Phillipines F16v DSCA notice.
Offered between 12 to 24 used fighter for them (number depend on negotiation) if they taking our proposal. That's with almost complete package to build MRO depo in Philippines soil and training of the crew.
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Phillipines F16v DSCA notice.
From the way I see it, he's got a point though.
The "pool base technology" and "infrastructure readiness" which often brought up as reasons why we can't have F-35s can't really hold when we consider that the air force of most nations - including us - are among the most tech-savvy service in the military. Furthermore, when it comes to infrastructure readiness, it's not something that can't be prepared within a reasonable amount of time while waiting for the first delivery to arrive.
The "technological gap" thing is just another way of saying that, politically, we're just not trustworthy enough.
Just my 0.2 kepeng, anyway.
Offered between 12 to 24 used fighter for them (number depend on negotiation) if they taking our proposal. That's with almost complete package to build MRO depo in Philippines soil and training of the crew.
Next time they will say that Viper can prove not only that the earth is flat, but also triangle and trapezium at the same time.
And those of billion of $ comes from a loan were the foundation of a strength in your book ??
If those billion of $ loans were spent of goods produced and created by our own companies or facilities or investing in house to transfom our fledgling state defence sectors so we could somehow alleviate our own economic hardship and furthering our own manufacturing industrial level . i can somehow swallow it . But where most of it were spend on IP right licensing fee without a decent manufacturing outlet for it's usaging in it's production or bought whole from aboard and yet you were bragging because of it ...
Where do you think we should produce those if we ever received the licensing right ?? PT. DI ?? Yeah right ...
And yet somehow you were so confident we could somehow dictate the US to cater our whim when we couldn't even manage our own " bengkel perakitan dan reparasi " to barely a float on it's own .... It's just soo beyond me ...
You got problem Boyz, just be honest what are you trying to do here?
If LM with some miracle win over Dassault, I just hope we can get SCALP equivalent from US, and permission to integrate turkish missile just like @Philips suggesting.
If LM with some miracle win over Dassault, I just hope we can get SCALP equivalent from US, and permission to integrate turkish missile just like @Philips suggesting.
The US will definitely block such scenario . The last thing US would ever wish is another rising power drifting away from their sphere . Not to mention the Indonesia and Turkey was a natural born ally even with all both of their current reluctance , economic disparity and political baggages . ( Well , you could somehow add the pakistan in the mix but with their close allignment with china ... Everybody shied away from them ) .
We still could do it ...but more in discreet and gradual manner . Open up a Turkish office branch can pave a much much more leeway and opportunities when the time is ripe .
And @Madokafc .... I really loves to be proven wrong regarding the Scalp's equivalent .
From all the points I mentioned in #2962, the first one is the least likely to succeed. As a replacement for this I would indeed go for the Rafale for the best platform+missile capability Indonesian money can buy. The US won't give Indonesia anything close to the Scalp. Forget about the F-15. It will only tie Indonesia more to the whims of the US. Get some transports and perhaps utility helicopters to keep the US satisfied and involved in the SCS, but no new US fighters.
It's good to know that Rafale is coming. As much as I hate the fact that it will create a logistical & maintenance nightmare, the experience we will gain from operating 4.5G fighter will be more than worthed.French Dassault Rafale is quite comfy, they just waiting for final steps of the contract to be realized. The SCALP Missiles would be part of it just like Egypt and India ordered.
Unfortunately, I don't see them around here (in Indonesia threads) lately. What I do notice lately is either those few whose "mabuk agama", or those whose basing their viewpoint from whatever Indon medias was tell them.To balance the forum from Lockheed Martin sales and pawns attack
Offered between 12 to 24 used fighter for them (number depend on negotiation) if they taking our proposal. That's with almost complete package to build MRO depo in Philippines soil and training of the crew.
It was been said before and i'll said it again ... There could be only 1 item from US . Either F 16 or F 15 but never both . That's alone allready send our message across the pond very clearly .
Well, let's face it, there is a clear need for interceptor squadron (ska-14). And Viper doesn't qualify to fill in that role, only Typhoon or F-15EX willIt was been said before and i'll said it again ... There could be only 1 item from US . Either F 16 or F 15 but never both . That's alone allready send our message across the pond very clearly .