynicism go hand to hand lol.

I heard this news and was immediatly like "why so low? whats the catch?".

 

[Turko]

statement from Russia about Su-35, Su-57 : We provide technical information Turkey, we are ready to sales calls.

Rusya'dan Su-35, Su-57 açıklaması: Türkiye'ye satmaya hazırız

Rusya, Su-35 ve Su-57 savaş uçakları konusunda Türkiye'ye teknik detayları ilettiklerini ve teklif gelmesi halinde satış görüşmesine hazır olduğunu duyurdu.

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