What I mean is, the current aircraft are Block 3F standard and have TR-2 infrastructure. Specifically, to utilize advanced radar systems and electronic warfare capabilities (Block 4), they first need to be upgraded to the TR-3 (Technology Refresh 3) equipment package. Due to serious technical errors in the TR-3 and Block 4 software, full operational capacity will only be reached in 2031. The most critical problem is the supply crisis for the AN/APG-85 GaN radars. However, this new APG-85 radar has not yet been approved for export to allied countries. Therefore, Turkiye may be considering faster procurement by upgrading these aircraft with the AN/APG-81 radar and TR-3 system. So, if these aircraft are to be delivered, in my opinion, the cost of modernization (tens of millions of dollars per aircraft) and the delivery schedule will be the main subject of new negotiations with the US.
Yeah,i dont trust the Israeli sub systems anyway.
Parts produced by Israel for the aircraft are sent to US facilities for integration. Joint production is carried out for allied countries within Lockheed's quality standards. Regarding operational maintenance, the organization is entirely run through ODIN; supplier countries have no authority over this system. Israel can veto the use of its own parts or systems in Turkish aircraft, and that's the only thing it can do, if it's willing to accept the lateral complications it would create.
Engines are near done, protest period ends tomorrow.
None at all. Giving only a handful aircraft to Turkey instead ensures they never become operational and are used as testbed for our own developments. If ^-35 transfer happens, it will be followed by a purchase of a total of 20-40 aircraft.
That radar in question is the new APG-85, only used on US models; they are not sharing that yet with anyone; but I'm sure there will be a push to keep Israeli "qualitative edge" and give it to them in future as well. Export deliveries continue without much problems.
What does it matter where it is sent to when the Israelis can do anything they want to those parts?
Let them be in Türkiye first.
What window?
At this moment in time we cant even trust a feather coming from Israel.
I am in two minds about this. I don't want a single penny going to US , and at the same time I understand the need for a stop-gap solution to our AF.
So,you dont want us to study the F-35?
I understand what you are saying, but unfortunately our defense industry is no way able to deliver in those 2 years. We need KAAN up and flying and doing missions with those engines. So we can "buy" some time.
I agree with you. F35s are "nice to have" at this point, I surely want them. But we are not as desperate as for F35 like 4-5 years ago. Certainly they are very good aircrafts, we can learn a lot, use in NATO drills, can create real deterrence but outside 5-6 F35s in hangars, they are not coming in 4-5 years. Even Trump give them us, by the time F35s coming, KAAN, KE, ANKA 3, EF, Özgürs as well as air defence systems wil be entering the inventory with meaningful numbers. Not to mention missiles, kamikaze uavs, battleships etc. F35s are no longer is a "must" as once was, we will be just fine.
I completely agree, word for word. I don't hate the F-35, but unfortunately, the Turkish public seems to be fixated on it and is largely unaware of the other major developments taking place.
İts not only finacial problem but aslo security as F35 is computer machine with alot of sensors that can spy and transfer data to US (israel) and as US fear from S400 aslo we should fear from presence of F35 . İf Türkiye has abbility to disamble F35 and look at every device and screw inside and change some of them like main computers and sensors than its another matter but better not to take it . US is not stupid that want to give it to us now , We pay our destruction with our money just same as Pagers of Hezbollah
