Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Umigami]

Not ASuW?

Maestrale class is ASuW, but yeah I think we need more.

 

[Panca]

Rame Fremm, don't forget frankenthal, BRS and PC40 yang biasanya tiba tiba makbedunduk dah jadi.

 

[Ravager]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1402913388808880132

Well , babcock aren't really at the loss as yet tho' . Iver programme are still going in strong with PAL involvement .

Maestrale class is ASuW, but yeah I think we need more.

The final configuration hasn't been released as yet . So , don't count any chicken as yet ....
And soon " bantingan " will be going in strong !!

 

[Mandala]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1402988843033239562

 

[Isa Khan]

Fincantieri | FINCANTIERI WILL PROVIDE 8 VESSELS TO INDONESIA

www.fincantieri.com

6 FREMM + 2 Maestrale

It seem like this the other contract beside rafale that Alman mention yesterday

8 frigates and 36 Rafale!! Damn!! Indonesia is on . So, can we expect a transfer of technology? Will PT-PAL build half of these cause that's what the press release is indicating.

 

[Panca]

8 frigates and 36 Rafale!! Damn!! Indonesia is on . So, can we expect a transfer of technology? Will PT-PAL build half of these cause that's what the press release is indicating.

PAL focus Iver

 

[Parry Brima]

Common sense,
Japanese frigates are multi-purpose, so does the FREMM (assuming the deal was for General Purpose Frigate)
Meanwhile Iver Huitfeldt was meant to be AAW Frigate (If i am not mistaken), so makes it down to either Japanese or Italians, and looks like Italians have won.
So either;
Italians have sold AAW Frigate and Iver Huitfeldt is going to be General purpose, or
Italians have sold General purpose frigate and Iver Huitfeldt is going to be AAW Frigate.

The leaked wishlist from Rapim TNI clearly stated that the Navy wants 16 140m frigates. So we'll have 6 FREMM + 2 Iver after this Fincantieri announcement. We still have 8 empty slots which actually fits the Mogami news (8 frigates).

 

[Panca]

 

[Gary]

Indonesian surface combatants fleet 2025 upwards:

6x FREMM DDG
2x Iver DDG
2x Maestrale FFG
2x Martadinata FFG
3x Bung Tomo (light)FFG
4x Diponegoro (light)FFG
3x Fatahillah OPV
14x Parchim corvette
12x FPB-57
8x FAC-60
2x FAC-40
3x Mandau class FAC (could be retired gradually).


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should be better if they decide to add the 8x planned Mogami (30FFM) like many still suggest.

 

[Anmdt]

The leaked wishlist from Rapim TNI clearly stated that the Navy wants 16 140m frigates. So we'll have 6 FREMM + 2 Iver after this Fincantieri announcement. We still have 8 empty slots which actually fits the Mogami news (8 frigates).

People tends to forget Iver Huitfeldt deal.

Indonesian surface combatants fleet 2025 upwards:

6x FREMM DDG
2x Iver DDG
2x Maestrale FFG
2x Martadinata FFG
3x Bung Tomo (light)FFG
4x Diponegoro (light)FFG
3x Fatahillah OPV
14x Parchim corvette
12x FPB-57
8x FAC-60
2x FAC-40
3x Mandau class FAC (could be retired gradually).


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should be better if they decide to add the 8x planned Mogami (30FFM) like many still suggest.

The above message applies, why iver-huitfeldt should remain at 2?
Think broader mate, if there is sufficient knowledge to build it locally, why buy from abroad? First two will be jointly produced and latter 6 can be re-designed, equipped according to the taste (either ASW, MP or AAW)
The need to buy from abroad arisen due to the urgent needs.

 

[frashis79]

Italy already decomissioned 4 Maestrale Class, why don't we take 4 of it, and just take 2?

 

[Panca]

Indonesian surface combatants fleet 2025 upwards:

6x FREMM DDG
2x Iver DDG
2x Maestrale FFG
2x Martadinata FFG
3x Bung Tomo (light)FFG
4x Diponegoro (light)FFG
3x Fatahillah OPV
14x Parchim corvette
12x FPB-57
8x FAC-60
2x FAC-40
3x Mandau class FAC (could be retired gradually).


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should be better if they decide to add the 8x planned Mogami (30FFM) like many still suggest.

KCR40 is not there 8 units?

KRI Clurit (641)
KRI Kujang (642)
KRI Beladau (643)
KRI Alamang (644)
KRI Surik (645)
KRI Siwar (646)
KRI Parang (647)
KRI Terapang (648)

 

[Gary]

KCR40 is not there 8 units?

KRI Clurit (641)
KRI Kujang (642)
KRI Beladau (643)
KRI Alamang (644)
KRI Surik (645)
KRI Siwar (646)
KRI Parang (647)
KRI Terapang (648)

and how many are properly armed and equipped ??


until they're turned into proper FAC, they're still a patrol craft, some even only had 20mm cannons.

I don't think they cud be classified as surface combatants.

 

[Gary]

People tends to forget Iver Huitfeldt deal.


The above message applies, why iver-huitfeldt should remain at 2?
Think broader mate, if there is sufficient knowledge to build it locally, why buy from abroad? First two will be jointly produced and latter 6 can be re-designed, equipped according to the taste (either ASW, MP or AAW)
The need to buy from abroad arisen due to the urgent needs.

could be, another requirement for another 6 or more hulls could be satisfied with the Iver's and even more so if it's locally build.

 

[Ravager]

Indonesian surface combatants fleet 2025 upwards:

6x FREMM DDG
2x Iver DDG
2x Maestrale FFG
2x Martadinata FFG
3x Bung Tomo (light)FFG
4x Diponegoro (light)FFG
3x Fatahillah OPV
14x Parchim corvette
12x FPB-57
8x FAC-60
2x FAC-40
3x Mandau class FAC (could be retired gradually).


==========

should be better if they decide to add the 8x planned Mogami (30FFM) like many still suggest.

People tends to forget Iver Huitfeldt deal.


The above message applies, why iver-huitfeldt should remain at 2?
Think broader mate, if there is sufficient knowledge to build it locally, why buy from abroad? First two will be jointly produced and latter 6 can be re-designed, equipped according to the taste (either ASW, MP or AAW)
The need to buy from abroad arisen due to the urgent needs.

could be, another requirement for another 6 or more hulls could be satisfied with the Iver's and even more so if it's locally build.

My only hope is the Iver program could run more smoothly and on budget so we could gradually upgraded and upscaled the Iver class in batches .
Bigger and stronger variant that Could be tailored more suited to our specific need and discretion .
Who knows .... Perhaps in the future all the sensor , engine and armament could be sourced from a JV of our respective national defence companies . Far too long we've been beholden by other's whims and machination at the expense of our own interest , profit and sovereignity .

 

[Van Kravchenko]

Naaah ..... If it wasn't for 08 . There is litle chance fremm get noticed by indonesian public at all . Add that with our dissapointment at Damen side as an impetus for finding a new suplier or else It was the Omega class that would bag this contract .
Somehow i'm still imagining about some one at Damen office banging his head on his office table after reading this ... Today . While most of the problem were trully coming from our side they really shooting themselves at foot with their latest charade ... Boy , we are surely can hold a grudges there .....

so, Is it as AH leaked the days before today just co incidence?

 

[Madokafc]

Indonesian surface combatants fleet 2025 upwards:

6x FREMM DDG
2x Iver DDG
2x Maestrale FFG
2x Martadinata FFG
3x Bung Tomo (light)FFG
4x Diponegoro (light)FFG
3x Fatahillah OPV
14x Parchim corvette
12x FPB-57
8x FAC-60
2x FAC-40
3x Mandau class FAC (could be retired gradually).


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should be better if they decide to add the 8x planned Mogami (30FFM) like many still suggest.

Still need more high end hull to build proper three fleets command unit (Indonesian Navy had three Fleets, in which the third fleet is only skeleton unit without any meaningful assets). That's why they need at least 18 larger surface combatant warships to properly build up 3 fleets according to 2-2-2 rules (two in active service, two in maintenance routine or stand by and two in heavy maintenance). Meanwhile according the plan they would be supplement by several smaller Frigates/Corvettes/OPV (most would be as replacement of Parchim class) but the plan is delayed further as they put priority toward the Heavy vessels first. The other delayed plan is utility helicopters, ASW helicopters and ASW Aircraft for the Navy. As the Navy is intended to build the surface combatant warships fleets and the silent service first as it was the most time consuming ones to be built and train the crew.

 

[Nutuk]

How much is the worth of the deal?

How much does Indonesia pay????

 

[this is crunch]

should be better if they decide to add the 8x planned Mogami (30FFM) like many still suggest.

well yap i would love to see that gundam style CIC of Mogami Class, thus if they really acquired near this time, the shipbuilding progress will be on parallel without interrupting one and another

 

[Madokafc]

How much is the worth of the deal?

How much does Indonesia pay????

My friend said it more than four Billion US Dollar as it is actually almost a complete package included weaponry and ILS for years, for the exact number of total cost i can't said as it is quite sensitive issue politically in my country right now.