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[Ryder]

1258.. The Ilkhanate ended everything.

Ever since then the Arabs never able to get their former power back.

 

[Kaptaan]

Arabs

I think we need to really be aware of what we mean by "Arabs" which is a rather loose, imprecise term for various peoples, with various histories and living in various geographies who today happen to speak Arabic. There is not much similarties between a Arab speaking Amazig from Algeria, to Coptic Egyptian to a Sudani to a Assyrian Syrian, to a Phoenician Lebanese to a Mesopotamnic Iraqi, to a true Arab from the interior of Arabian peninsula. True Arabs had not much before advent of Islam.

Rise of Islam enabled Arabia for the first time in history to impose it's influence on neighbouring Mesoptamia, Assyria, Palestine, Egypt and the Magreb thus creating a arc of Arabic speakers. In other words various civilizations were subsumed into the early rise of Islam.

The true Arabs remained ignorant and backward until they found oil under the sand. Not surprsing since exactly what civilization can be nurtured on sand, a camel and a date palm?

@KKF 2.0 did you get chance to read Allama Iqbal's Reconstruction of Religious Though in Islam?

 

[Kaptaan]

The true Arabs remained ignorant and backward until they found oil under the sand. Not surprsing since exactly what civilization can be nurtured on sand, a camel and a date palm?

The tragedy for Pakistan was that with discovery of oil in Arabian peninsula it enabled the most backward of Arabs as opposed to Levantine Arabs, Magreb or Egypt to gain influence via petro-dollars which arrested Pakistani society for at least three generations. Pakistan is unique in that it as a society has regressed since 1960s. The rise of mullah power and the ignorant masses underneath was fininaced by and inspired by Oily Arabs.

The destruction this wrought on Pakistan is untold. At home it crippled progress and social evolution. Abroad it destroyed Pakistan's image with Bin Laden [who is not even a Pakistani but a Saudi] becoming Pakistan's placard.

 

[KKF 2.0]

@KKF 2.0 did you get chance to read Allama Iqbal's Reconstruction of Religious Though in Islam?

I haven't read it yet, unfortunately. But I'm familiar with his thoughts and his changing opinion on Atatürk's reforms. I wish more people would be aware of his reappraisal and what he later said about Turkey's secular constitution after the fall of the caliphate.

 

[Kaptaan]

Growing Turkish soft power in Pakistan. Ertrugul's Dogan Alp opening a housing development in Islamabad called "Blue World City" which will have a copy of Istanbul's Blue Mosque in the centre. He makes the comment about why all the men around him are tall. What he does not know is that Pakistan is unique in having seen it's average height reduce contrary to rest of the world. Pakistan had aongst the tallest people once. Today thanks to inbreeding and poor diet average height has dropped. Sad. @Yankeestani @Nilgiri

 

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@T-123456 @Kaptaan

 

[Zafer]

Ammocalypse or what.

I want to start a small army, what do you have for me?

 

[bsruzm]

The tragedy for Pakistan was that with discovery of oil in Arabian peninsula it enabled the most backward of Arabs as opposed to Levantine Arabs, Magreb or Egypt to gain influence via petro-dollars which arrested Pakistani society for at least three generations. Pakistan is unique in that it as a society has regressed since 1960s. The rise of mullah power and the ignorant masses underneath was fininaced by and inspired by Oily Arabs.

The destruction this wrought on Pakistan is untold. At home it crippled progress and social evolution. Abroad it destroyed Pakistan's image with Bin Laden [who is not even a Pakistani but a Saudi] becoming Pakistan's placard.

I enjoyed reading your educational thread regarding people before and after oil on another platform

 

[Ryder]

I think we need to really be aware of what we mean by "Arabs" which is a rather loose, imprecise term for various peoples, with various histories and living in various geographies who today happen to speak Arabic. There is not much similarties between a Arab speaking Amazig from Algeria, to Coptic Egyptian to a Sudani to a Assyrian Syrian, to a Phoenician Lebanese to a Mesopotamnic Iraqi, to a true Arab from the interior of Arabian peninsula. True Arabs had not much before advent of Islam.

Rise of Islam enabled Arabia for the first time in history to impose it's influence on neighbouring Mesoptamia, Assyria, Palestine, Egypt and the Magreb thus creating a arc of Arabic speakers. In other words various civilizations were subsumed into the early rise of Islam.

The true Arabs remained ignorant and backward until they found oil under the sand. Not surprsing since exactly what civilization can be nurtured on sand, a camel and a date palm?

@KKF 2.0 did you get chance to read Allama Iqbal's Reconstruction of Religious Though in Islam?

Seriously Yemen and Oman were able to build themselves a civilisation. Not to mention Oman build themselves an trade empire that challenged British and Portuguese Colonialism. Oman is also peaceful and keeps to itself neither they follow that Sunni vs Shia bs.

That deserves respect also Yemen has one of the oldest civilisations also where Arabs come from which Saudis hate to even mention.

Cant say anything positive about Saudis and Emiratis. Islam helped with the Arabs settle in various places they conquered in other words they mixed with the locals overtime became different from the Arabs from the Gulf. Hence why Arabs from Morocco to Bahrain are all different from each other.

 

[Kaptaan]

That deserves respect also Yemen has one of the oldest civilisations also where Arabs come from which Saudis hate to even mention.

True but do note they are not Sand and Oil. The south western tip of the peninisula is mountains and has rivers.

Islam helped with the Arabs settling in various places they conquered in other words they mixd with the locals overtime became different from the Arabs from the Gulf. Hence why Arabs from Morocco to Bahrain are all different from each other.

Very true. What me must keep in mind is that true Arabs were on the arse end of history. Always peripheral. Nobody bothered with them and even did not even bother conquering them. Nothing is not worth conquering. If you look at even the Ottoman Empire it merely secured the holy cities and then had a route along Red Sea coast or Hijaz. The crucible of Ibn Sauds was nothing.

Islam as it rose quickly cross fertilized with the other host civilizations. Thus very quickly fulcrum moved away from Arabia and ended on the Fertile Crescent where it subsumed higher civilizations like Mesopotamic, Assyrian etc and we can see how Baghdad, Damascus became the centres of Islam. Egypt which never was a Arab civilization also went through same process of Arab colonization. To be fair respect has to given to the first wave out of the desert which managed to conquer and then colonize what were historically higher civilizations like Persians, Mesoptamians, Assyrians, Egytians, Greek colonies in Cyrenica [Libya] and even the Amizag people who had history going back to Hannibal of Carthage.

I enjoyed reading your educational thread regarding people before and after oil on another platform

Yes, I got to admit I was surprised. They were semi-beasts before oil. What a tragedy they got the oil. I despise them for reasons I will touch on some other time.

 

[Ryder]

True but do note they are not Sand and Oil. The south western tip of the peninisula is mountains and has rivers.

Very true. What me must keep in mind is that true Arabs were on the arse end of history. Always peripheral. Nobody bothered with them and even did not even bother conquering them. Nothing is not worth conquering. If you look at even the Ottoman Empire it merely secured the holy cities and then had a route along Red Sea coast or Hijaz. The crucible of Ibn Sauds was nothing.

Islam as it rose quickly cross fertilized with the other host civilizations. Thus very quickly fulcrum moved away from Arabia and ended on the Fertile Crescent where it subsumed higher civilizations like Mesopotamic, Assyrian etc and we can see how Baghdad, Damascus became the centres of Islam. Egypt which never was a Arab civilization also went through same process of Arab colonization. To be fair respect has to given to the first wave out of the desert which managed to conquer and then colonize what were historically higher civilizations like Persians, Mesoptamians, Assyrians, Egytians, Greek colonies in Cyrenica [Libya] and even the Amizag people who had history going back to Hannibal of Carthage.

Yes, I got to admit I was surprised. They were semi-beasts before oil. What a tragedy they got the oil. I despise them for reasons I will touch on some other time.

Various Arab Caliphates moved their capitals away from Arabia. Rashiduns capital was Madinah before they moved into Iraq. Ummayads moved into Syria while the Abbassids moved into Iraq and made Baghdad their capital while the Remanants of Ummayads made their capital in Al Andalus.

More to do with strategic play as the Arabian peninsula was too far it was also not fertile enough to build a capital to house an empire.

A lot of Gulf Arabs like Saudis and Emiratis cant admit that a lot of Arabs moved out of the Arabian peninsula to settle in Iraq and Syria along with parts of North Africa. In other words Arabian peninsula apart from the holy cities of Makkah, Madinah, Yemen and Oman has become a backwater and has been for centuries until oil put them back on the map.

 

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My first actual haircut in several months post COVID-19 I don’t know if it fits my style and the Russian barber I usually go is closed due to Covid so this Punjabi dude did it honestly not a fan no 1 I hate the Punjabi Bhangra rap n..gerdom music videos playing in the background other good news I just found out my local gym reopened a few days back need to get my lard ass back in shape

 

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Bulent Ecevit was a quite underrated Politician from his country seems outside of his country he is been forgotten abroad apparently he was in charge in the operations in Cyprus in 1974 and was quite left-wing in some of his views and had a good idea of South Asian culture and geopolitics

 

[Kaptaan]

@Yankeestani today was 30th anniversary of my marriage. I don't do this often but will make a exception here. Please don't make copy of it. My wife and daughter ~ actually I have twins. This is one half. Because they are genetic twins they look the same. Exactly. It might come as surprise to you guys but my wife is very religious.

 

[Kartal1]

@Yankeestani today was 30th anniversary of my marriage. I don't do this often but will make a exception here. Please don't make copy of it. my wife and daughter.

God bless you and your family.

 

[TR_123456]

@Yankeestani today was 30th anniversary of my marriage. I don't do this often but will make a exception here. Please don't make copy of it. My wife and daughter ~ actually I have twins. This is one half. Because they are genetic twins they loo the same. Exactly.

Congratulations.