TR Aftermath of the earthquakes in Turkey's South-east

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I always said that those aliens are future terrorists. But some islamists on this forum can't accept that. Doesn't matter anyway, those terrorists must be killed.
back in 2020 Erlik talk about a scenario were Istanbul suffered an earthquake and some parts of cities were isolated and the things Syrians/afghans would do in absence of police force what he said 3 years ago are happening now
 

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The first two NDRF teams have commenced operations in the area...

....one more NDRF team is being sent along with 6th consignment of relief materials from India





I must commend, C17 is one of the greatest assets you guys managed to have. Quite envy with this one
 

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Neither Ahbap nor AFAD can run an organization this big. There is only one institution that can run an operation of this size and it is Turkish Armed Forces-TAF. Erdo should have declared a state of emergency and a partial mobilization order at the same hours after the earthquake. Both Ahbap, AFAD, and any other Turkish organization should have come under the TAF command. 200-250k manpower needs to be mobilized for fieldwork (both civilian and military) and enough personnel for healthcare, food etc to support that workforce and take care of survivors.

Even if it is run by the best experts AFAD can't put several 10k workers together in time. Let alone equip them, transport them, feed them, and support them on the field. Imams that run AFAD made this reality even worse.

These disasters have to be managed just like a war. Huge manpower needs to be mobilized to the front. You need to mobilise and command this force the same way you equip a wartime soldier, provide ammunition/equipment, logistics, medical supplies, and command.

There are excavators lying around because there are no operators to man them and there are excavator operators that need excavators to work. The military doesn't do that kind of mistake. Generators stop running because there is no fuel to keep them going and there are fuel tankers lying around because they don't know where to go. I can give you countless examples but I think even the most pro-government people now understand why AFAD can't run this even if it is run by the best of the best.
 

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Neither Ahbap nor AFAD can run an organization this big. There is only one institution that can run an operation of this size and it is Turkish Armed Forces-TAF. Erdo should have declared a state of emergency and a partial mobilization order at the same hours after the earthquake. Both Ahbap, AFAD, and any other Turkish organization should have come under the TAF command. 200-250k manpower needs to be mobilized for fieldwork (both civilian and military) and enough personnel for healthcare, food etc to support that workforce and take care of survivors.

Even if it is run by the best experts AFAD can't put several 10k workers together in time. Let alone equip them, transport them, feed them, and support them on the field. Imams that run AFAD made this reality even worse.

These disasters have to be managed just like a war. Huge manpower needs to be mobilized to the front. You need to mobilise and command this force the same way you equip a wartime soldier, provide ammunition/equipment, logistics, medical supplies, and command.

There are excavators lying around because there are no operators to man them and there are excavator operators that need excavators to work. The military doesn't do that kind of mistake. Generators stop running because there is no fuel to keep them going and there are fuel tankers lying around because they don't know where to go. I can give you countless examples but I think even the most pro-government people now understand why AFAD can't run this even if it is run by the best of the best.


Thousands of volunteers can't go to the disaster zone because they need a signed paper from the governorate of İstanbul.
 

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Scary, wouldnt wish anyone to experience this.

20 million people lived through this moment and sadly for many it was their last. In the 99 earthquake, I couldn't move because of the shock I experienced after the earthquake increased its intensity. The friends in this video were able to stay as calm as possible and calm their parents down. When we came out of our ruined houses, it was 25 degrees outside. These people are now in -10 degrees below freezing. It is really devastating.
 

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Yes and all these people are paid actors right?
What would you prefer more, the state media that lets the camera roll only after rescue teams started working?
Media can be used for good to create awareness. Sadly with BBC and many others they exploit every situation for political means.

Such a massive catastrophe and how would even the most developed nation be able to make instant rescue attemps on every one of the thousands of collapsed buildings?

I pray that people use this time to be constructive in helping the many victims of this tragedy instead of using it to forward their political agendas.
 

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20 million people lived through this moment and sadly for many it was their last. In the 99 earthquake, I couldn't move because of the shock I experienced after the first 30 seconds when the earthquake increased its intensity. The friends in this video were able to stay as calm as possible and calm their parents down. When we came out of our ruined houses, it was 25 degrees outside. These people are now in -10 degrees below freezing. It is really devastating.
Where did you experince it? I was in summer holidays in sakarya, the earthquake happened a couple days after we departed for switzerland.

Some people still dont seem to grasp the magnitute of this disaster here, my relatives lived 9 years in a container city after their house collapsed, these containers should only be temporary but they become permanent for many people unfortunately, this will not be any different i believe.
 
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Media can be used for good to create awareness. Sadly with BBC and many others they exploit every situation for political means.

Such a massive catastrophe and how would even the most developed nation be able to make instant rescue attemps on every one of the thousands of collapsed buildings?

I pray that people use this time to be constructive in helping the many victims of this tragedy instead of using it to forward their political agendas.
Critisizing the shortcomings is just as important, right now the government cant even admit its shortcomings, no, instead they block means of communications thats vital in such times.
Communication via twitter saved many lives but now erdogan is getting it censored because he is scared of his reputation getting damaged as if people dont know whats happening.

In that sense kudos to BBC for showing the voice of people, they are doing something that state and mainstream media dont.
 

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Some details on "Operation Dost" were given in (following) press briefing by Indian MEA, army and air force as to how things were coordinated and executed with Turkish counterparts as it relates to the affected region (given in the map shown in briefing) immediately as the news broke and scale of devastation became apparent.

Details are also given on assistance to Syrian side.

NDRF teams were sent fully self sufficient (for up to 15 days) and this will be ongoing mission to be ramped up as to be determined by Turkish requirement going forward. The IAF C-17s are extremely capable in this effort.

Some details on Indians within Turkiye are also given (1 businessman is currently missing, but everyone else incl. about 10 in the immediate region are safe).

All our prayers continue for Turkish nation to persevere through and recover from this tragedy as best as it possibly can.

 

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Media can be used for good to create awareness. Sadly with BBC and many others they exploit every situation for political means.

Such a massive catastrophe and how would even the most developed nation be able to make instant rescue attemps on every one of the thousands of collapsed buildings?

I pray that people use this time to be constructive in helping the many victims of this tragedy instead of using it to forward their political agendas.
The question is would there be thousand collapsed building in most developed countries due to earthquake? In Japan, earthquake is a reality they are constructing the buildings accordingly. 2011 Earthquake was magnitude of 9.0, many people died not due to the collapsing building but drowning because of tsunami. Earthquake is reality of our country, 24 years past over 99 earthquake but still it seems we learned and do nothing.
 

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Where did you experince it? I was in summer holidays in sakarya, the earthquake happened a couple days after we departed for switzerland.

Some people still dont seem to grasp the magnitute of this disaster here, my relatives live 9 years in a container city after their house collapsed, these containers should ony be temporary but they become permanent for many people unfortunately, this will not be any different i believe.
I was in Istanbul, the building we were in was cracked all the way through. My brother was with my uncles that night and the building next door to them collapsed. We couldn't reach them until the morning and when we listened to the radio or heard people talking around, we thought that many neighborhoods of Istanbul were destroyed. There were even people saying that the Bosphorus bridge had collapsed and we couldn't appease my mother until morning. I remember very clearly because I was in high school, what happened in almost the entire Körfez region from Gölcük onwards was a tragedy beyond words. Our people stayed under the rubble for days, but another tragedy was the troubles that our people who lost their homes after the earthquake experienced for years. Now 13 million people are experiencing the same tragedy, probably hundreds of thousands of them no longer have a home to go into.
 

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I was in Istanbul, the building we were in was cracked all the way through. My brother was with my uncles that night and the building next door to them collapsed. We couldn't reach them until the morning and when we listened to the radio or heard people talking around, we thought that many neighborhoods of Istanbul were destroyed. There were even people saying that the Bosphorus bridge had collapsed and we couldn't appease my mother until morning. I remember very clearly because I was in high school, what happened in almost the entire Gulf region from Gölcük onwards was a tragedy beyond words. Our people stayed under the rubble for days, but another tragedy was the troubles that our people who lost their homes after the earthquake experienced for years. Now 13 million people are experiencing the same tragedy, probably hundreds of thousands of them no longer have a home to go into.
We already hit 10k casualties in third day, wish the people a lot of patience, the coming months and years will be hard, i hope the reconstruction happens faster this time and nobody has to live in containers for a decade like my aunt and her family.
 

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Apples and Oranges. Perhaps compare with the Earthquake in Haiti, or China or Pakistan.
 

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We already hit 10k casualties in third day, wish the people a lot of patience, the coming months and years will be hard, i hope the reconstruction happens faster this time and nobody has to live in containers for a decade like my aunt and her family.
Unfortunately, since we are a world brand in terms of urban unplannedness, we have much more difficult days ahead of us. I don't want to talk about it right now, but as we can see from the aerial shots, there is a pile of debris that has covered even the streets and made many neighborhoods inaccessible. Even the prefabricated cities will probably need over hundreds of thousands of households.
 
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