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    Indonesia Indonesian Army,Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Darat (TNI-AD)

    L52 and L55 have the same length..... but weird, looks not that much different even when Leo 2 RI only have L44 instead of L55 KF51 Leopard 2 RI
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    Indonesia Indonesian Army,Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Darat (TNI-AD)

    KF 51 Dimensions and weight Weight 59 t Length (gun forward) ~ 10 m Hull length ~ 7.8 m Width ~ 3.7 m Height ~ 2.5 m Leo 2 RI Dimensions Length Gun Forward11m Length Hull7.72m+ Width 3.75m+ Height2.48m+ Ground Clearance0.54m? Weight62,500kg aka 62.5 tonne combat...
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    Indonesia Indonesian Army,Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Darat (TNI-AD)

    Kind a weird think to say dont you think??? after all the conflict that already happen... if we put that up that logic simply because we don't want a war with our neighbor or other countries, then why we have an army in the first place??? people can change?? "Up to 20 years ahead let say as a...
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    Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

    not or not yet? and you try to ask about it to SAAB bro? i dont work for them i don't manage their website and i don't know how Malay and Turks citizen and government treating that case and if they are no confirmation from SAAB that they block us, than the possibilities are not just "they block...
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    Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

    i think it's related to the burning a holy book case
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    Indonesia Indonesian Army,Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Darat (TNI-AD)

    that's what make it even more scary, look the countries around us, if something bad happen, you think the European or US will chose to be on our side? cause most countries around us is US/Europe allies or a NATO's to, like us. The different is, they have stronger relationship compared to...
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    Indonesia Indonesian Army,Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Darat (TNI-AD)

    actually what i'm trying to say is, those leading country at MBT stuff already starting to build a new tanks with a more powerful gun and yet we still in a old short cannon (secondhanded) tank's..... imagine in the next 5-10 years ahead when they standardized the caliber or at least finished and...
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    Indonesia Indonesian Army,Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Darat (TNI-AD)

    L55 give more punch when it use APFSDS, more barrel length to push the ammo.... anyway talking about the gun, German KF51 already use 130mm instead of 120mm for more fire power if bigger firepower is the future, why stick to the L44??? or should they have both of it? short barrel for urban, long...
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    Indonesia Navy Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

    if they satisfied by the current caesar, caesar NG would be a good choice.... but if they wanted something more, such as more ammo storage, capabilities and ext, the Morana can do a direct fire, also the gun, ammo and stuff are more protected since it basically a turret, less trouble when...
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    Indonesia Navy Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

    this source said it's 13.02 meters length and 3.085 meter width and 3.122 meter height. don't know that it will fit or not
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    Indonesia Navy Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

    how about this one? excalibur army Dita 155mm SPH
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    Indonesia Navy Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

    wait, why don't they purchase another CAESAR???? the army already use it right?
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    Indonesia Indonesian Army,Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Darat (TNI-AD)

    what kind of exercise i wonder? all i see is driving a tank.... please tell me that this isn't a test to get a driving license to drive a tank....
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    Indonesia Navy Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

    35Knot Next Gen FAC i wonder that it would have the same length/class as the KCR60M (upgraded) or it would be something totally new
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    Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

    please tell me that this Mirage 2000 ain't part of the deal so TNI can buy the Rafale F4 series instead of the lower version.... i believe giving that Mirage 2000 budget to another Rafale or to pay the Rafale or maybe it's missile and stuff is better
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    Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

    we are the best at being Lebay aren't we?
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    Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

    I guess Indonesia is not a NATO anymore, isn't it?
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    Indonesia Navy Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

    damn, they still didn't replace 1 of that Otomelara....
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    Indonesia Indonesian Army,Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Darat (TNI-AD)

    i think the operational cost is to high knowing it have a gas turbine engine
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    Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

    i thought Indonesia will get a double seater??

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