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Madokafc said:
Caracal, NH90 and Viper
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good question for NH90. is it too expensive to maintain or we can deal with the maintenance? looks the users always having a problem with this. but the italian and french is seems no problem with that
 
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From now on, TNI AL will need to obtain many more new helicopters.
Based on their long term plans, there will be more frigates, even destroyers and several LHD. TNI AL really need to think carefully which helo to chose.

I really don't want to see TNI AL in the future to have 3 type of different ASW helo, 3 type of different attack helo, 6 type of different utility helo.
 
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NEKO said:
The fixed panel radar only for search and track, not for target illumination right?
Why not adding 4 more fixed panel radar for it? Or movable illuminator is already enough (and cheaper).
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I thought the rotating radar was the long-range volume search, while the shorter-range but more accurate fixed panels are used for targeting. The smaller fire control radar to my knowledge are for the twin 76mm guns.

I have no clue though so if any expert is able to weigh in with their knowledge, it's much appreciated.
 
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GAzilla said:
I thought the rotating radar was the long-range volume search, while the shorter-range but more accurate fixed panels are used for targeting. The smaller fire control radar to my knowledge are for the twin 76mm guns.

I have no clue though so if any expert is able to weigh in with their knowledge, it's much appreciated.
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Cafrad x-band radar, each set(4 panel) can perform only either search and track or illumination/targeting.
Search and track (CFR), Ilumination (AYR).
And idk what's on FMP, maybe you are right.

Unlike for example kronos wether x or c band can perform both search and track also illumination simultaneously, like kronos C band on our KRI Brawijaya.
 
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Brazillian Navy Caracal aboard Atlantico, there is great chance Indonesian Navy to operated Caracal as utility and SAR Combat helicopters from their flattop platform, while NH90 as General ASW Helicopters

Marines will get their Viper and BELL 412

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NEKO said:
Cafrad x-band radar, each set(4 panel) can perform only either search and track or illumination/targeting.
Search and track (CFR), Ilumination (AYR).
And idk what's on FMP, maybe you are right.

Unlike for example kronos wether x or c band can perform both search and track also illumination simultaneously, like kronos C band on our KRI Brawijaya.
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In IndoDefence '2024', they said FMP will be equipped with CENK 350. No one really knew what it was, and it wasn't even in ASELSAN's marketing, hence 'Radar Ghoib'.

ASELSAN did post a YouTube video only a month ago, and finally marketing the product at IDEF 2025.

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ASELSAN’s CENK 350-N Radar Brings Full Coverage for Warships | TURDEF

CENK 350-N AESA radar unveiled during IDEF25 with four fixed panels is set to bring 360-degree search and tracking capabilities to frigate-sized warships.
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"CENK 350-N operating in X-band has an instrumented range of 250 km, shorter than CENK 400-N’s 400 km, as it uses smaller panels of lower power. However, the coverage advantage gives it an edge in situational awareness and midcourse guidance for air defence missiles, as it can provide updates at a much higher pace. Generally, radars like CENK 350-N are used in conjunction with long-range searching radars on frigates."

"The radar can individually cover 90 degrees in azimuth and 70 degrees in altitude."

"The radar’s export contract has been signed, which is understood to be for the upcoming Merah Putih-class frigates of the Indonesian Navy to use a high percentage of Turkish-made systems. A fixed type AESA radar titled “Mete Han” matching CENK 350-N was spotted on the ship’s infographic shared by local sources."

I have heard about taking certain components of CAFRAD for FMP, but I'm not sure if CENK 350N is a part of CAFRAD sold separately, or a different radar entirely.
 
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Umigami said:
Those VLS seem mounted pretty high, possibly Midlas Strike?
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Perhaps, but I couldn't find sources stating it specifically. Out of the 3 planned missiles (Atmaca, Hisar, and Siper), It seems Siper is the longest of the three. Perhaps if Siper needs strike length then we have your answer, but I can't find it.
 
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