Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

[Madokafc]

 

[NEKO]

Mark VI ?

Its not a real boat used by military, only for movie. It have two retractable gating gun on both side, its not mounted on turret so it can only shot forward. The crews sit side by side. Tank boat bridge reminds of of that movie, though I only remember it vividly, maybe you know?

And somehow I also remember this scene, USNAVY ww2 era boat I think or cold war, maybe a torpedo boat, it have a mast and on top of it (crow's nest) they put a gunner on it, don't know if its from the same movie or not. If I am not wrong I also found it on wikipedia when browsing stuf, it Px something something.

By the way, they should definitely install some made in Indonesia RCWS on front side of the each hull, doesn't need to be stabilized or complicated just simple RCWS to be operated from the bridge. That will be great for the fire support on the the shore.

The main turret still not enough?

 

[Anmdt]

The main turret still not enough?

Having simultaneous protection on both sides on the beach is vital, probably they plan to use crew positions on the rear deck with machine guns, but i am always in favor of RCWS + manned machine gun redundancy, either or both can be used when needed.

 

[NEKO]

Having simultaneous protection on both sides on the beach is vital, probably they plan to use crew positions on the rear deck with machine guns, but i am always in favor of RCWS + manned machine gun redundancy, either or both can be used when needed.

What do you think about design improvement that can be done from the current design?

I am thinking rather than using both hulls to carry troops then climbing to the front and disembark from a ramp, maybe make the front of both hull like the rear of APC.

Less disembark time and less exposed, but more materials at the bow and more troops close to the bow, the buoyancy will be insufficient thus need bulbous bow, wider and bit flat so the boat can get close to the shores and the boat can still a bit flying/move close to the surface when moving fast (not sure if its technically possible i am not an expert about hull and bow).

 

[Anmdt]

I am thinking rather than using both hulls to carry troops then climbing to the front and disembark from a ramp, maybe make the front of both hull like the rear of APC.

You mean something like CB90, KMC Komando, Taiwanese MPAC i think.

They can make exits on each hull either towards inner or outer side. Inner side sounds more secure to me, and they can lower portion of the front deck as a ramp to further allow the teams disembark.

Something like this:

I think they will update the design as it is used by Army and feedback is given.

 

[NEKO]

You mean something like CB90, KMC Komando, Taiwanese MPAC i think.

They can make exits on each hull either towards inner or outer side. Inner side sounds more secure to me, and they can lower portion of the front deck as a ramp to further allow the teams disembark.

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Something like this:
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I think they will update the design as it is used by Army and feedback is given.

That's even better suggestion than mine.

 

[Anmdt]

That's even better suggestion than mine.

It was a quick one,
I am sure there will be some other troubles for opening a hatch on the side, making it watertight and keeping hull integrity. But i am sure they can solve those matters if it comes down to that.

 

[NEKO]

It was a quick one,
I am sure there will be some other troubles for opening a hatch on the side, making it watertight and keeping hull integrity. But i am sure they can solve those matters if it comes down to that.

Just exit from the front.

 

[R4duga]

 

[Van Kravchenko]

Just exit from the front.

I wonder if they employed that boat in such Landing on Normandy event play as US army soldier that disembak from LCU

Me as German machinegunner : get ready guys, target practice start.

 

[NEKO]

I wonder if they employed that boat in such Landing on Normandy event play as US army soldier that disembak from LCU

Me as German machinegunner : get ready guys, target practice start.

It have smoke grenade, it will help even a little.

 

[Van Kravchenko]

It have smoke grenade, it will help even a little.

Perhaps the most possible ways to do disembarkation without changing much layout and shape of Antasena is moving disembark mechanism to the back of vehicle (despite am still love if its has CB90-like disembark mechanism), other than that if they insisted to carry RHIB , which last footage has shown it then they should make the stern more slope.

Imho, since Ludin is swedish they should install RBS 90

 

[R4duga]

Perhaps the most possible ways to do disembarkation without changing much layout and shape of Antasena is moving disembark mechanism to the back of vehicle (despite am still love if its has CB90-like disembark mechanism), other than that if they insisted to carry RHIB , which last footage has shown it then they should make the stern more slope.

Imho, since Ludin is swedish they should install RBS 90

so the soldier will be disembark from the deeper part of the water ?

 

[schuimpjes]

Your Vice Chief of BSSN. I Just knew, he is a staunch conspiracy theorist. If he is live in US, surely he will be the friend of Michael Flynn and pledging allegiance to Q (WWG1WGA).

I dig more about this guy and I knew he was actually ever had a thought to retire early from Police because he didn't like something. Better he retire early than becoming a disgusting conspiracy theorist like that on the upper hierarchy of the police.

 

[Madokafc]

US cadets had nice uniform, look classical but neat and had modern touch at the same time. I believe there is many ranks and files in the Napoleonic era willing to serve with such nice looking uniform

 

[Van Kravchenko]

so the soldier will be disembark from the deeper part of the water ?

Not so great idea, further more the presence of boat propeller could seriously injure the troops.

Well then, the olny options available is stay with this design, or move forward to redesign the boat to have ashore troops deployment

 

[R4duga]

Not so great idea, further more the presence of boat propeller could seriously injure the troops.

Well then, the olny options available is stay with this design, or move forward to redesign the boat to have ashore troops deployment

propeller not really a concern in this case (since the boat using waterjet with enclosed nozzle anyway) , was once thinking like anmdt said , but too much moving part on that section could become a 2 sided blade and if somethings wrong happened (door or ramp on the inner bow hull can't be closed) it can risk the hull to get flooded , perhaps why not all the frontal section between two hull can be lowered down and then extended at a comfortable angle , atleast make the disembarkation process more convenience for the soldier .

compared to this one , that are to steep and risking some soldier slipped and plunge into the shore .

 

[R4duga]

US cadets had nice uniform, look classical but neat and had modern touch at the same time. I believe there is many ranks and files in the Napoleonic era willing to serve with such nice looking uniform

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and there are philippines with their star wars rain coat

 

[Van Kravchenko]

compared to this one , that are to steep and risking some soldier slipped and plunge into the shore .

IMHO, if we look closerly to disembark platform of Antasena am agree with you, this design can make troops sliped down, its too steep to descend from. Furthermore i doubt its hull was design to ashore (kandas), if its capaple to do ashoring manouver then stability of the ship is less to be concerned.

If the shipbuilder and the user want a more efficient and safety design for troops disembark, they should modivied the front section, and perhaps try to modified it more less like CB 90/KMC dismbarkation ram-door,
Make the lower section as a ramp, and upper section has clampshell like hatch. I thinki its doesnt much affect the survivability of the boat since the middle part isn't directly have contact with the body of water.

Dunno man, im not try to jugde someone crativity, but if there a dire need for troop carrier, then they should make it better for the user, not to harm the user.

 

[NEKO]

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