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[Kaptaan]

The thing is Pakistans nationalism can be developed due to history, culture and religion.

It can be formed if the narrative is anchored in the geography and history of the people who live there. This is what France, Germany, Turkey did. If France had gone for "Christianity" then today every Christian would have been a putative French.

95% of Pakistani's belong to broadly five ethnic groups [something analogous to UK with it's four nations with their flags meshed to form the Union Jack] who live in the five regions of Pakistan.

These peoples have evolved around the Indus River over 8,000 years going back to the ancient Indus Valley civilizations. Pakistan is just a modern label for a very ancient land. This all makes for a very distinct and unique national project. No doubt Islam had a had impact like it has on so many other peoples. The mistake Pakistani el;ites made was just emphasise Islam and ignore or even discourage our own ethnic histories.

 

[Kaptaan]

For the Turks who may not be aware the name "PAKSTAN" is a acroym of the five provinces/peoples straddled along the Indus River Basin. It was coined by Rehmat Ali in 1930.

 

[Kaptaan]

Is there a faultline in Pakistan? Yes there is. And it runs north south along the spine of the country. West of Indus River is populated mostly by Iranic speakers [related to Iranians and Kurds] and Indo Aryans on the east related to Indian populations like Sikhs etc. But then every country has this. Does Turkey not have Kurdish majority on the east, does Iran not have Turkic majority in north west Azerbaijan? Dtto Iraq etc.

 

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Good Ole Days

 

[Ghost soldier]

The moment when members from pdf are trying to have a private discussion

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

@Nein2.0 @mrmoo

I hope there are no more stupid protests in Victoria. I seriously can't believe these people, freaking idiots

But I reckon if our first lockdown was extended by a few more weeks we wouldn't have had this second wave.

 

[Ryder]

@Nein2.0 @mrmoo

I hope there are no more stupid protests in Victoria. I seriously can't believe these people, freaking idiots

But I reckon if our first lockdown was extended by a few more weeks we wouldn't have had this second wave.

Aussie cops are too soft at least in Turkey if they pulled such a thing off Turkish cops would beat their asses.

People doing mass gatherings or protests are really screwing it up. Its so fustrating man.

 

[Ryder]

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I prefer the F117 Nighthawk. Serbs got lucky.

 

[bsruzm]

"He that flees and runs away might live to see another day."

or

"He who fights and runs away may live to fight another day."

This French proverb sums it up

@Vergennes

As you have seen on my signature before, that is my favorite:

"Do not think that one enemy is insignificant, or that a thousand friends are too many."

 

[Nilgiri]

@Joe Shearer you must have come across this fellow before:

J. B. S. Haldane - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Was wondering if you have anything to share about him?

 

[Saithan]

Almanya'da ilk kez bir Türk ülkenin en zenginleri listesine girdi

Koronavirüs aşısı geliştiren BİonTech'in CEO'su ve kurucu ortağı Prof. Dr. Uğur Şahin, Almanya'nın en zenginleri listesinde 93'üncü sırada yer aldı. Dün açıklanan "En Zengin Almanlar" listesinde ilk sırada 41,8 milyar avroluk servesüpermarket zincirleri Lidl ve Kaufland'ın kurucusu 80 yaşındaki...

www.indyturk.com

So this guy with turkish roots has entered the list of billionaires in Germany... no. 93.

His firm has developed Covid-19 vaccine and they're working with Pfizer...

 

[TR_123456]

Almanya'da ilk kez bir Türk ülkenin en zenginleri listesine girdi

Koronavirüs aşısı geliştiren BİonTech'in CEO'su ve kurucu ortağı Prof. Dr. Uğur Şahin, Almanya'nın en zenginleri listesinde 93'üncü sırada yer aldı. Dün açıklanan "En Zengin Almanlar" listesinde ilk sırada 41,8 milyar avroluk servesüpermarket zincirleri Lidl ve Kaufland'ın kurucusu 80 yaşındaki...

www.indyturk.com

So this guy with turkish roots has entered the list of billionaires in Germany... no. 93.

His firm has developed Covid-19 vaccine and they're working with Pfizer...

We need more people like him.

 

[Saithan]

We need more people like him.

Definitely. And let's not forget that He and his wife reached out to Turkey, and we're participating in the vaccine tests. I think it was 1000 ppl from Turkey. That's Patriotism.

I also think that if the turkish owned medicine production firms are good and decent ppl. We'll have vaccine production in Turkey as well.

This is why it's important for the government to open the way for entrepreneurs and treat them fairly.

 

[Nilgiri]

Definitely. And let's not forget that He and his wife reached out to Turkey, and we're participating in the vaccine tests. I think it was 1000 ppl from Turkey. That's Patriotism.

I also think that if the turkish owned medicine production firms are good and decent ppl. We'll have vaccine production in Turkey as well.

This is why it's important for the government to open the way for entrepreneurs and treat them fairly.

Yup well meaning diaspora are a great network to have. India benefits from this feature too.

 

[KKF 2.0]

Guys, it's been annoying me but Hakikat at PDF. Is he Turkish?

@KKF 2.0 @T-123456 etc

No, he's a Pakistani from America, born and raised in the US and very well-read in Turkish history, though, our conclusions from the past are differing categorically.

 

[KKF 2.0]

You know Allama Iqbal initially was sceptical about the Turkish Republic and the reforms launched by Kemal Ataturk but very soon seemed to take positive outlook on this 'experiment'. He says in his "Reconstruction of Religious Thought in Islam" [I would highly recommend you read it] that the Turkish Assembly might end up evolving a Islamic society that is shorn of Arab medieval practices and thus release the potential of the Turkish nation to make progress. I suppose he was right. I can't think of any Muslim country today as successful as yours.

The Reconstruction of Religious Thought in Islam

@Nein2.0

Futurism is an Italian movement, an expression of love for everything that is modern, fast, technologically advanced, new, evolved, high tech etc.

Traditional Islamists on the other hand say that Islam itself is "modern, fast and pro-technology". The term "Futurism" is non-existing in the mindset of many Islamic movements due to the fact that Futurism is simply describing "Allah's order to Muslim".

It's basically 'incorporated' in Islam and they refuse to use Western concepts to express the Islamic order.

However, this is only valid for the TURKO-PERSIAN SPHERE, which consits of three main states: Turkey, Iran, Pakistan.

Arabic Islamists think very differently at this point as shown by ISIS.

This Islamic motivated love for advancement, progress and growth is the reason why 2 out of 3 (Pakistan and Iran) are able to build Atomic bombs while Turkey's former leading Islamist figure, Erbakan, worked on the German Leopard tank. The real rift is between Turko-Persians and Arabs, not between Sunnis and Shias.

 

[Ryder]

@Nein2.0

Futurism is an Italian movement, an expression of love for everything that is modern, fast, technologically advanced, new, evolved, high tech etc.

Traditional Islamists on the other hand say that Islam itself is "modern, fast and pro-technology". The term "Futurism" is non-existing in the mindset of many Islamic movements due to the fact that Futurism is simply describing "Allah's order to Muslim".

It's basically 'incorporated' in Islam and they refuse to use Western concepts to express the Islamic order.

However, this is only valid for the TURKO-PERSIAN SPHERE, which consits of three main states: Turkey, Iran, Pakistan.

Arabic Islamists think very differently at this point as shown by ISIS.

This Islamic motivated love for advancement, progress and growth is the reason why 2 out of 3 (Pakistan and Iran) are able to build Atomic bombs while Turkey's former leading Islamist figure, Erbakan, worked on the German Leopard tank. The real rift is between Turko-Persians and Arabs, not between Sunnis and Shias.

Arabs like the Ummayads and the Abbassids had science also focused on science.

What went wrong?

 

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Arabs like the Ummayads and the Abbassids had science also focused on science.

What went wrong?

1258.. The Ilkhanate ended everything.