TR Casual Discussion Çay Bahçesi

[Tornadoss]

I will either go for a jimny (Probably in June) or wait a year and perhaps get a land for a villa. I am undecided.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

ofc i hate islam. islam destroyed my childhood, ruined my teenage years and burned my youth years , islam destroyed everything i loved and now islam is freeing öcalan and creating kurdistan

You need help! And something for your utter ignorance and bigotry.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

ofc i hate islam. islam destroyed my childhood, ruined my teenage years and burned my youth years , islam destroyed everything i loved and now islam is freeing öcalan and creating kurdistan

Deal with it without spamming the defence forum with your mental issues!

 

[Asena_great]

You need help! And something for your utter ignorance and bigotry.

Deal with it without spamming the defence forum with your mental issues!

what ? did i touch a nerve ?? don't want to be reminded of Islam's role in destroying turkey in the last 20 years ?? it is a defense forum and islam is a dangerous security threat that ruined turkey and pushed BOP forward

 

[Ryder]

These kind of abuses happen everywhere to be honest.

Not just mosques or churches or temples. It happens at schools and in universities.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

what ? did i touch a nerve ??

Lol! not even if you tried, mate.
Get some help. Really.

 

[Asena_great]

These kind of abuses happen everywhere to be honest.

Not just mosques or churches or temples. It happens at schools and in universities.

this 2 things are not a same. schools and universities wont dictated ahlak this ahlak that selling ahlak left and right but islamist do and calling university a brothel, but we know whats going on in mosques and inside the tarikats.
i always upload them time to time here. why are you always bring in churches ?? they have zero effect on my life thats why i wont give 2 fucks about them but if you saying ""oh we do rap that normal even in churches people do rap"" thats not an argument also shows your inferiority complex since its shows you see Christianity as superior and trying to justify your actions by saying ""look churches do the same "" !! WTF

 

[Fuzuli NL]

this 2 things are not a same. schools and universities wont dictated ahlak this ahlak that selling ahlak left and right but islamist do and calling university a brothel, but we know whats going on in mosques and inside the tarikats.
i always upload them time to time here. why are you always bring in churches ?? they have zero effect on my life thats why i wont give 2 fucks about them but if you saying ""oh we do rap that normal even in churches people do rap"" thats not an argument also shows your inferiority complex since its shows you see Christianity as superior and trying to justify your actions by saying ""look churches do the same "" !! WTF

I'm sorry that you've been a subject to abuse by a "muslim". It's obvious that it has left irreparable damage to your psyche.
I'm not trying to put you down or belittle you. I'm genuinely concerned about your mental stability.
I'm being serious when I say get help. I don't think you should be anywhere around people until you get help.
Having said that, I'm aware of how much religion is used to exploit the masses and in some cases horrible abuse of children and people in general.
I agree with some of what you say but I think you need to be objective and blame the individuals rather than an entire religion.
I hope that one day you'll open your eyes beyond that mist of hatred and see for yourself.

 

[Ryder]

this 2 things are not a same. schools and universities wont dictated ahlak this ahlak that selling ahlak left and right but islamist do and calling university a brothel, but we know whats going on in mosques and inside the tarikats.
i always upload them time to time here. why are you always bring in churches ?? they have zero effect on my life thats why i wont give 2 fucks about them but if you saying ""oh we do rap that normal even in churches people do rap"" thats not an argument also shows your inferiority complex since its shows you see Christianity as superior and trying to justify your actions by saying ""look churches do the same "" !! WTF

Dont think people who are religious are perfect they make mistakes even they use religion for their own benefit.

I dont like tarikats because they are cults to me even as a Muslim.

Stop blaming Islam for everything. I just went to Umrah recently with my family and I met a lot of Uzbeks, Kazakhs, Turkmens and Kyrgz. I was really surprised to see so many people from Central Asia.

Dont think Tarikats wont be called into judgement. They will all be judged by Allah/God/Tanri. Tarikats are not a special key to heaven.

Our people dont know how to think thats why they constantly get bamboozled by everybody. Even the educated kesim does the same.

God gave us a brain. Lets all use it.

 

[Ryder]

this 2 things are not a same. schools and universities wont dictated ahlak this ahlak that selling ahlak left and right but islamist do and calling university a brothel, but we know whats going on in mosques and inside the tarikats.
i always upload them time to time here. why are you always bring in churches ?? they have zero effect on my life thats why i wont give 2 fucks about them but if you saying ""oh we do rap that normal even in churches people do rap"" thats not an argument also shows your inferiority complex since its shows you see Christianity as superior and trying to justify your actions by saying ""look churches do the same "" !! WTF

Universities still have rules by the way. A man cant go there naked, drink alcohol or act like an asshole. Same with girls.

We live in a society of rules and laws.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1876015818238304686

 

[Asena_great]

 

[Tornadoss]

You need help! And something for your utter ignorance and bigotry.

He has some points. Maybe, not Islam but people in the "name of Islam" or culture which it brought damaged the country.

Because of the religious reasons printing and press is not used for many years, religion is used as pretext to attack any development. Education, natural and social sciences were omitted. In the past and today tariqas are using religion to manage the masses, as well as governments.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

He has some points. Maybe, not Islam but people in the "name of Islam" or culture which it brought damaged the country.

Because of the religious reasons printing and press is not used for many years, religion is used as pretext to attack any development. Education, natural and social sciences were omitted. In the past and today tariqas are using religion to manage the masses, as well as governments.

Well said, brother. My point exactly.
If a cat scratched you it doesn't mean that all cats are monsters. If that's the way someone thinks, they need professional help.

 

[Tabmachine]

He has some points. Maybe, not Islam but people in the "name of Islam" or culture which it brought damaged the country.

Because of the religious reasons printing and press is not used for many years, religion is used as pretext to attack any development. Education, natural and social sciences were omitted. In the past and today tariqas are using religion to manage the masses, as well as governments.

The monastic understanding of Islam is not indigeneous to Islam, but was imported from Europe during the colonial period. Islam was historically never "apart from the world" but "within the world".

Modern day islamism suffers this feature of rejecting the world, rejecting science, philosophy. I remember I went to a talk once by this Salafi youth group (just accompanying some friends) at the local mosque by my University, and the speaker, a graduate in Biochemistry (!!) was giving a talk on how syllogisms were haram (or something of that ilk this was years ago).......................................

 

[Rooxbar]

The monastic understanding of Islam is not indigeneous to Islam, but was imported from Europe during the colonial period. Islam was historically never "apart from the world" but "within the world".

Modern day islamism suffers this feature of rejecting the world, rejecting science, philosophy. I remember I went to a talk once by this Salafi youth group (just accompanying some friends) at the local mosque by my University, and the speaker, a graduate in Biochemistry (!!) was giving a talk on how syllogisms were haram (or something of that ilk this was years ago).......................................

It's funny how Western arabists and orientalists have taught muslims since 1850s about the golden age of Islam, how there was much scientific advances, urbanism, economic prosperity, advances in agriculture, medicine etc. and both Sunnis and Shia love to use that as an example and being ostentatious about the superficial fact of such advances and such figures' existence but when it comes to the examination of the period such conditions were created and sustained and the types of governance and the figures at the helm of society which made such an era possible, both Sunnis and Shias hate them, the rulers, the dynasties; there's no debate about why was it that such a flourishing could happen and why hasn't it happened since.

 

[Ryder]

It's funny how Western arabists and orientalists have taught muslims since 1850s about the golden age of Islam, how there was much scientific advances, urbanism, economic prosperity, advances in agriculture, medicine etc. and both Sunnis and Shia love to use that as an example and being ostentatious about the superficial fact of such advances and such figures' existence but when it comes to the examination of the period such conditions were created and sustained and the types of governance and the figures at the helm of society which made such an era possible, both Sunnis and Shias hate them, the rulers, the dynasties; there's no debate about why was it that such a flourishing could happen and why hasn't it happened since.

Has to be the most western centric bs I read.

Muslims knew their own history regardless of which empire or kingdom.

Golden Age regardless of which era of civilisation has always been made up by scholars and historians overtime. Because its constantly compared to their decline. Even the Spanish had a "Golden Age". Not even the Spaniards realised it.

Islamic golden age ending in 1258 is bs. Because it ignores the Turkic contributions like the Mamluks, Ottomans, Mughals and the Timurids.

Westerners and Pan Arabist historians will conviently leave all that out to suit their own agendas. Not to mention how Western Colonialism used the Islamic Golden age against the Arabs by telling the Arabs look the Barbaric Turks are keeping you down.

Baghdad and the Abbassid Caliphate was in long decline before the Mongol Invasion. It cant be denied that Baghdad was a centre of knowledge but there were also other cities of knowledge like Cordoba, Bukhara, Cairo and Damascus which rivalled Baghdad.

Bernard Lewis's Ottoman Decline thesis has largely been obsolete. The problem is Turkish history are teachers are still teaching Bernard Lewis's obsolete works.

The Ottoman Empire survived its greatest crisises in the 1600s. Despite surviving the cracks were beginning to appear the Ottomans did not just stay do nothing they tried to reform themselves even back then.

Even the Turkish republic goes through its own reforms to keep itself in shape. The advantage it is not an empire not ruling different ethnic groups from Vienna to Baghdad.

 

[Rooxbar]

Has to be the most western centric bs I read.

Muslims knew their own history regardless of which empire or kingdom.

Golden Age regardless of which era of civilisation has always been made up by scholars and historians overtime. Because its constantly compared to their decline. Even the Spanish had a "Golden Age". Not even the Spaniards realised it.

Islamic golden age ending in 1258 is bs. Because it ignores the Turkic contributions like the Mamluks, Ottomans, Mughals and the Timurids.

Westerners and Pan Arabist historians will conviently leave all that out to suit their own agendas. Not to mention how Western Colonialism used the Islamic Golden age against the Arabs by telling the Arabs look the Barbaric Turks are keeping you down.

Baghdad and the Abbassid Caliphate was in long decline before the Mongol Invasion. It cant be denied that Baghdad was a centre of knowledge but there were also other cities of knowledge like Cordoba, Bukhara, Cairo and Damascus which rivalled Baghdad.

Bernard Lewis's Ottoman Decline thesis has largely been obsolete. The problem is Turkish history are teachers are still teaching Bernard Lewis's obsolete works.

The Ottoman Empire survived its greatest crisises in the 1600s. Despite surviving the cracks were beginning to appear the Ottomans did not just stay do nothing they tried to reform themselves even back then.

Even the Turkish republic goes through its own reforms to keep itself in shape. The advantage it is not an empire not ruling different ethnic groups from Vienna to Baghdad.

Arabist means an scholar of Arabic philology.

And during the early modern (15th, 16th) and the later two centuries (17th and 18th), the number of scholarly works recognizing and commentating on the contributions of the scientists of the Islamic golden age (the likes of Ibn Shatir, Ibn-Hayhtam, Al-Samawal, Ismail ibn Fallūs, Avempace, Ibn Tufail, Al-Bitruji, Al-Fazari, al-Tamimi, Ibn Butlan, Al-Zahrawi, Avenzoar, Al-Jazari, Al-Farghani, Abu Kamil Shuja, Al-Battani, Ahmad ibn Abi al-Ash'ath, Abu'l-Barakāt al-Baghdādī, Hasan al-Rammah, Abu-Uthman Al-Jahiz) published in Arabic, Turkish or Persian was less than the fingers of one hand.

The fact that these people and their contributions weren't know by Muslims after around 14th century has to be an obvious point with no need to get riled up about, if one looks at how much they are known now and how many scholarly works in history of science is published about their works in Islamic countries right now (let alone 300-400 years ago). A fact very much reinforced ever so slightly by the fact that all of the critical editions of the works of these thinkers was produced by western 'Arabists', medievalists, philologists and orientalists (Like Brockelmann, Wellhausen, Nöldeke, etc.) of late 19th and early 20th century. Also many of hitherto unknown works of these Islamic thinkers were discovered and recovered from Latin translations or from manuscripts decaying in archives in Iran, Egypt, etc. and introduced for the first time to modern audiences (audiences comprised of 95% Westerners). This last point can be checked by looking around and asking friends and family, how many of them have read the works of the thinkers I listed above.

Islamic golden age ending in 1258 is bs. Because it ignores the Turkic contributions like the Mamluks, Ottomans, Mughals and the Timurids.

Yep, it's bs as there's nothing to that effect in what I wrote.

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1876340313293525205

Surveillance is necessary who comes and goes.

 

[Shtr]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1876566388502069282

US' Canada openings and this one. It seems for me Jews vs UK have a deep war now. I also assume that Türkiye is an allied of UK and many things are connected to each other including Türkiye's advances in defense industry. I guess there are other things are connected to this such as Palestine...

Can someone explain me what is going on? It might sound as a conspiracy theory but I think some would be agree with me. All my life I thought that they are supporting each other but recently things went out of control in this area. I have difficulties to read this matter.