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What're you waiting for ? It's been so ever since Izmit...
I understand the urgency and feel the same way. If it were up to me, all those buildings would be demolished and rebuilt in paralel. But we also got to consider Turkey's construction capacity. This includes all construction companies and workers within the country. I am sure they all have their plate full with current projects, especially considering the backlog of 1.5 million buildings in Istanbul alone. The minister is not even talking about the rest of the country. On top of that, there are stubborn people that do not want to leave their buildings for various reasons. Some aren't happy with the reperations they are receiving, others cite centimental reasons and memories, while some others are just stubborn and simply do not want to leave the building they are in. Now we can critisize these people, but at the end of the day, when you are dealing with millions of people you will come across all kinds of different characters. Some of them will comply while others will resist. These problems can be overcome. Bigger problem is the availabe capacity within the construction sector.

Thinking about the construction capacity in Turkey, reminded me of some economists critisizing the Turkish economy because there was too much invested into the construction market. Which I personally never understood (or maybe I didn't quite understand what they were trying to say or otherwise missed something). I mean yeah, you want a diversified economy with focus on manufactering instead of consumption based growth. I get all that and fully agree with that. But regarding the construction market, 'kentsel donusum' (rebuilding or renovating buildings to be earthquake proof) has been going on for years now and it is clear that the major reason for the growth in investment in the construction market has been due to this coupled with infrastructure projects like roads, bridges, tunnels and railways, in which Turkey isn't fully developed in yet either. (assuming infrastructure falls under the construtcion sector as well). If we compare Germany which is a fully developed economy with Turkey (both have similar populations), we can see that Germany has more than twice the installed capacity (211 GW) for energy than Turkey (95 GW in 2020) with the goal being 120 GW by 2023. Germany has a railway network of 41.315 km, while Turkey has only 12.532 km (wikipedia). Similar picture regarding roads:
I am not saying this to critisize Turkey by the way. Just saying that we have a long way to go. But I don't want to be all bad news, and say that we are developing pretty fast imo, installed capacity was about 76 GW in 2016 for energy, which is a 26% increase in 4 years, which is not bad imo.
 

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I understand the urgency and feel the same way. If it were up to me, all those buildings would be demolished and rebuilt in paralel. But we also got to consider Turkey's construction capacity. This includes all construction companies and workers within the country. I am sure they all have their plate full with current projects, especially considering the backlog of 1.5 million buildings in Istanbul alone. The minister is not even talking about the rest of the country. On top of that, there are stubborn people that do not want to leave their buildings for various reasons. Some aren't happy with the reperations they are receiving, others cite centimental reasons and memories, while some others are just stubborn and simply do not want to leave the building they are in. Now we can critisize these people, but at the end of the day, when you are dealing with millions of people you will come across all kinds of different characters. Some of them will comply while others will resist. These problems can be overcome. Bigger problem is the availabe capacity within the construction sector.

Thinking about the construction capacity in Turkey, reminded me of some economists critisizing the Turkish economy because there was too much invested into the construction market. Which I personally never understood (or maybe I didn't quite understand what they were trying to say or otherwise missed something). I mean yeah, you want a diversified economy with focus on manufactering instead of consumption based growth. I get all that and fully agree with that. But regarding the construction market, 'kentsel donusum' (rebuilding or renovating buildings to be earthquake proof) has been going on for years now and it is clear that the major reason for the growth in investment in the construction market has been due to this coupled with infrastructure projects like roads, bridges, tunnels and railways, in which Turkey isn't fully developed in yet either. (assuming infrastructure falls under the construtcion sector as well). If we compare Germany which is a fully developed economy with Turkey (both have similar populations), we can see that Germany has more than twice the installed capacity (211 GW) for energy than Turkey (95 GW in 2020) with the goal being 120 GW by 2023. Germany has a railway network of 41.315 km, while Turkey has only 12.532 km (wikipedia). Similar picture regarding roads:
I am not saying this to critisize Turkey by the way. Just saying that we have a long way to go. But I don't want to be all bad news, and say that we are developing pretty fast imo, installed capacity was about 76 GW in 2016 for energy, which is a 26% increase in 4 years, which is not bad imo.

The greater issue with the constructions is the lack of QC, the more QC you put in that much more expensive it becomes. For instance if you use sand from the beach in the construction it will contain salt which will erode reinforcement in concrete. Add to that the environmental issues of making concrete.

Construction is such a beast that you actually don't need a diploma to work, only some need a diploma the rest is experience. Which is why EU has had influx of construction workers from all over the place. e.g. western europe gets many from eastern europe, etc. etc.

It is true that if you have too many construction projects then everything becomes more expensive. A construction project in 2008-2013 is/was much cheaper than a construction project after 2014- because the market has been more than saturated.

Which is why it's important to balance government projects to keep the market at a sustainable but also a decent price level.

AKP/RTE hasn't done so, but they were/are on a mission to renew and build infrastructure which should make life much better in Turkey. But of course that mission is executed regardless of cost-benefit analysis. (Well at least that's what I believe).

AKP/RTE allowed the building of skyscrapers in Istanbul, pretty messed ud. With proper city planning and hardcore restrictions of floors Istanbul could have become much better.

if there is a restriction on floors to let's say 5 floors, then many smaller construction firms can build. SME would blossom.
 

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The greater issue with the constructions is the lack of QC, the more QC you put in that much more expensive it becomes. For instance if you use sand from the beach in the construction it will contain salt which will erode reinforcement in concrete. Add to that the environmental issues of making concrete.

Construction is such a beast that you actually don't need a diploma to work, only some need a diploma the rest is experience. Which is why EU has had influx of construction workers from all over the place. e.g. western europe gets many from eastern europe, etc. etc.

It is true that if you have too many construction projects then everything becomes more expensive. A construction project in 2008-2013 is/was much cheaper than a construction project after 2014- because the market has been more than saturated.

Which is why it's important to balance government projects to keep the market at a sustainable but also a decent price level.

AKP/RTE hasn't done so, but they were/are on a mission to renew and build infrastructure which should make life much better in Turkey. But of course that mission is executed regardless of cost-benefit analysis. (Well at least that's what I believe).

AKP/RTE allowed the building of skyscrapers in Istanbul, pretty messed ud. With proper city planning and hardcore restrictions of floors Istanbul could have become much better.

if there is a restriction on floors to let's say 5 floors, then many smaller construction firms can build. SME would blossom.
Why is it wrong to build skyscrapers in Istanbul? Isn't it more efficient to go vertical?

If I look at Japan for example, an earthquake prone country, has loads of skyscrapers. They need efficient living due to them not having enough farmland because of mountainous terrain. Japan is in regards of agriculture bound to imports. That is why fishing is big in Japan, to make up for the lack of farmland. Japan has an overall current account surplus (cari fazla), but Japan's agriculture industry has an account deficit. If the Japanese can make skyscrapers work, then I'm sure we can do it as well.

Regarding SME's and construction industry as a whole and it's growth. I think that market is already flourising and dare I say in bubble territory because kentsel donusum has been going on for years now and looks like it will continue to do so, because of the backlog to renovate/build millions of new buildings. But once all these buildings are made earthquake proof (InshAllah), then the construction industry will find it harder to find new projects and the bubble will burst which will leave many construction companies out of business. Only the strongest businesses, i.e. the one's with a healthy balance sheet will survive. If I were at the top of a construction business, I would plan out my gameplan for such a scenario and start as soon as possible. I would already start to put some money aside each month so that when the time comes I can use it to keep my company afloat. Well, maybe putting aside money is not a good idea due to inflation, so putting it in gold and silver is a better idea. Putting it into the USD isn't a good idea either, because the FED is printing money like crazy. Crypto is also a good idea, but if it repeats its own history, you do not want to keep on holding crypty once it reaches its peak (like what happened in the end of 2017 and 2018, it lost more than 80% of it value from top to bottom).

Economy is cyclical, this is the case for the economy as a whole as well as each individual sector. A downturn is inevitable and it will happen sooner or later. Such an event will shake out the weak hands. The idea is to plan for such an event and maybe even use if to your advantage, the smartest investors in the world are always anticipating and waiting for the next big crash.
 
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Court issues small fine for those responsible for buildings destroyed in 2011 earthquake​

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Court issues small fine for those responsible for buildings destroyed in 2011 earthquake





A Turkish court has given controversial sentences to the ones responsible for a building that collapsed and killed 10 residents after a 7.1-magnitude earthquake that hit the eastern province of Van in 2011.

The court initially sentenced the owners as well as the civil engineer of the destroyed building to six years and eight months in jail for involuntary manslaughter but later turned these sentences into small judicial fines.

The defendants will be able to pay the judicial fines of 46,800 Turkish Liras ($5,300) in 24 installments, which corresponds to 1,950 liras ($223) per month.

On Oct. 23, 2011, a 7.1-magnitude earthquake rattled the eastern province of Van’s Erciş district and claimed 644 lives, including 10 residents of the destroyed Işık Apartment.

Another 5.6-magnitude earthquake struck the city less than three weeks after the previous earthquake on Nov. 9, 2011, in the same area.

As a result of the first earthquake, Işık Apartment crumbled down before its residents even had a chance to escape, while Kaya Apartment, the twin building right next to the Işık Apartment, collapsed a little later, but its residents were able to get themselves out.

The incident revealed striking details regarding earthquake and building safety.

Nazmi Alkan decided to build two buildings on the land he owned and agreed with Gültekin Çavuşoğlu, who was one of the few civil engineers in the district in the 1980s.

According to the indictment of the lawsuit filed in the Erciş Court, an application was made to obtain a license for the land where the twin buildings are located, but the municipality permitted two floors in addition to the ground floor only.

Construction started after the license, but in 1983, Alkan sold the unfinished constructions to Işık and Kaya Brothers as his financial situation did not allow him to continue the construction.

However, in 2004, a new license application was made for the completed apartments, and one more floor was added to each apartment building. As the process continued, another floor was added to Işık Apartment, which crumbled down quickly when the earthquake hit in 2011.

In the court, Işık and Kaya Brothers denied the accusations, stating that the best quality materials were used in the construction of the twin buildings.

Çavuşoğlu reminded that both buildings should normally have three floors, but a license was obtained for an additional floor in the following period.

“An illegal floor was also built in Işık Apartment. The reason for the collapse is that the building is under a load more than it can carry,” Çavuşoğlu said.

After 10 years of trial, the court sentenced the defendants to six years and eight months in prison.

However, it turned the jail time to a judicial fine due to the defendants’ personalities, their social and economic conditions and their roles in the involvement of the crime.


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Seriously if every fucktard can give permission to build and add more floors and such then we can never prevent any bad construction.

Perhaps permissions given should be scrutinized abroad for instance by a Japanese company. just to see if the internal decisions are matching true specialists decision.

Then fire the fucktard in Turkey if they're incompetent, and take away their licens to work for the public, except hard physical work asphalting roads.

I can promise you that anyone with professional background would love to be paid by Turkish government on EU salary level for delivering decent verdict on Turkish professionalism.
 

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According to Veryansin there was a construction in the groundlevel store that was intended to join two stores into one big. And they may have removed the solid wall/column carrying the weight.

 

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