TR Casual Discussion Çay Bahçesi

[Ryder]

Yes thanks to our government and moreover president, being farmer is no longer considered as a respectable job. Being a graduate of something, working at offices or factories has been promoted constantly by them.
The youth has no reason to stay in villages. Neither they are promoted to.

Everybody wants to be a doctor or an engineer.

Village institutes have also brought damage.

 

[Anmdt]

Everybody wants to be a doctor or an engineer.

Village institutes have also brought damage.

Village institutes hasn't brought the damage but allergy to communism and rural people taking care of themselves , being educated has scared US, forced Turkish right to demolish village institutes.
Village institutes has been the best thing for Turkey, some people who knows both technology and understanding rural life has grown from there.
It was also exploited by communists as propaganda center ,who claimed themselves to serve for people, but blocked people to benefit from those institutes truly ,only feeding them with politics

 

[what]

In the region where my family is from (Manisa) there are a lot of cooperatives that own machinery that you can use/rent even for smaller farmers that do not have the funds. I like the idea of cooperatives because together they are stronger, but we need more technology in farming. Productivity needs to grow.

 

[bsruzm]

Looks really satisfying...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1338069726732427265

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1337814186747977728

 

[Fuzuli NL]

This forum:

 

[Saithan]

Sak bir yana CHC yaptigina karsi neden bu kadar cok ticaret yapiyoruz. Bir de bizim lehimize degil bu ticaret. Ipek yolu olduktan sonra ne daha iyi olacak bizim icin ?

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Sak bir yana CHC yaptigina karsi neden bu kadar cok ticaret yapiyoruz. Bir de bizim lehimize degil bu ticaret. Ipek yolu olduktan sonra ne daha iyi olacak bizim icin ?

Türk mali Cin'de beyinlere etkisi olur.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

http://imgur.com/Q7Yjeo2

 

[Ryder]

Sak bir yana CHC yaptigina karsi neden bu kadar cok ticaret yapiyoruz. Bir de bizim lehimize degil bu ticaret. Ipek yolu olduktan sonra ne daha iyi olacak bizim icin ?

Belt and road only benefits china.

Muslim countries dont have strong economies neither will they work together to make us all prosperous.

Sad thing is how you have a lot of Muslims who are content on being poor as if we accepted our fate.

Really sad.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

http://imgur.com/6dMxIbO

 

[CAN_TR]

China will flood the markets with cheap products, if Turkey is smart it rejects chinese goods and demands for transit fees.

Bos bosuna kimse senin demir yollarina yatirim yapmaz, is birligi istiyorsa sanayiye yatirim yapsin, Türkiye'nin ucuz cin ürünlere ihtiyaci yok.

 

[Ryder]

China will flood the markets with cheap products, if Turkey is smart it rejects chinese goods and demands for transit fees.

Bos bosuna kimse senin demir yollarina yatirim yapmaz, is birligi istiyorsa sanayiye yatirim yapsin, Türkiye'nin ucuz cin ürünlere ihtiyaci yok.

Thats actually what destroyed the Ottoman Empire and its failure to industrialise.

Western Europe was able to flood the empire with cheap mass produced goods which destroyed local business due to this so many peoples businesses got destroyed or sold off.

Same could happen here look at examples where China has its tentacles. They already own parts of Africa also Sri Lanka. Sri Lanka defaulted and got trapped by China now it has handed over ports to China.

We gotta be aware of China because even Russia feels threatened by China its not all rosy especially if Russia supports belt and road it could also spell the end of their economy.

Caatsa sanctions can also effect Russia's military industry as more countries abstain from buying from Russia to avoid sanctions this could lead to China as a main supplier of arms to many countries.

 

[Saithan]

Thats actually what destroyed the Ottoman Empire and its failure to industrialise.

Western Europe was able to flood the empire with cheap mass produced goods which destroyed local business due to this so many peoples businesses got destroyed or sold off.

Same could happen here look at examples where China has its tentacles. They already own parts of Africa also Sri Lanka. Sri Lanka defaulted and got trapped by China now it has handed over ports to China.

We gotta be aware of China because even Russia feels threatened by China its not all rosy especially if Russia supports belt and road it could also spell the end of their economy.

Caatsa sanctions can also effect Russia's military industry as more countries abstain from buying from Russia to avoid sanctions this could lead to China as a main supplier of arms to many countries.

China is firmly grabbing economic free zones established by government. I doubt public knows how much debt we have towards china

 

[Xenon54]

China is firmly grabbing economic free zones established by government. I doubt public knows how much debt we have towards china

There is your answer on the question why we are quiet about Uyghurs.

 

[bsruzm]

I saw something like that :

- Teacher: Why is your microphone always muted?

- My family:

 

[Nilgiri]

I doubt public knows how much debt we have towards china

Do we have a number?

Looking at:

IDS Online Tables_Analytical

datatopics.worldbank.org

Bilateral loans (in total not just China) make up 7.5/440 or around 2% of total foreign debt principal held by Turkey (as of 2019).

Rest would need a study of how much Chinese prevalence there is in commercial banks, private loans, bonds, AIIB and all that kind of thing.

But all those have only so much transmittance/control from CCP/PRC govt itself compared to hard bilateral loan...which Turkey at you can see has minimal exposure to overall.

The big trend I see (of significance) is the overall reduction of FDI and increase in loan to replace it (thus reducing overall quality of capital inflow to Turkey substantially) since 07/08

This is a AKP/Erdogan driven phenomenon, policy, response etc. largely....I feel Erdogan admin is not pragmatic or professional enough and too typically hot-headed political. This is not good for larger country long term. I believe I have already talked about the increase in short term bonds/loans is also not good...along with non-guaranteed private credit and bonds in general....the large risk here is all bourne by Turkey (esp Turkish taxpayer) in the end.

Looking at FDI (much higher quality then loans as the risk is leveraged on the investor side):

Restricted Access

santandertrade.com

EU is by far the largest investor there in Turkey....China is really not in the picture yet...and I doubt it will be.

Erdogan doesn't have that much real pressure being exerted by CCP imo....but maybe Turkish establishment feels it prudent to keep geopolitics options open given the tense climate in the region and the frictions heating up increasingly. PRC has less baggage on certain (directly accessible hard power) matters, but of course carries lot of "soft power" baggage other way w.r.t Turkey (w.r.t uighurs, kazaks etc and Turkey connection to them by Turkic lineage).

It in the end is how much transmittance there is between Turkish power corridors that are more influence by hard power issues compared to Turkish society that are more influenced in day to day by soft power.

Turkey need better mature internal politics from what I have seen so far, things are too polarised for comfort with Erdogan vs rest...when Turkey cannot afford this in coming decades given its neighbourhood and also larger world changes.

BTW If you or mods feel this convo is bit too serious for tea, we can look to move it to turkish economy thread or something I guess.

@xenon5434 @Sinan @anmdt @T-123456 @Webslave @Test7 et al.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1335483008460206080

 

[bsruzm]

I felt that cat, he was caught off guard.

 

[CAN_TR]

Cat vs Cucumber still the best.