TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Test7]

 

[Khagan1923]

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I'm sorry is this self-made(fanmade) or did you get it from an official source?

 

[Test7]

I'm sorry is this self-made(fanmade) or did you get it from an official source?

I did.. you can use it where you want..

 

[Huelague]

What is the benefit of rectangular form of F-22 thrust vectoring nozzles?

 

[Test7]

What is the benefit of rectangular form of F-22 engine?

It's about the stealth of the rear side. Round nozzles reflect more radar echo. in the F-35, the stealth of the rear is not as good as the F22.

 

[Huelague]

It's about the stealth of the rear side. Round nozzles reflect more radar echo. in the F-35, the stealth of the rear is not as good as the F22.

Why we don’t adopt this on our TFX?

 

[Test7]

Why we don’t adopt this on our TFX?

Too expensive..

 

[Huelague]

Too expensive..

How much more expensive that we can not adopt it on our TFX?

 

[Cypro]

How much more expensive that we can not adopt it on our TFX?

Also don't forget technological and engineering challenge of this type of design, it would require more time to develop this instead of adopting already available technology. It affects radar visibility but engine itself is more important in terms of visibility (Like F35 / which is still not reliable).. I really like and prefer ej200 and thrust vectoring over this.. May be there is still possibility to go with RR to develop similar one.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Also don't forget technological and engineering challenge of this type of design, it would require more time to develop this instead of adopting already available technology. It affects radar visibility but engine itself is more important in terms of visibility (Like F35 / which is still not reliable).. I really like and prefer ej200 and thrust vectoring over this.. May be there is still possibility to go with RR to develop similar one.

EJ200 in standard form develops 13500lbf dry and 20200lbf WAB thrust.
If a TVC Is added, it will develop 16200lbf dry and 23100 WAB thrust. TVC version somehow used a lot less fuel and significantly increased the life of the engine.
Rolls Royce was offering us a standard EJ2XX version with an increased output of 17500lbf dry and 27000lbf WAB thrust. If TVC was added to this engine it would certainly be in the range we are looking for now, with all the added advantages that come together with a TVC engine.
I am still hopeful for a collaboration between RR and TFX.

 

[Khagan1923]

EJ200 in standard form develops 13500lbf dry and 20200lbf WAB thrust.
If a TVC Is added, it will develop 16200lbf dry and 23100 WAB thrust. TVC version somehow used a lot less fuel and significantly increased the life of the engine.
Rolls Royce was offering us a standard EJ2XX version with an increased output of 17500lbf dry and 27000lbf WAB thrust. If TVC was added to this engine it would certainly be in the range we are looking for now, with all the added advantages that come together with a TVC engine.
I am still hopeful for a collaboration between RR and TFX.
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I'm hopeful and expect something to be announced at IDEF'21.

RR partnership and industrial participation in Tempest would nicely cement relations with England.

Akar's visit to England wasn't for nothing. At least I hope so.

 

[Huelague]

Also don't forget technological and engineering challenge of this type of design, it would require more time to develop this instead of adopting already available technology. It affects radar visibility but engine itself is more important in terms of visibility (Like F35 / which is still not reliable).. I really like and prefer ej200 and thrust vectoring over this.. May be there is still possibility to go with RR to develop similar one.

The technology is round about 30+ years old. Of course a challenge, but not impossible. Dear lord! We want to make a 5. Generation Fighter Jet. We can have both, trust vectoring and rectangular nozzles.

 

[Test7]

The technology is round about 30+ years old. Of course a challenge, but not impossible. Dear lord! We want to make a 5. Generation Fighter Jet. We can have both, trust vectoring and rectangular nozzles.

You can read this article

Why is the F-22 the only stealth fighter to use rectangular exhaust nozzles if a rectangular nozzle is indeed most stealthy?

Answer (1 of 24): Rectangular exhaust nozzles are indeed stealthier as they offer greater control over radar reflection and lower IR signature. However, they’re much less efficient and as a result, there’s substantial loss of thrust compared to circular nozzle. So you need to design a much more ...

www.quora.com

 

[Hexciter]

1.3 billion $ was allocated for the Phase-1 study of the 5th Generation National Combat Aircraft project.
6 thousand engineers and as many technicians workin the field of MMU.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1387131944513773569

 

[Hexciter]

You can read this article

Why is the F-22 the only stealth fighter to use rectangular exhaust nozzles if a rectangular nozzle is indeed most stealthy?

Answer (1 of 24): Rectangular exhaust nozzles are indeed stealthier as they offer greater control over radar reflection and lower IR signature. However, they’re much less efficient and as a result, there’s substantial loss of thrust compared to circular nozzle. So you need to design a much more ...

www.quora.com

“the Raptor’s F119 underrated public figures”
The stones finding their places now.
The F-22’s published figures are 2x35000=70000 lbs of thrust versus 84000 lbs MTOW
Temel Kotil talks about 2x30000=60000 lbs of thrust and 60000 lbs MTOW for TFX.
Now I’m thinking that F-22 engines are actually 42000 lbs of thrust for each, not 35000.

 

[Philip the Arab]

“the Raptor’s F119 underrated public figures”
The stones finding their places now.
The F-22’s published figures are 2x35000=70000 lbs of thrust versus 84000 lbs MTOW
Temel Kotil talks about 2x30000=60000 lbs of thrust and 60000 lbs MTOW for TFX.
Now I’m thinking that F-22 engines are actually 42000 lbs of thrust for each, not 35000.

Does he mean 30000 lb thrust afterburning or dry? 30000 lb afterburning should be in the 20 or late 10s-ish thousand pound thrust range dry.


Thrust with afterburner of F-22 could be 37-39 thousand lbs range according to Air international.

 

[Hexciter]

Does he mean 30000 lb thrust afterburning or dry? 30000 lb afterburning should be in the 20 or late 10s-ish thousand pound thrust range dry.


Thrust with afterburner of F-22 could be 37-39 thousand lbs range according to Air international.

Most probably with AB values.
To reach dry T/W value of F-22, F-110’s dry value should be increased about 2000 lbs for 60000 lbs MTOW.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Most probably with AF values.
To reach dry T/W value of F-22, F-110’s dry value should be increased about 2000 lbs for 60000 lbs MTOW.

I don't think the T-FX will reach the F-22s thrust to weight values, the engines on the F-22 are some of the most advanced in the world unmatched by anyone as of now. I don't think Turkey will be able to achieve something similar but I'd like to be pleasantly surprised.

 

[Hexciter]

I don't think the T-FX will reach the F-22s thrust to weight values, the engines on the F-22 are some of the most advanced in the world unmatched by anyone as of now. I don't think Turkey will be able to achieve something similar but I'd like to be pleasantly surprised.

For a 60000 lbs MTOW, you don’t need such a high tech. That’s the point.

 

[Philip the Arab]

For a 60000 lbs MTOW, you don’t need such a high tech. That’s the point.

Well you don't need high tech engines but it sure helps a lot for a variety of reasons.

Chinese and Russians both struggle when it comes to making engines comparable to the Americans for their fifth generation fighters which directly affect the performance of their aircraft.