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[Anmdt]

He makes a valid point on weight concerns, how far afield do we need such an UCAV to fly out from LHD? Wouldn't a 200-250km LOS communication be enough ? Difficult to know how capable TB3 will be - the VTOL pods Aselsan are developing are capable of keeping 800kg aerial vehicle aloft.

How heavy is a Sat-Com unit? can it be provisional? like used in certain instances and removed in hangar when not needed?

 

[Combat-Master]

I thought this UAV was going to be 1200kg in weight. Although we do not know whether that includes usable weight and fuel, even of it does it will be nearly twice the weight of TB2. Where did you get the 800kg weight?

Having re-read the WIPO Aselsan submitted, I believe it came from my imagination .

How heavy is a Sat-Com unit? can it be provisional? like used in certain instances and removed in hangar when not needed?

Aselsan <20kg
C2Tech <20kg

Suppose with some alterations to the flight characteristics it could be done.

 

[Test7]

TUSAS- ANKA

@BarbarosToprak2

 

[the]

How do we know this is not an April 1st joke?

Not that it’s not possible and real but there are news stories now based on this text and they don’t mention when and how the statement was made. I could not find any official statement from Selçuk Bayraktar.

“

• Who
• What
• When
• Where
• Why

Some authors add a sixth question, how, to the list.”

Five Ws - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1377983132838686722

here's video proof.

 

[dustdevil]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1377983132838686722

here's video proof.

Thank you for the proof, I’m very happy to see it live so I can believe it.

Do you have any info why the source (Azeri TV channel) was not mentioned nearly for a day?

Maybe the news sites or osint accounts did not know it was TV either, or worse they hid this information until they have the footage, to be the single source of the news by writing a simple but incomplete news statement. They can’t say “according to confidential sources” because statement was from Bayraktar this time...If they withold the news, somebody else reports it and they lose the chance to be the first source...

Either case, it’s very bad journalism which conditions public to believe anything they read or hear, and that is a national security risk...

Maybe I’m thinking too much, just tired of this “olduğu öğrenildi ama kaynak yok” type of news... I have no doubt the intent is good and I do enjoy all of those websites and wonderful news, but why stop at %70 instead of reaching %100 potential and rival sources like Jane’s at the same time giving credit to where it belongs and make news more reliable and verifiable.

 

[Anmdt]

Thank you for the proof, I’m very happy to see it live so I can believe it.

Do you have any info why the source (Azeri TV channel) was not mentioned nearly for a day?

Maybe the news sites or osint accounts did not know it was TV either, or worse they hid this information until they have the footage, to be the single source of the news by writing a simple but incomplete news statement. They can’t say “according to confidential sources” because statement was from Bayraktar this time...If they withold the news, somebody else reports it and they lose the chance to be the first source...

Either case, it’s very bad journalism which conditions public to believe anything they read or hear, and that is a national security risk...

Maybe I’m thinking too much, just tired of this “olduğu öğrenildi ama kaynak yok” type of news... I have no doubt the intent is good and I do enjoy all of those websites and wonderful news, but why stop at %70 instead of reaching %100 potential and rival sources like Jane’s at the same time giving credit to where it belongs and make news more reliable and verifiable.

So that they will look cool as if they are an insider.
Unfortunately, except some, turkish defense news, or websites try to look interesting by looking like receiving information from inside.
While they often use common sources but hid the original source so that they will be quoted.

When asked to include the original source they would say ' we have our own special contacts, we dont look at those sources '
However, the real insiders rarely share the news from inside.

 

[Hexciter]

The technology that enlightens the darknesses

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1378033506857709572

 

[Anmdt]

Turkish Navy is being Turkish Navy, we may not see TB3 until it flies unless they don't want it to be seen.
Like you can't see new things on their ships until it starts to be built or modified.

 

[Sinan]

He makes a valid point on weight concerns, how far afield do we need such an UCAV to fly out from LHD? Wouldn't a 200-250km LOS communication be enough ? Difficult to know how capable TB3 will be - the VTOL pods Aselsan are developing are capable of keeping 800kg aerial vehicle aloft.

Incase of using just LOS.
Let's say, we have 16 TB-2 on the LHD and we need to use 10 of them at the same time. Do we need 10 ground stations on LHD to control them? Or at least we need 10 receiver on LHD.

Let's say we have Satcom on TB-3.

Can TB-3s operate on Somalia? Does our satellite coverage enables this?

Anyways i checked it.

Ctech's Satcom operatos on Ku band and Ka band.

CTECH - DEV-KU-18 Mobil Uydu Haberleşme Terminali

www.ctech.com.tr

as @anmdt showed here. https://uydu.turksat.com.tr/en/satellite-coverage-ranges

Turksat 5B's KA band covers Somalia for example.

Afaik, our combined satellites (3A, 4A, 4B, 5A, 5B) cover entire Europe, Africa, Middle East, Central Asia.

 

[Test7]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1378087252358791170

 

[Era_shield]

He makes a valid point on weight concerns, how far afield do we need such an UCAV to fly out from LHD? Wouldn't a 200-250km LOS communication be enough ? Difficult to know how capable TB3 will be - the VTOL pods Aselsan are developing are capable of keeping 800kg aerial vehicle aloft.

Satcom is a small weight penalty but gives a big advantage for naval use. One of the reasons the Harrier development wasn't continued was its low combat radius (400-550km), yet that's still much bigger than LOS TB2.

Even though the TB2 (and probably TB3) are slow, imagine a fleet of them flying low below the radar horizon for 500+km using autonomous inertial navigation (over sea or over land), then when they are close enough to the target, connecting their Satcom, rising to attack altitude, doing their job, then dropping to the floor again and returning to the mother ship. It could give a powerful, long range offensive capability without even risking a single pilot's life, and it's cheap too.

 

[Turko]

Using Bayraktar is great and gives unprecedented advantage against ground and Sea targets but what about air superiority? What would do Bayraktars if enemy's air force attack on LHD and Bayraktars? That's why TCG ANADOLU urges areal air defense systems.

 

[Zafer]

Given the weight ballpark value of 1200kg a wingspan of 15m is required for the TB3 if the design features of TB2 aerodynamics are to be carried over. However considering the runway length and whether the plane must take off under its own power or to be accelerated by cable a design change to the lift capacity of the airframe can be resorted to. This can be considered along with any airspeed requirement change of the platform as the changes in aerodynamics will effect both the take off capability and the flight characteristics. Available engine power will determine all changes.

Aircraft Carrier and Amphibious Ship Programs

LOL, Hürjet is not a VTOL plane, if a VTOL plane is to be made it will be something else.

www.defencehub.live

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Using Bayraktar is great and gives unprecedented advantage against ground and Sea targets but what about air superiority? What would do Bayraktars if enemy's air force attack on LHD and Bayraktars? That's why TCG ANADOLU urges areal air defense systems.

TF-2000 will provide protection. But eventually we are going to need air-superiority fighters, whether manned or unmanned, to be carrier-deployable.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Given the weight ballpark value of 1200kg a wingspan of 15m is required for the TB3 if the design features of TB2 aerodynamics are to be carried over. However considering the runway length and whether the plane must take off under its own power or to be accelerated by cable a design change to the lift capacity of the airframe can be resorted to. This can be considered along with any airspeed requirement change of the platform as the changes in aerodynamics will effect both the take off capability and the flight characteristics. Available engine power will determine all changes.

Important point! Engine power!
Even with 15m wingspan (with only 17m available on deck, for safe operation this is cutting it close) and ski lift it would be difficult for 1200kg to be airborne. Just look at all the propeller driven Second World War carrier based planes of similar weights. They all have around 1500HP engines. OK we have come a long way since then. But basic aerodynamics have not changed.
TB3 may have shorter wingspan but bigger wing area (a delta design?) .
TB3 may need 2 x AI450 engine with 750HP power level. I can’t see it developing enough speed and lift at such short distance with PD180 unless a catapult like system is employed to achieve necessary take off speed. Remember also that the standard carriers have around 30knots in speed to help generate lift. TCG Anadolu does not go above 21 knots. So there is a deficiency in speed as the plane starts it’s run. In short it will be a difficult job to do to get 1200kg of mass off that ship.
But having said that if it weren’t within the scope, Selcuk Bayraktar would not have started to tackle it. We will wait and see !

 

[dustdevil]

Important point! Engine power!
Even with 15m wingspan (with only 17m available on deck, for safe operation this is cutting it close) and ski lift it would be difficult for 1200kg to be airborne. Just look at all the propeller driven Second World War carrier based planes of similar weights. They all have around 1500HP engines. OK we have come a long way since then. But basic aerodynamics have not changed.
TB3 may have shorter wingspan but bigger wing area (a delta design?) .
TB3 may need 2 x AI450 engine with 750HP power level. I can’t see it developing enough speed and lift at such short distance with PD180 unless a catapult like system is employed to achieve necessary take off speed. Remember also that the standard carriers have around 30knots in speed to help generate lift. TCG Anadolu does not go above 21 knots. So there is a deficiency in speed as the plane starts it’s run. In short it will be a difficult job to do to get 1200kg of mass off that ship.
But having said that if it weren’t within the scope, Selcuk Bayraktar would not have started to tackle it. We will wait and see !

I think it depends on how much ground run is needed for acceleration. I did not calculate anything othen than for TB2 200meters of run is possible with PD180 with 180hp. In TB2/Akıncı videos they usually run about 300 meters. But if PD180 can give more than 220hp+ for the takeoff run only, with some kind of constant speed propeller (if it was not employed yet on TB2) with a tractor configuration for a bigger propeller and ground clearance and better airstream over wings, maybe it could be possible with 1200 kgs+ too.

If not, probably single AI450 can do it. Dual / coaxial propellers in tractor/pusher config with two PD180 is another possibility, but it’s all speculation for now.

 

[Kartal1]

An interesting Tilt Rotor UAV design from the Mechanical Engineering Faculty of Karatay University

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1378671491387129858

 

[Zafer]

An interesting Tilt Rotor UAV design from the Mechanical Engineering Faculty of Karatay University

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1378671491387129858

I don't see why they made such a design.
It has no merit as far as eye can see.
It is a bicopter but the wings are curly and there is no shaft running from one motor to the other.
In such designs like the V-280 Valor and the Ospreys each engine can drive both proprotors and provide redundancy in case of one engine failure. But this design is unlikely to have that feature.

Totally useless. It is not like there is no precedence, they should just open their eyes and look around.

 

[Combat-Master]

An interesting Tilt Rotor UAV design from the Mechanical Engineering Faculty of Karatay University

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1378671491387129858

Looks good giving me Bell V-247 vibes, but why the need for the ducted fan at the rear ?

 

[FalconSlayersDFI]

Just asking my Turkish friends out here that how much of this pictographic is true? As one can notice no main Turkish component out here.