TR Aftermath of the earthquakes in Turkey's South-east

[dBSPL]

One of the things that struck me while watching these footages on Youtube is how much people were inside the buildings during the second earthquake.

 

[Xenon54]

One of the things that struck me while watching these footages on Youtube is how much people were inside the buildings during the second earthquake.

On top of everything Turkish architecture often has the worst kind of buildings for a seismicly active zone.

 

[Nilgiri]

This encapsulates what I have tried (and often failed) to explain to people (who have turned anti-capitalist in some reactionary way) over many years w.r.t proper capitalism vs rampant.

(In fact IMO, the rampant form stops being capitalism altogether)

i.e there is an important reason why Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations" (sometimes considered to be the definitive work w.r.t capitalist philosophy) had as its prequel "The theory of moral sentiments".

A wise, reasoned man always knows that proper capitalism only exists where the morals of the society are well based and secure as possible.

The (classical) Marxists and their close authoritarian-inclined equivalents (be it luddites, fascists, theocrats and still others) all have demonstrably objectified and implemented a radical Hobbesian approach to short circuit this process as fast as possible....which is why these systems have drastically failed (and keep failing, though are often attractive to some populist reactionary to scapegoat or indulge in personal emotional escapism/delusions in any given timeframe).

The evolvement over time into drastically less-honest and less-defined neo-marxist forms (to conflate and merge with neo-liberalism and neo-conservatism) is one of the unfortunate trends picking up this century....as then it becomes simply a zero sum power struggle in the end of might makes right.....which indulges the worst proclivities and tendencies of man, in what can be surmised as "evil" and "corruption".

Unfortunately most people want short easy answers for application of short easy time they have to commit on these deep issues.

This ends up exacerbating the whole thing (especially as new host of challenges pop up as we develop pressures and easy offer of viceful impulses that are anathema to the human collective existence itself that has always relied on and gotten this far on the family structure as the fundamental basis)

I do wonder how human species will get out of this in the end to truly elevate itself....as the best methods are literally staring at us all chomping at the bit (in how we approach preserving what has worked well and changing only what needs to be changed)....but we remain so timid, unwise and fearful to embrace them genuinely.

This in the end is why too many innocent people die in the end (by our own collective hand) than otherwise would have....just like in this earthquake. There is not a proper reckoning yet, there are huge amounts of gaps in our total mind frame and application.

In the end we owe it to them that we will realise such things, life is the most precious yet fragile thing of all.

The larger topic/debate can be continued here for those members interested, I'd be interested to hear any views from my reply here that contains a good analysis this time from a geopolitical (rather than economic) premise:

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[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1626873335861870593

 

[Ryder]

This shit needs to be fixed artik!!

This disaster should not be forgotten overtime like the 1999 one.

Learn from it

 

[Nutuk]

Most of the collapsed buildings did not have a sufficient foundation.

Here we see again neglect, no control. They build 5-6 store apartments' with no foundation.

Mostly you see two types of collapsed buildings either buildings that collapse in one piece: no foundation
or buildings that collapse like a sandwich: bad concrete, insufficient iron use

A building without foundation is like you stand on one leg and try to balance

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Install German politicians in Turkiye, it will become like Germany in no time.

Politicians are not chosen by people, take CHP for instance, KK lost more than 15 elections in a row, people don't want him but he is still at the head of CHP.

Same with MHP and many other parties. Which politician do we really chose?

German politicians would not make Turkiyer become like Germany. Like brother @dBSPL has mentioned people are not god-fearing, and that's why we see so much corruption, however, does that mean that the state is doing enough? Definitely not! I think that it would be suitable to say that the state needs to have a functioning control mechanism to keep people in check! Norway is good at having control and that's why we have a safe environment even if we get slapped right, and left with high taxes, and fines. In most cases, we see that the change comes from the people themselves, and that's where I have to agree with some brothers here that mentioned the "mentality" of people. But I also do agree with your comments regarding the state doing its job in monitoring the safety, and well-being of its citizen.

 

[Ryder]

Install German politicians in Turkiye, it will become like Germany in no time.

Politicians are not chosen by people, take CHP for instance, KK lost more than 15 elections in a row, people don't want him but he is still at the head of CHP.

Same with MHP and many other parties. Which politician do we really chose?

Same politicians which turned Germany into a cuck of a nation.

No thank you but Germany apart from being advanced and developed is a clown show.

 

[what]

Same politicians which turned Germany into a cuck of a nation.

No thank you but Germany apart from being advanced and developed is a clown show.

Greetings from the clown show in my earthquake safe flat, the highest living standards in the world and a democracy that is actually working. Good that people like you dont run Germany.

 

[dBSPL]

German politicians would not make Turkiyer become like Germany. Like brother @dBSPL has mentioned people are not god-fearing, and that's why we see so much corruption, however, does that mean that the state is doing enough? Definitely not! I think that it would be suitable to say that the state needs to have a functioning control mechanism to keep people in check! Norway is good at having control and that's why we have a safe environment even if we get slapped right, and left with high taxes, and fines. In most cases, we see that the change comes from the people themselves, and that's where I have to agree with some brothers here that mentioned the "mentality" of people. But I also do agree with your comments regarding the state doing its job in monitoring the safety, and well-being of its citizen.

When we look at the root of all problems, we see that the problem of morality and the individual's sense of community has disappeared and he fallen into personal ambitions. Unfortunately, this is a common problem not only in Turkiye but in almost all Muslim countries that are struggling with countless problems.

There is a conformist mentality that we all resort to most of the time: The West colonized us and confined those it could not colonize to controllable borders. The West fought us, it fought our religion and our faith. It has exploited and continues to exploit our wealth. That is why we are poor, that is why we have not developed enough.

But at the heart of it, the real betrayal is within ourselves. We have run away from the struggle, we have avoided sacrifice. We worry about one more loaf of bread to put on our table without even thinking about our neighbor. I grew up in a conservative community. I have seen countless people who do not leave Muslimness to anyone, who question your Muslimness and my Muslimness, who pray five times a day but consider haram as their right.

It is not the buildings that have collapsed, something much bigger has collapsed inside us, long before that. Our moral foundation was destroyed. Now we are searching for our humanity in its rubble.

 

[dBSPL]

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This is the case not only in Istanbul, but in almost all our western metropolises. It was the case even in Hatay, Gaziantep, Şanlıurfa, Malatya, Kahramanmaraş, which were largely devastated. For 20 years, it has been one of our most serious problems, but it only became a topic on ekşisözlük after we lost another 40 thousand people. It is better than never. I hope we can now keep this issue on the agenda.

Urban transformation cannot be achieved at the required speed by economic rent and raising floors. Floor owners are stopping the process with their profit calculations of 3-5 square meters. According to the law, electricity and water are cut off within 3 months in a building that the municipality reports as rotten. After a certain period of time, it is demolished by legal means. However, for this reason, condominium owners refuse to apply for earthquake resistance tests from the municipality for the buildings they deem to be rotten. Earthquake resistance tests conducted outside authorized institutions are not legally binding. In such buildings, the apartment owner can take out DASK insurance and rent out the apartment as he/she wishes.

For example, a building with 20 apartments. 5 of them make a deal with another contractor, get a perk and try to stop the other ongoing process completely. Or a slum neighborhood, the state distributed title deeds to these areas for some reason (guess why), then it was included in the urban transformation plan, but the land owners are trying to stop these plans with a court decision to get 2-3 more flats. Of course, there is also the other side of the coin, for example the urban transformation of Fikirtepe, where people were promised new houses within 2 years, but it has been 6 years and people still haven't been able to take their homes.

 

[Ryder]

Greetings from the clown show in my earthquake safe flat, the highest living standards in the world and a democracy that is actually working. Good that people like you dont run Germany.

You guys closed down your nuclear power plants and are now resorting to coal.

Now dependant on Russian gas.

Green policies have turned Germany into a clown show.

 

[Xenon54]

The technologies for earthquake safe buildings exist and super talls can even be built in most dangerous places, please dont tell me its too expensive to build a 10 storey building safely.

 

[Nilgiri]

Turkish ambassador gives information like ~1500 civilians so far treated in the field hospital set up by India in Hatay province.

Overall NDRF mission to Turkiye is explored.

On 6th of February, a massive earthquake struck southern Türkiye and Syria affecting millions of people in the region. Immediately on receiving news of this tragedy, Prime Minister Narendra Modi directed that all possible assistance be extended to the affected people.....

In this episode, we will discuss Operation Dost and India’s increasing profile as a first responder and net security provider.

Anchor: Vikas Swarup, Former Diplomat and Author

Guests:
1- Firat Sunel, Turkiye's Ambassador to India
2- Atul Karwal, Director General, National Disaster Response Force

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

When we look at the root of all problems, we see that the problem of morality and the individual's sense of community has disappeared and he fallen into personal ambitions. Unfortunately, this is a common problem not only in Turkiye but in almost all Muslim countries that are struggling with countless problems.

There is a conformist mentality that we all resort to most of the time: The West colonized us and confined those it could not colonize to controllable borders. The West fought us, it fought our religion and our faith. It has exploited and continues to exploit our wealth. That is why we are poor, that is why we have not developed enough.

But at the heart of it, the real betrayal is within ourselves. We have run away from the struggle, we have avoided sacrifice. We worry about one more loaf of bread to put on our table without even thinking about our neighbor. I grew up in a conservative community. I have seen countless people who do not leave Muslimness to anyone, who question your Muslimness and my Muslimness, who pray five times a day but consider haram as their right.

It is not the buildings that have collapsed, something much bigger has collapsed inside us, long before that. Our moral foundation was destroyed. Now we are searching for our humanity in its rubble.

You are right 100% but let's be really honest with ourselves. We have a lot of good-hearted people around us with integrity and good manners. However, we also have another side of things that is dark. When I read all this you reminded me of a verse in the Quran where Allah swt says " Verily Allah does not change a people's condition unless they change their self". Weak men create hard times, hard times create strong men, and strong men create good times.

It's a lot to work on dear brother but the first change of the world starts with you, and then your family, and then the nation. I pray for the ones we lost during the earthquake, and I pray for a speedy recovery for the wounded. Really a big shame, and a dark spot in modern Turkish history. This was destiny, and behind every hardship is wisdom.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Turkish ambassador gives information like ~1500 civilians so far treated in the field hospital set up by India in Hatay province.

Overall NDRF mission to Turkiye is explored.

India is perhaps one of the biggest contributors to Turkey in this natural disaster. Respect!

 

[Xenon54]

I wanna shout out to everyone who donated for the victims, there is a huge solidarity from around the world from biggest companies to the smallest twitch streamers doing charity streams.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Greetings from the clown show in my earthquake safe flat, the highest living standards in the world and a democracy that is actually working. Good that people like you dont run Germany.

There are no fault lines in Germany for your flat to be earthquake safe or not.
I have seen m any homes here built between 1940s and 2000s. in most of the walls are like paper and cracks and poor engineering can be seen in a lot of them.
The democracy on the other hand is that big illusion that some still believe in.

 

[Crush716]

We have a lot of clowns like him that are appointed by AKP leading different departments and organizations etc. he is just one of many.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1626497265417220099

“Serdar Huseyin Yildirim, Head of the Turkish Space Agency:

"There are Warrior satellites that can send titanium alloy 10-meter sticks from space to any target they want! They penetrate 5 kilometers deep into the ground, creating an earthquake of 7-8 magnitude…"

 

[Aqerdf]

I understand the public anger, because i also have, but this target was a wrong target.

Mr. Yıldırım is not a makbule or akp boot licker. This video is way before the quake. He was talking about space based kinetic bombardment concept, based on a question, in a conference.

Because of this cropped video, this scientist was lynched days for nothing.

Even Mr. Mevlütoğlu tried to explain to the some ill or small minded people, but no prevail...