TR 2023 Turkish presidential election

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can someone please help clear some things up for me, please?

I understand that KK wants to end Turkey's foreign entanglements, but wouldn't this just weaken Turkey greatly?

People keep saying that AKP is trying to change the country's demographics, but KK's plan to remove Turkish troops from Syria would create an even larger demographic problem as most Syrian refugees would flee to Turkey.

CHP supporters claim that KK will fix the economy but KK plans to remove troops from Libya, would cause Turkey's Blue Homeland doctrine to collapse. The failure to maintain the blue homeland doctrine would lead to the loss of claims on the Mediterranean oil, and gas reserves that Turkey desperately needs to fix its economy's major problems for the long term.
 

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can someone please help clear some things up for me, please?

I understand that KK wants to end Turkey's foreign entanglements, but wouldn't this just weaken Turkey greatly?

People keep saying that AKP is trying to change the country's demographics, but KK's plan to remove Turkish troops from Syria would create an even larger demographic problem as most Syrian refugees would flee to Turkey.

CHP supporters claim that KK will fix the economy but KK plans to remove troops from Libya, would cause Turkey's Blue Homeland doctrine to collapse. The failure to maintain the blue homeland doctrine would lead to the loss of claims on the Mediterranean oil, and gas reserves that Turkey desperately needs to fix its economy's major problems for the long term.
Mate
KK will never be able to fix the economy, and will never be able to solve the refugee issue. KK is an extremely weak individual that got scammed within his own alliance and lost 30 deputy seats to 3 parties that didnt even give him 1% of votes

The propaganda in social media about how KK will fix the economy is a hoax by Western states to force GenZ to vote for KK in order for Turkey to weaken and the Western states can crush Turkey's geopolitical ambitions and if possible, form Kurdistan once and for all

Even the Western economists knew how shitty KK is but were keeping a poker face becuase they needed an inferior politician to rule Turkey in order to suck Turkey dry
Just look at this👇
 

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Kılıçdaroğlu's new choice did not surprise
It has been revealed that Devrim Barış Çelik, who was appointed to replace the CHP Information and Communication Technologies Vice President Honorary Adıgüzel, tweeted in support of Ebru Timtik, who died during the death fast initiated by the DHKP-C.

 

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can someone please help clear some things up for me, please?

I understand that KK wants to end Turkey's foreign entanglements, but wouldn't this just weaken Turkey greatly?

People keep saying that AKP is trying to change the country's demographics, but KK's plan to remove Turkish troops from Syria would create an even larger demographic problem as most Syrian refugees would flee to Turkey.

CHP supporters claim that KK will fix the economy but KK plans to remove troops from Libya, would cause Turkey's Blue Homeland doctrine to collapse. The failure to maintain the blue homeland doctrine would lead to the loss of claims on the Mediterranean oil, and gas reserves that Turkey desperately needs to fix its economy's major problems for the long term.

Not only does it weaken Turkiye, but it also negatively effects his ability to get votes. Hence why i've been saying it all looks like theatre. You simply dont say such things and once elected if you want to screw the nation you do it then.

Also AK party are intentionally trying to change demographics, we have many islamic cults that operate no different then feto. They infiltrate the state and make and exploit the state. Many are opposed to each other and they compete, however to get a sharia dictatorship they all understand that the common Turk will never accept it, so the only way to bring it about is to flood the country with millions of mena types.

This is why Turkiye became the largest refugee dump on earth despite having a terrible economy. Its also why they try to sell passports for peanuts to middle easterners. Its a long term strategy that didn't begin with AK party. It won't end with them either. Very very bad news for the Turkish republic, her peoples liberties and her prosperity.

The aim of sharia dictatorship is not because these people love islam, its because its about taking all the power and all the money for themselves. Religion is just a means to an end, none of these political islamists care for the religion.
 

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This is honestly just beyond pathetic and you know that

It is actually a legitimate point. Keeping most of the media including state tv to use propaganda is making thing unfair. Sinan Ogan could have get much more than %5 if he didn't blockaded from TV.(both sides media did that)

Millet alliance should have prepared for that though. Looking at the results they didn't even get the young votes(the people they can reach) from Erdogan.
 

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given Erdogan has used the state and state media for his campaign
...like the P.O.T.U.S.

Hell, Biden didn't even ask for the media to back him up, they did so automagically. (aka doing so would help their ESG scores.)
 

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It is actually a legitimate point. Keeping most of the media including state tv to use propaganda is making thing unfair. Sinan Ogan could have get much more than %5 if he didn't blockaded from TV.(both sides media did that)

Millet alliance should have prepared for that though. Looking at the results they didn't even get the young votes(the people they can reach) from Erdogan.

If they were given more media time they would just spoil their credibility further.
 

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Stop Calling Erdoğan a Dictator.
Dictators Don't Go to Runoffs.

An elected autocrat can better fit his position. As there is no other leader in democratic countries that is running a country for 20+ years. Putin is also elected, that doesn't mean he is a "democrat". Winning elections is only one side of democracy. Free elections don't mean a country is democratic. Sinan Oğan one of the presidential candidates literally has 0 minutes of coverage time on state channel TRT. Tayyip Erdoğan is on his way to becoming an elected dictator.
 

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An elected autocrat can better fit his position. As there is no other leader in democratic countries that is running a country for 20+ years. Putin is also elected, that doesn't mean he is a "democrat". Winning elections is only one side of democracy. Free elections don't mean a country is democratic. Sinan Oğan one of the presidential candidates literally has 0 minutes of coverage time on state channel TRT. Tayyip Erdoğan is on his way to becoming an elected dictator.
Erdoğan is simply the most favored leader by the people.
Because he is The right man for the time.
People want him because he does a good job, period.
 

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Erdoğan is simply the most favored leader by the people.
Because he is The right man for the time.
People want him because he does a good job, period.
Democracy is not what people want. It is what people want within rules and regulations so what people want doesn't derail a democratic state. Laws that guarantee the separation of powers, ruling term limit, free judiciary, etc. are what make a state democratic on top of free elections. Erdogan has already blurred the lines between those things. The next thing you will see before the next elections will be a constitutional change that will give Erdogan even more power and enable him to run again. There are countless examples where skillful demagogues that use elections and their popularity to change a democratic state to a dictatorship. Those rules are there to prevent that so that no one achieves absolute power because power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
 

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Lol
They truly never learn

Translation:
Kılıçdaroğlu's new choice did not surprise
It has been revealed that Devrim Barış Çelik, who was appointed to replace the CHP Information and Communication Technologies Vice President Honorary Adıgüzel, tweeted in support of Ebru Timtik, who died during the death fast initiated by the DHKP-C.


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Do you know where is she now?
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Democracy is not what people want. It is what people want within rules and regulations so what people want doesn't derail a democratic state. Laws that guarantee the separation of powers, ruling term limit, free judiciary, etc. are what make a state democratic on top of free elections. Erdogan has already blurred the lines between those things. The next thing you will see before the next elections will be a constitutional change that will give Erdogan even more power and enable him to run again. There are countless examples where skillful demagogues that use elections and their popularity to change a democratic state to a dictatorship. Those rules are there to prevent that so that no one achieves absolute power because power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
He said he won't run again.
Once he said that he will keep that word.

A better heritage than just the good job he did would be passing a high performing governance on to the next generation. That would be the gem on the crown.
 

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Democracy is not what people want. It is what people want within rules and regulations so what people want doesn't derail a democratic state. Laws that guarantee the separation of powers, ruling term limit, free judiciary, etc. are what make a state democratic on top of free elections.
Democracy is, by definition, mob rule. What you're describing is a republic.
 

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being kurdish, alevi or what not is not a problem in Turkiye,
What do you think when Tv commentators say "KK anadolu sosyolojisini anlamıyor."

An Alevi will never get votes from Anatolia. Don't fool yourselves. Beşiktaş or Çankaya doesn't represent Turkey.

Even if Erdogan gets Öcalan outside prison and makes him the Major of Istanbul. KK brings whole Nobel prized scientists in the world. Erdogan would still get elected.
 
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What do you think when Tv commentators say "KK anadolu sosyolojisini anlamıyor."

An Alevi will never get votes from Anatolia. Don't fool yourselves. Beşiktaş or Çankaya doesn't represent Turkey.
True but Kılıçdaroğlu should have respected that. People warned him over and over again. He was so sure that a combination of melting economy, earthquakes, and votes from the southeastern Turkiye would carry him.
 

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True but Kılıçdaroğlu should have respected that. People warned him over and over again. He was so sure that a combination of melting economy, earthquakes, and votes from the southeastern Turkiye would carry him.
Yeah, i'm saying the same thing. He thought that with the multiple crysis Turkey is facing, he would get elected. Made his 11th mistake and got beaten. Then he will get his 12 th defeat in 28 May. Then he will get his 13th defeat in 2028.

Even if Erdogan becomes paralyzed, he would defeat KK from his bed.
 
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