TR Casual Discussion Çay Bahçesi

[Knowledgeseeker]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1651332660118036480

 

[Ryder]

@Anastasius

Can Azerbaijanis understand Ottoman Turkish?

Interesting how Azerbaijani language never went through a revolution in taking out Persian, Arabic or even Russian Words.

 

[Turan]

@Anastasius

Can Azerbaijanis understand Ottoman Turkish?

Interesting how Azerbaijani language never went through a revolution in taking out Persian, Arabic or even Russian Words.

Some words used in Ottoman Turkish are still actively used in the Azerbaijani language, but this is still not enough for an Azerbaijani to understand Ottoman Turkish.

 

[Ryder]

Some words used in Ottoman Turkish are still actively used in the Azerbaijani language, but this is still not enough for an Azerbaijani to understand Ottoman Turkish.

Would a Southern Azerbaijani understand Ottoman Turkish?

Both use the same Alphabet Script.

 

[Osman]

There is a huge difference between written ottoman turkish (especially poems of elite) and speaking ottoman (konuşma dili). Speaking ottoman language is very easy to understand both for turkish and azerbaijani turkish speakers

 

[dBSPL]

Robotic look aluminium foil coated hevals (model Öşex-2023), tried escape IR tracking. Result: surrender while they still alive.

credit:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1651903981281591297

 

[Ryder]

Robotic look aluminium foil coated hevals (model Öşex-2023), tried escape IR tracking. Result: surrender while the still alive.

credit:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1651903981281591297

Hewal punk

 

[what]

Hewal punk

Only missing the helmet to go full Daft Punk .

 

[Turan]

Would a Southern Azerbaijani understand Ottoman Turkish?

Both use the same Alphabet Script.

I asked this question directly to my Southern Azerbaijani friend and he said yes he could understand.

 

[Ryder]

I asked this question directly to my Southern Azerbaijani friend and he said yes he could understand.

Damn thats pretty cool.

Northern Azerbaijani and Southern Azerbaijani what are the similarties and differences.

Is it true Southern Azerbaijan are more conservative compared to Northern Azerbaijan?

Would reunification work for both?

Southern Azerbaijan wants to break away from Iran. But if it did happen would reunification work?

 

[demir283]

Some words used in Ottoman Turkish are still actively used in the Azerbaijani language, but this is still not enough for an Azerbaijani to understand Ottoman Turkish.

Dear friend, you're misunderstanding a couple of things.
- Today Turkish is not artificial, it's common language that is shaped during centuries of Anatolian Turkish oghuz dialect. so if we have one Azerbaijani north , south and Turkish traveled in 17 th century Anatolia, almost all of them had very high mutual intelligibly with common Anatolian Turkish language.

But why people claim ottoman era language is different ? Well in Middle Ages High state language by nations were different mostly because of religious and other reasons. For example, many westerner used Latin as high state language or Safavid use very High Farsi that was not understandable by common tongue. Without proper education to understand. just like ottoman. Ottoman made a High state language by 3 languages, which is unique and very impressive achievement. They used this language in High State area to show their power and other reason.

When we speak about ottoman era Turkish,
- high state language (gov other areas)
- Common Turkish (locals)
- Language and between. (some ink slikkers, newspapars or elite people)

During Republic time, Ottoman common language was adapted as official and had the couple of tweaks, nothing more. The between common en high state is adapted by Government & law and other areas. Person who study law in Türkiye like many countries learn heavy old words and different common words.

What most impressive is that if we open 13th century Yunus emre which is Old anatolian Turkish and latinize the alphabet. The amount of Turkish understandability is very high.

But a British person who reads William Shakespeare original text would have problem with it. without proper training, a British can no understand 500 years old original Shakespeare. or Japanese can no read old japonica. Even Chinese can not read old Chinese without proper training . Those are facts.

Another misconceptions is that Ataturk didn't latinize the alphabet alone. It was a series of effects that is not mentioned. When Russian Empire absorbed many Turkic dynasties in the region. Many Turkics did face new terms, the term Turk switches to Turkic. Yes! The Term Turkic invented mid 19th century (see oxford etymology). From this point many Turkic scholars in Russian Empire thought it would very be important to preserve Turkic language to do that they switched to latin. Oldest probably the Yakut Turkic 1909 they followed by tatars bashkirs and others.

But a major milestone to latinize was made during 1926 Baku Turkology Congress. Where majority scholars agreed on switching Latin. This was also positively welcomed in Türkiye, this lead to in 1928 Türkiye switched Latin. the idea was simple, with latin they could preserve language but also easily unified Turkics language and created a unique bridge between Turkic and Türkiye.

This was seen by Stalin. From his reign, they forced everyone to create a singular nation and mandating Cyrilics to ensure not division. Those who opposed faced brutal dictatorial ships with qulaks or face to migrations. Stalin also Created Azeri thesis to ensure Azerbaijani would become different from Türkiye. He also removed Azerbaijani Turks in some region and created Zengizor corridor to stop Türkiye influence the region or the Turkic to unite under single banner.

What interesting is that . During this event, Iran faced a very od turn. Some Turkish - iranian created Pan-iranism . For example, Mahmud Afshar ethnically Turkish who created first Pan-iranism movement against pan-turkism. in his ideology, Azerbaijani Turks should be defender or Pan-iranian because of their heritage. And created large support even in none turkish society that iran still uses. Today iran uses this as Azeri propaganda. for example, one of head members always label : azerbaycan turks as "iranian without Iran passport "

 

[demir283]

What good has Pan Iranism done for the Turkic peoples in Iran?

Nothing really. Even if Iran became secular again and overthrew the Mullah regime of Khomeini the oppression will still continue.

Lots of Persian Liberals and Persian secularists had no problem in Azerbaijani getting outlawed when Mullah regime crushed Azerbaijani dissent so many times they were always quiet about it.

Thats why with the current protests lots of Azerbaijanis dont care if these Persian girls burning the hijab and getting shot because they the Persians had no problem with the Iranian regime crushing Turkic peoples and imposing Persianisation.

I always said this before Persians regardless if secular or mullah run will continue to oppress the Turkic peoples.

Persians have lots of Racial slurs towards Azerbaijanis especially they call them Tork Khara which means Turkish Donkey.

- The pan iranism was against Turkic people but created by idiot Turkic-persin yoke. i didn't claim it was positive.
- The biggest issue Gov uses this to assimilate larger Turkish ethnic in iran (Souther azerbaycan iran estimate 25+ million) this is what all about it. and last years many southern Azerbaijani take places in social media to influence Azerbijcan turks in Azerbaijan.

- the north doesn't care because they are getting constant treat from Iran , Iran doesn't want a stronger Azerbaijan in the region because of their own Azerbaycani ethnic population.

as for last part : i didn't say otherwise. it seems you misunderstand who text about pan-iranism and short history. ...

 

[dBSPL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1652339820104933376

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1652605387898597376

 

[Sanchez]

As an Istanbul romantic, one thing I love is reclaiming old ferries and putting them back into service instead buying soulless new ones. Much much lower cost as experienced workers that know everything about these boats are still working for Şehir Hatları and the nostalgia. I see they also added some new electronic systems to modernize it and engineer talks about renewing much of the electrical works in the engine room. It looks like renovation took about some 8 months.

Great news. It's the second reclaimed ferry now after Paşabahçe. can't wait to ride her.

"We saved one of the symbols of the Bosporus from being scrap. We bought the Kızıltoprak Ferry for scrap, we renovated it completely, now it is at the service of Istanbulites."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1652606278764576768

 

[demir283]

Indeed the Chinese and the Persians along with Greeks and Romans always used their culture to assmilate people.

Greeks assimilated the Romans. While the Persians influenced the Turks while the Chinese influenced the Turks, Mongols and Manchus. Some Turks even became Chinese while the Mongol Yuan Dynasty became more Chinese than Mongol overtime. While the Romans assmilated the Germanic peoples hence why the Franks and Visigoths became Latinised overtime.

That's the nature of southern civilization influences. also domination of centralism. The nomads can get alone and preserve their languages, even if they not spoke similar groups. For example, when Huns subdues goths, herulis , Scandinavian Germanic while get alone very well for long time if the stronger character involved. This also shows how Magyar ugric speakers adapted many Turkic custom and words of Onogurs, but never were fully assimilated to Turkics. Hence, you see large identity changes after Christianism while it was not similar with Islam.

 

[Rooxbar]

Would a Southern Azerbaijani understand Ottoman Turkish?

Both use the same Alphabet Script.

Yes they can. Esp. the more educated ones. They literally can read divan poetry like it's nothing.

 

[Ryder]

This has to be the most scariest creature I faced in Resident Evil 4 even more scary than the 2005 one.

Nightmare fuel.

 

[Nilgiri]

Turkish football culture is great heh

 

[Ryder]

Turkish football culture is great heh

Good atmosphere in Australia a lot of our so called football matches are garbage in atmosphere.

Literally went to a few games I even went to Real Madrid in 2015 it was dead the atmosphere.