Academic Future of Education in Turkey

[Saithan]

it is simple like with the throwing paper on street, there is service for cleaning streets but what helps them also is sanction for throwing it. this kind of measure is fine as it could help that education retrieve some lost integrity in the time of internet and social media, i see it like free assistance from state to the universities. don't understand your objection fraud is fraud it does not matter if it is only for university degree or some financial scam where people for that serve same amount of time or so.

I don't think you really thought it through.

Theoretically a high school student buying an assignment would face 5 years prison if he's 18+ because it's fraud.

 

[mulj]

I don't think you really thought it through.

Theoretically a high school student buying an assignment would face 5 years prison if he's 18+ because it's fraud.

i did not go to the all details but in principle i support it. of course there should be some more deductive articles within the law, point is if problem exists on wide scale there should be also some harsh sanctions to sustain it.

 

[Saithan]

i did not go to the all details but in principle i support it. of course there should be some more deductive articles within the law, point is if problem exists on wide scale there should be also some harsh sanctions to sustain it.

Sure, everything in measures. That's why I'm saying school stuff and assignment should be solved within guidelines of universities/place of education. Not involving police if it can be avoided. (physical harm etc. belongs in the category where police gets involved).

Another example from older times. The difference between one person stealing one bread and two people stealing one bread is the second one is organized crime and as such penalty would be meted out according to that. Even if both were starving homeless people. We've had these strict rules from the past and only the humane judgement from judges could save these sorry souls from receiving maximum sentences.

@Saiyan0321 could probably give more examples as he's into Law, but my point is that making the law of 5 years prison for fraud in an educational institution is insane. I am certain that Universities have their own way of dealing with these incidents.

 

[mulj]

Sure, everything in measures. That's why I'm saying school stuff and assignment should be solved within guidelines of universities/place of education. Not involving police if it can be avoided. (physical harm etc. belongs in the category where police gets involved).

Another example from older times. The difference between one person stealing one bread and two people stealing one bread is the second one is organized crime and as such penalty would be meted out according to that. Even if both were starving homeless people. We've had these strict rules from the past and only the humane judgement from judges could save these sorry souls from receiving maximum sentences.

@Saiyan0321 could probably give more examples as he's into Law, but my point is that making the law of 5 years prison for fraud in an educational institution is insane. I am certain that Universities have their own way of dealing with these incidents.

let it put this way, what do you think what is more harmful for society if some medical student forge his exams and thesis and go without punishment, by legal terms he is certified doctor and can threat people with different diagnosis, what if that kind of person kill human because of his lack of knowledge?
same could be applied to the different educational areas, do you want that your educational system produces people with integrity, honesty academy approach and who could really contribute to the society or worthless academia who could jeopardize society on so many levels.
personally i do not know dimensions of the problem but aparently it is big as this kind of measures are considered, for short term gains shock therapies are not bad, of course with the time, technology and adjusted mentality this kind of law should be abolished and let universities to deal with it.

 

[Saithan]

let it put this way, what do you think what is more harmful for society if some medical student forge his exams and thesis and go without punishment, by legal terms he is certified doctor and can threat people with different diagnosis, what if that kind of person kill human because of his lack of knowledge?
same could be applied to the different educational areas, do you want that your educational system produces people with integrity, honesty academy approach and who could really contribute to the society or worthless academia who could jeopardize society on so many levels.
personally i do not know dimensions of the problem but aparently it is big as this kind of measures are considered, for short term gains shock therapies are not bad, of course with the time, technology and adjusted mentality this kind of law should be abolished and let universities to deal with it.

That's not an educational issue, it's straight fraud. That's when the law of 5 years prison is applicable. Also as I know you're still required to display your diploma or certificate on the wall in your establishment. I do not know if state monitors these annually or regularly, but doing so would make sense.

 

[Anmdt]

5 years prison for having someone write your thesis for you ? Wouldn't it be enough to kick the person out of the university ?

Doesn't universities normally have their own way of dealing with fraud or plagiarism ?

Probably his degree was taken away (PhD and whatever), the jail is just the extra.
If you ever happen to realize a plagiarism just inform the university,and boom the degree vanishes
It is not just the plagiarism, YOK enforces plagiarism check but there are ways to avoid it: rephrasing, quoting-copying a text in a different language (such as translation of English into turkish directly, or vice versa for thesis)
However, getting thesis written by someone is not plagiarism but ethically wrong, it should be found out in examinations, but examinations are usually nothing but a joke (except in some universities, faculties), it is a feast for the jury (damn delicious food there )
Like, there are times i visit an University and my circle usually invites colleagues university-or country wide to PhD-MsC thesis defense sessions. While some other, despite of the law is stating all examinations should be conducted open to public with announcement, does not invite anybody or moreover, keeps you from attending to it and getting bitter.
Usually the visitors has right to ask question to the candidate,but not "push" him like the jury does.

 

[mulj]

That's not an educational issue, it's straight fraud. That's when the law of 5 years prison is applicable. Also as I know you're still required to display your diploma or certificate on the wall in your establishment. I do not know if state monitors these annually or regularly, but doing so would make sense.

education is privilege and with that should come some responsibility, you probably look on that from western perspective where those kind of issues are solved long time ago trough developing mentality, institutions, culture and so on, maybe from that point of view those measures are harsh, altough if you want strong, valued and respected education in the world and to attract and keep brains in Turkey maybe this is justified proposal, my humble opinion...

 

[Bogeyman]

Turkish universities entering the World Super League have been announced


METU URAP Laboratory is also among 11 ranking provider, ARW, the CW, LEIDEN, NTU, QS, RAR, SCIMAGO, THE, USNews and Webometrics, assessment related to 203 universities in the world ranking in Turkey, published by METU URAP.

In the report, the status of 11 research universities and 5 candidate universities in the world rankings between 2013-2020 was evaluated for the first time.

The 3 universities with the highest rankings have been announced

Accordingly, 9 Turkish universities took part in the "World's Top 500 Universities" in 2020.

Hacettepe University, METU and coach, entering Turkey from the list were ranked as the top 3 of 9 universities.

Hacettepe University entered 378th on the RUR list, 455th on the LEIDEN list and 500th on the URAP list.

Meanwhile, METU ranked 416 in the WEBOMETRICS list, 454th in the RUR list and 453th in the US NEWS list.

Koç University entered 450th on the THE list, 448th on the RUR list, and 465th on the QS list.


Those who got their names in 2 lists in the first 500 ranking

The 4 universities that made it to the top 500 in the list of 2 out of 11 institutions are as follows:

"ITU (RUR: 449 and USNEWS: 486), Boğaziçi University (US NEWS: 197 and RUR: 425), Bilkent University (RUR: 385 and SCIMAGO: 494) and Istanbul University (LEIDEN: 355 and ARWU: 450)."

Sabancı (RUR: 344) and Çankaya (THE: 450) were the universities that entered one of the top 500 lists.

In the report, regarding this situation of universities, "In the world rankings in 2020, it is an important success for our country that these 9 universities are among the top 500 in at least one ranking." was evaluated.


Performance analysis of the last 10 years regarding the top 500 Turkish universities


While 10 of the Turkish universities were in the top 500 in the 2011 world rankings, the number of those who made it to the top 500 fell to 8 last year. This year the number rose to 9.

Istanbul University was in the top 500 in 4 lists in 2011, and in the top 500 in 2 lists in 2020, and lost its place in the top 500 in URAP and SciMago.

While METU was in the top 500 in 4 rankings in 2011, it was among the top 500 in 3 lists in 2020, it was not included in the top 500 lists of URAP, LEIDEN and SciMago.

Hacettepe University, which was among the top 500 in 3 lists in 2011, was again in the top 500 in 3 rankings in 2020, losing its place in the SciMago list.

While Bilkent University was in the top 500 in 2 rankings 10 years ago, it entered the top 500 in 2 lists in 2020, and could not find a place in the THE and QS rankings.

While ITU succeeded in being in the top 500 of a list 10 years after 2011, when it was listed in 1, it left the THE ranking.

Boğaziçi University entered the top 500 in 1 list in 2011 and 2 in 2020, ranking 197 in the US News ranking, ranking the highest among the top 500. Boğaziçi University lost its place in the top 500 in the THE ranking.

Sabancı University was included in 1 list both in 2011 and 2020, it was out of the QS ranking.

Ankara University, which was in 3 ranking lists in 2011, and Gazi and Ege universities, which were in 2 ranking lists, were not included in the top 500 list last year.


203 universities' report cards in the world rankings

The report also included the status of 203 Turkish universities that managed to rank outside the top 500 in the world general rankings in 2020.

Accordingly, 5 universities that succeeded in being included in the list of 11 of the 11 ranking institutions that made world university rankings were Hacettepe, Istanbul, ITU, METU and Ankara Universities.

Ege, Gazi, Bilkent and Boğaziçi universities were included in the 10 lists in which the world rankings were made.

Dokuz Eylül, Koç and Erciyes universities succeeded in 9 lists, Atatürk, Marmara, Yıldız Teknik, Çukurova, Sabancı universities in 8 lists, and Selçuk, Akdeniz, Eskişehir Osmangazi, Gebze Teknik, Anadolu and İzmir High Technology Institute in 7 lists.

10 of the 6 of the world rankings; 12 universities on 5, 17 universities on 4, 41 universities on 3 and 21 universities on 2.

The number of universities in only 1 ranking was 79 this year.


A special title was opened for research and candidate research universities


URAP this year for the first time in Turkey "research and research universities candidates" examined in detail the places of the world.

The report said Turkey was an important development in research universities and the identification of candidate research universities will increase academic success in the competition and once the world's best universities, emphasis was placed between the entry will increase the chance.

5 of the 16 candidates study and research universities in Turkey took place in the 2020 top 500 list.

Among these universities, Hacettepe and METU 3 entered the top 500 in the list.

ITU, Boğaziçi and Istanbul University were among the top 500 universities on the 2 list each.


The status of research universities in the URAP world rankings between 2013-2020


Hacettepe University, which ranked 458th in the URAP 2013 world rankings and 500-550 in the following years, became the only research university to enter the top 500 in 2020. Hacettepe has been determined as "the university that maintains its position the best" in the URAP rankings for the 2013-2020 period.

Istanbul University ranked in the top 500 for 3 years in a row in the URAP rankings in 2013-2015, becoming 632th in 2020.

İTÜ was in the top 500 in 2014 for the first time, and ranked 725th in 2020.

Ranking in the top 500 in 2013-2015, METU was ranked 751 in 2020.

Ankara University ranked 510th in 2013 and 824th in 2020.

Ranking in the top 500 in URAP's 2013-2014 ranking, Ege University entered the 915th list in 2020.

Gazi University, which was 519th in 2013, became 924th in 2020.

Boğaziçi University, which ranked 734th in the URAP ranking in 2013, was 575th in 2014 and 1096th in 2020.

Erciyes University ranked 879th in 2013 and 1101th in 2020 in the URAP rankings.

Similarly, other research and candidate research universities have declined in the URAP rankings since 2013. Istanbul University-Cerrahpaşa, on the other hand, entered the URAP ranking for the first time in 2020 as it was newly established and became 1215th.


"Our research universities should patiently increase their publications"


URAP Coordinator Prof. Dr. Ural Akbulut, in his evaluation of the report, drew attention to the intense efforts of Turkish universities to rise to the top of the world rankings.

Akbulut said, "When the number of publications and citations are examined, it is seen that the publications and citations of our universities generally increase every year. However, our rate of increase in the number of publications and citations is below the world average." made its evaluation.

Akbulut gives the example that Chinese universities have achieved their goal of becoming one of the best in the world as a result of years of patience and tireless efforts, "Our research universities can achieve success by patiently increasing the number and quality of their publications, establishing new laboratories and recruiting talented researchers abroad without losing their morale." used the expressions.

Akbulut noted that the acceptance of the concept of "research university" and the great effort of university administrators and academicians on this issue increase the chance of success.

Dünya Süper Ligi'ne giren Türk üniversiteleri açıklandı

Hacettepe, ODTÜ ve Koç, ODTÜ University Ranking by Academic Performance Laboratuvarı'nca (URAP) açıklanan rapora göre, "Dünyanın En İyi İlk 500 Üniversitesi" listelerinden 3'üne girerek Türkiye'de en yüksek başarıyı gösteren üniversiteler oldu. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Sinan]

Turkish universities entering the World Super League have been announced


METU URAP Laboratory is also among 11 ranking provider, ARW, the CW, LEIDEN, NTU, QS, RAR, SCIMAGO, THE, USNews and Webometrics, assessment related to 203 universities in the world ranking in Turkey, published by METU URAP.

In the report, the status of 11 research universities and 5 candidate universities in the world rankings between 2013-2020 was evaluated for the first time.

The 3 universities with the highest rankings have been announced

Accordingly, 9 Turkish universities took part in the "World's Top 500 Universities" in 2020.

Hacettepe University, METU and coach, entering Turkey from the list were ranked as the top 3 of 9 universities.

Hacettepe University entered 378th on the RUR list, 455th on the LEIDEN list and 500th on the URAP list.

Meanwhile, METU ranked 416 in the WEBOMETRICS list, 454th in the RUR list and 453th in the US NEWS list.

Koç University entered 450th on the THE list, 448th on the RUR list, and 465th on the QS list.


Those who got their names in 2 lists in the first 500 ranking

The 4 universities that made it to the top 500 in the list of 2 out of 11 institutions are as follows:

"ITU (RUR: 449 and USNEWS: 486), Boğaziçi University (US NEWS: 197 and RUR: 425), Bilkent University (RUR: 385 and SCIMAGO: 494) and Istanbul University (LEIDEN: 355 and ARWU: 450)."

Sabancı (RUR: 344) and Çankaya (THE: 450) were the universities that entered one of the top 500 lists.

In the report, regarding this situation of universities, "In the world rankings in 2020, it is an important success for our country that these 9 universities are among the top 500 in at least one ranking." was evaluated.


Performance analysis of the last 10 years regarding the top 500 Turkish universities


While 10 of the Turkish universities were in the top 500 in the 2011 world rankings, the number of those who made it to the top 500 fell to 8 last year. This year the number rose to 9.

Istanbul University was in the top 500 in 4 lists in 2011, and in the top 500 in 2 lists in 2020, and lost its place in the top 500 in URAP and SciMago.

While METU was in the top 500 in 4 rankings in 2011, it was among the top 500 in 3 lists in 2020, it was not included in the top 500 lists of URAP, LEIDEN and SciMago.

Hacettepe University, which was among the top 500 in 3 lists in 2011, was again in the top 500 in 3 rankings in 2020, losing its place in the SciMago list.

While Bilkent University was in the top 500 in 2 rankings 10 years ago, it entered the top 500 in 2 lists in 2020, and could not find a place in the THE and QS rankings.

While ITU succeeded in being in the top 500 of a list 10 years after 2011, when it was listed in 1, it left the THE ranking.

Boğaziçi University entered the top 500 in 1 list in 2011 and 2 in 2020, ranking 197 in the US News ranking, ranking the highest among the top 500. Boğaziçi University lost its place in the top 500 in the THE ranking.

Sabancı University was included in 1 list both in 2011 and 2020, it was out of the QS ranking.

Ankara University, which was in 3 ranking lists in 2011, and Gazi and Ege universities, which were in 2 ranking lists, were not included in the top 500 list last year.


203 universities' report cards in the world rankings

The report also included the status of 203 Turkish universities that managed to rank outside the top 500 in the world general rankings in 2020.

Accordingly, 5 universities that succeeded in being included in the list of 11 of the 11 ranking institutions that made world university rankings were Hacettepe, Istanbul, ITU, METU and Ankara Universities.

Ege, Gazi, Bilkent and Boğaziçi universities were included in the 10 lists in which the world rankings were made.

Dokuz Eylül, Koç and Erciyes universities succeeded in 9 lists, Atatürk, Marmara, Yıldız Teknik, Çukurova, Sabancı universities in 8 lists, and Selçuk, Akdeniz, Eskişehir Osmangazi, Gebze Teknik, Anadolu and İzmir High Technology Institute in 7 lists.

10 of the 6 of the world rankings; 12 universities on 5, 17 universities on 4, 41 universities on 3 and 21 universities on 2.

The number of universities in only 1 ranking was 79 this year.


A special title was opened for research and candidate research universities


URAP this year for the first time in Turkey "research and research universities candidates" examined in detail the places of the world.

The report said Turkey was an important development in research universities and the identification of candidate research universities will increase academic success in the competition and once the world's best universities, emphasis was placed between the entry will increase the chance.

5 of the 16 candidates study and research universities in Turkey took place in the 2020 top 500 list.

Among these universities, Hacettepe and METU 3 entered the top 500 in the list.

ITU, Boğaziçi and Istanbul University were among the top 500 universities on the 2 list each.


The status of research universities in the URAP world rankings between 2013-2020


Hacettepe University, which ranked 458th in the URAP 2013 world rankings and 500-550 in the following years, became the only research university to enter the top 500 in 2020. Hacettepe has been determined as "the university that maintains its position the best" in the URAP rankings for the 2013-2020 period.

Istanbul University ranked in the top 500 for 3 years in a row in the URAP rankings in 2013-2015, becoming 632th in 2020.

İTÜ was in the top 500 in 2014 for the first time, and ranked 725th in 2020.

Ranking in the top 500 in 2013-2015, METU was ranked 751 in 2020.

Ankara University ranked 510th in 2013 and 824th in 2020.

Ranking in the top 500 in URAP's 2013-2014 ranking, Ege University entered the 915th list in 2020.

Gazi University, which was 519th in 2013, became 924th in 2020.

Boğaziçi University, which ranked 734th in the URAP ranking in 2013, was 575th in 2014 and 1096th in 2020.

Erciyes University ranked 879th in 2013 and 1101th in 2020 in the URAP rankings.

Similarly, other research and candidate research universities have declined in the URAP rankings since 2013. Istanbul University-Cerrahpaşa, on the other hand, entered the URAP ranking for the first time in 2020 as it was newly established and became 1215th.


"Our research universities should patiently increase their publications"


URAP Coordinator Prof. Dr. Ural Akbulut, in his evaluation of the report, drew attention to the intense efforts of Turkish universities to rise to the top of the world rankings.

Akbulut said, "When the number of publications and citations are examined, it is seen that the publications and citations of our universities generally increase every year. However, our rate of increase in the number of publications and citations is below the world average." made its evaluation.

Akbulut gives the example that Chinese universities have achieved their goal of becoming one of the best in the world as a result of years of patience and tireless efforts, "Our research universities can achieve success by patiently increasing the number and quality of their publications, establishing new laboratories and recruiting talented researchers abroad without losing their morale." used the expressions.

Akbulut noted that the acceptance of the concept of "research university" and the great effort of university administrators and academicians on this issue increase the chance of success.

Dünya Süper Ligi'ne giren Türk üniversiteleri açıklandı

Hacettepe, ODTÜ ve Koç, ODTÜ University Ranking by Academic Performance Laboratuvarı'nca (URAP) açıklanan rapora göre, "Dünyanın En İyi İlk 500 Üniversitesi" listelerinden 3'üne girerek Türkiye'de en yüksek başarıyı gösteren üniversiteler oldu. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

This is not an achievement but acceptance of failure.

 

[Sinan]

Something that Erdogan propagandists wiil never talk about.

 

[Mustafa27]

Something that Erdogan propagandists wiil never talk about.

Why not give actual link to the research paper so i can read it properly but from what i can see this is based on social studies and not STEM studies so topics such as history and etc. Even then this seems like bullshit, giving USA A on this.

 

[Anmdt]

Something that Erdogan propagandists wiil never talk about.

I wonder about the criteria which they employed to evaluate this.

I know some green or blueish looking countries are not entirely free too.

In some of those countries which seem blue or green you have to make dedicated number of articles every year, regardless of quality (quality is even trash except some top running well-known single journals), and handle certain amount of R&D projects or your team is disbanded.

And to be honest again in those countries i think this there is a thin line between incentives to be productive and limitations to focus on keeping university at top in some rankings.

Academic world has became a garbage in last 10 years doesn't matter where it is, most of top (so called Q1-Q2 class) journals are far more corrupted than you may guess (let me tell in these words, worse than political parties). Anything can be published as long as you have some contacts in editorship, anything may not be published if you don't know someone or if you are in the "other" team colliding with their ideas.

So i assume this map entirely relies on whether universities are decision making or decisions (management) are forced from above. Not related to freedom at all.

In my opinion those people should re-evaluate what is freedom actually, in real freedom there wouldn't be a pile of trash of the articles.

 

[Sinan]

Why not give actual link to the research paper so i can read it properly but from what i can see this is based on social studies and not STEM studies so topics such as history and etc. Even then this seems like bullshit, giving USA A on this.

I'm not gonna be apologist for anyone. If you don't like it, you can rebunk their claims with statistics and show their mistake on methodology.

IMO, just the fact that Erdogan appoints deans to universities like he is throwing darts, prove that Turkey has no freedom in Academia. As if a guy, who can't talk without a prompter can shape the Academia of Turkey.

 

[Mustafa27]

I'm not gonna be apologist for anyone. If you don't like it, you can rebunk their claims with statistics and show their mistake on methodology.

IMO, just the fact that Erdogan appoints deans to universities like he is throwing darts, prove that Turkey has no freedom in Academia. As if a guy, who can't talk without a prompter can shape the Academia of Turkey.

Dude why are you so defensive, I asked for a link to the research paper not for you to start fighting straight away. It just shows you have an agenda, i don't know their methodology because u refuse to give link to the research paper you got this from and why do u include Erdogan appointing deans when it has nothing to do with academic freedom, academic freedom means that anybody can research what they want and publish what they want.

 

[Foulgrim]

Something that Erdogan propagandists wiil never talk about.

This situation will change in Turkey when Erdogan feels that he is no longer threatened. From the moment the US tried to assassinate Erdogan in 2016, it had to save its political present and future. This authoritarianism in Turkey exists not only in education but in all major industries. At some point, this situation will change, but in order for this to happen, the Turkish political leadership will have to move autonomously at the geopolitical table.

 

[Nilgiri]

The full paper (and methodology) is found here at bottom:

Free Universities: Putting the Academic Freedom Index Into Action

The second iteration of the Academic Freedom Index compares the state of academic freedom worldwide. Here is how policymakers, universities and others can put it to use.

www.gppi.net

 

[mulj]

This is bullshit,lets define what academic freedom is at first place? Liberal framed freedom is insuficient criteria for determinatiom and evaluation. This is something similar to comparation of freedom of press were startimg point is charle hebdo magazine and then compare how much it is free.

 

[Foulgrim]

Dude why are you so defensive, I asked for a link to the research paper not for you to start fighting straight away. It just shows you have an agenda, i don't know their methodology because u refuse to give link to the research paper you got this from and why do u include Erdogan appointing deans when it has nothing to do with academic freedom, academic freedom means that anybody can research what they want and publish what they want.

Download the "Full Report"
Free Universities: Putting the Academic Freedom Index Into Action

 

[Saithan]

EU’s student exchange program Erasmus in huge demand in Turkey

Erasmus, the European Union's prestigious student exchange program, is flourishing in Turkey, a hopeful for accession to the bloc. In the past 17...

www.dailysabah.com

Erasmus seems to give young minds a chance to be discovered. Given the current situation I think it's good that so many young students are given a chance to shape their own future through these exchange programs.

 

[Anmdt]

EU’s student exchange program Erasmus in huge demand in Turkey

Erasmus, the European Union's prestigious student exchange program, is flourishing in Turkey, a hopeful for accession to the bloc. In the past 17...

www.dailysabah.com

Erasmus seems to give young minds a chance to be discovered. Given the current situation I think it's good that so many young students are given a chance to shape their own future through these exchange programs.

%99 goes there to do sighseeing and never attends to the classes.