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-AWACS can feed data to the guidance station (Air land Sea)

-not just RadNet but HERIKKS and now HAKIM should always be in considiration when we talk about Turkish Air defence

-even old HERIKKS was useing Link-16, JREAP-C, Link-11B, Link-1 I am just stating them to open room for a speculation on potential data transfer between HAKIM and ADVENT

- distributed architecture of Turkish SAM systems

- Our Radar rode map should be also considered
 
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"E-7T guided the AMRAAM" story is wrong. E-7T enabled F-16 to acquire target sooner via L16. F-16 tracked the target with its own radar and guided the AMRAAM with the radars X band datalink. Our AMRAAMs doesn't have L16 capability.
 

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Another Idea of using Akinci in Air Defence Role, with it's Murad AESA Radar the Drone can search for Tergets like Cruise Missiles, UAV/UCAV, Helicopters and low flying Aircraft. It will be able to use BVR and WVR Missiles and have Datalink Connection to AWACS. In this Role Akinci will Supplement hround based Air Defence.
 

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-AWACS can feed data to the guidance station (Air land Sea)

-not just RadNet but HERIKKS and now HAKIM should always be in considiration when we talk about Turkish Air defence

-even old HERIKKS was useing Link-16, JREAP-C, Link-11B, Link-1 I am just stating them to open room for a speculation on potential data transfer between HAKIM and ADVENT

- distributed architecture of Turkish SAM systems

- Our Radar rode map should be also considered

I am not sure everybody is speaking the same thing here, I just want everybody to be in the same page here, Correct me here If I am wrong. Radar information from our Awacs can be utilized in varies levels

- Just for situational awareness
- can be used in semi active radar homing
- target level lock till SAM hits its target

My understanding was, It was only used for situational awareness not To be used in initial part of semi active radar homing. But As far as I understand other were wondering if it can used even in the final stage of the journey. Since our SAM can used in semi active mode, They can use their own radars or IIR sensors for final aproach and They dont need such high level of accuracy. And thus we can use our Awacs in the first half of the jouney till its own sensors can have lock on the target.
 

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I am not sure everybody is speaking the same thing here, I just want everybody to be in the same page here, Correct me here If I am wrong. Radar information from our Awacs can be utilized in varies levels

- Just for situational awareness
- can be used in semi active radar homing
- target level lock till SAM hits its target

My understanding was, It was only used for situational awareness not To be used in initial part of semi active radar homing. But As far as I understand other were wondering if it can used even in the final stage of the journey. Since our SAM can used in semi active mode, They can use their own radars or IIR sensors for final aproach and They dont need such high level of accuracy. And thus we can use our Awacs in the first half of the jouney till its own sensors can have lock on the target.
Brother in F 16 net there is an old thread on AWACS you may want to check... kind of old one but still quite informative. unfortunatly Nowadays we start to use the term ''force multiplier'' so often. AWACS is the real embodiemt of the term :devilish:
 
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Multiple Target Engagement Scenario for Hisar with mixed IIR and RF seeker missiles

3 cruise missiles + 3 UAVs + 3 aircrafts with diffrent speeds and altitudes



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Hisar and Siper serial production agreement finally signed!
Aselsan's total share is about 580 million euros.

Within the scope of Air Defense Systems, the Presidency of the Presidency of Defense Industries and ASELSAN signed a contract and contract amendment amounting to EUR 428,538,878.16 and TL 4,884,244,675.07!
 

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This must be a new agreement on HISAR O+ for additional order. Otherwise it gets very confusing. This is from July 2021.

ASELSAN-Roketsan Business Partnership Starts Mass Production for HİSAR O+​

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The Presidency of Defense Industries (SSB) announced on 12 July that the HİSAR O+ Mass Production Contract was signed with the ASELSAN-Roketsan Business Partnership. Deliveries under the contract are planned to be made by 2024.

In the statement made by ASELSAN to the Public Disclosure Platform (KAP), it was stated that the company’s share in the contract was 103 million 625 thousand 308.95 euros and 481 million 738 thousand 647.44 liras.


 
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IMHO this looks like 4 Siper batteries. 582/4 Aselsan's workshare per battery stands at 145,5 million euros if we add 36 missiles per battery total cost per battery might be around 200 million euros for the Turkish Armed forces use.
 

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ASELSAN-Roketsan Business Partnership Starts Mass Production for HİSAR O+​

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The Presidency of Defense Industries (SSB) announced on 12 July that the HİSAR O+ Mass Production Contract was signed with the ASELSAN-Roketsan Business Partnership. Deliveries under the contract are planned to be made by 2024.

In the statement made by ASELSAN to the Public Disclosure Platform (KAP), it was stated that the company’s share in the contract was 103 million 625 thousand 308.95 euros and 481 million 738 thousand 647.44 liras.





This must be a new agreement on HISAR O+ for additional order. Otherwise, it gets confusing
This is an amendment to the existing Hisar serial production contract for the inclusion of Siper batteries.
 

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It seems like first serial production delivery will be made in Q1 2026. Delivery for the first optional system will be made in Q1 2027.

The ranges are given as 100km for the product 1 and 150km for the product 2. Altitudes are given as 20km (65k feet) and 30km (98k feet).
The tracking range of the system is given as 290+km (should not be confused with the detection range)
 

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Additional Hisar-A+ and Hisar-O+ deliveries will be made to Land Forces between 2025-2028. Land Forces are currently getting deliveries of Hisar-A+ and O+ systems and deliveries will continue in 2024. This is for additional deliveries.
Hisar-A+ and O+ deliveries will be made to Air Forces in 2026 and 2027.

The Navy will use a modified Hisar-RF missile named Sapan (VLS enabled/modified Hisar-RF) for its needs.
 

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Record contract for SİPER and HİSAR air defense systems​


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A contract was signed for the serial production of the SİPER Long Range Air Defense System. Orders for the Low and Medium Altitude Air Defense System HİSAR have been increased.

“Mass Production of Turkey's Long Range Regional Air and Missile Defense System Project SİPER Product-1 has started. The scope of the HİSAR Mass Production Project, which is the Low and Medium Altitude Air Defense Missile System, was expanded and the Air Forces Command was included in the project in addition to the Land Forces Command.


The "Signing Ceremony of Mass Production Contracts of SİPER Product-1 and HİSAR Projects", initiated by the Presidency of Defense Industries within the scope of the needs of the Air and Land Forces Command, was attended by Minister of National Defense Yaşar Güler, Chief of General Staff General Metin Gürak, President of Defense Industries Prof. Dr. It was signed at the ceremony held at the SSB with the participation of Haluk Görgün, Naval Forces Commander Admiral Ercüment Tatlıoğlu, Land Forces Commander General Selçuk Bayraktaroğlu, Air Forces Commander General Ziya Cemal Kadıoğlu, Deputy Ministers of National Defense, Turkish Armed Forces and sector representatives.

Minister of National Defense Yaşar Güler briefly said the following in his speech at the signing ceremony:

OUR SKYLAND CAN BE PROTECTED IN THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY​

“Our regional air and missile defense system, SİPER, developed with local and national resources, is a critically important project that will meet our needs in this field with its long-range capability. It is also important that the HİSAR missile, which will be used in the SIPER system, be developed to the maximum extent possible with our domestic and national resources.

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Thanks to our HİSAR missiles, the first tests of which were successfully carried out; The effectiveness and response of our SIPER system against air targets will increase. With these products, our Air Force's urgent system needs will be met and our Sky Homeland will be protected in the most effective way. To ensure the security of our country on land, at sea and in the air, and to protect the rights and interests of our noble nation; Increasing the number of such important projects and including them in the inventory of our heroic army is not a choice, but a necessity.

Based on the aphorism of our national poet Mehmet Akif Ersoy's poem, we are always ready to use our chest as a shield to prevent scoundrels from attacking our country, while at the same time, we are taking our defense capacity to stronger levels by producing weapons and systems such as "SIPER".

No one should doubt that we will write new achievements worthy of our ancestors in the golden pages of our history in line with our Turkey Century targets, and that we will make the second century of our Republic the "Century of Defense Industry".


As a result, our Ministry of National Defense; "We will continue to work shoulder to shoulder with our public institutions, foundations and private sector companies, and universities for a sustainable domestic and national defense industry ecosystem."

Görgün: SİPER 'the best for now'​

SSB President Görgün stated the following in his speech at the Signing Ceremony:

“With ASELSAN-ROKETSAN-TÜBİTAKSAGE Business Partnership; Within the scope of the SIPER Project, which we initiated with the aim of developing an effective air defense system against high altitude and long range air-breathing targets, cruise missiles and air-to-surface ammunition, we started the acceptance activities of the Product-1 system under the responsibility of ASELSAN-Roketsan. We will deliver our systems to our Air Forces Command in mid-2024. With the Signing Ceremony we held today, we are starting mass production of the SİPER Product-1 System.

On the other hand, we used the opportunities and capabilities of many domestic defense industry companies within the scope of the Design and Development Term-1 Contracts of the HİSAR-A and HİSAR-O Projects ongoing between our presidency and ASELSAN. We delivered the systems for which we completed the design, development and qualification activities to our Land Forces Command in 2021. With the contract we will sign today within the scope of the HİSAR Mass Production Project; Our Air Forces Command will also be involved in the project.

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The air defense issue is a matter of survival that we, as the defense industry, should focus on the most. Thanks to these systems, it will be possible to preserve the achievements and infrastructures our country has achieved in every field. Never forget this; Our HISAR and our SHELTER are the best only “for now”. We will continue to work day and night for systems that extend to the space level and contribute to our dominance and deterrence there. As our esteemed President stated before; We will come to the point where we will "sell air defense systems" to those who do not give us air defense systems with various excuses.

I hope that both of our projects, which will support our strong image of Turkey on the field and at the table, will bring good things to our country, and I congratulate those who contributed.”

Features of SİPER System​

PRODUCT-1 Missile with a range of 100+ kilometers is used in the SİPER system, which was developed under the coordination of the Presidency of Defense Industries in cooperation with ASELSAN, Roketsan and TÜBİTAK-SAGE . The system, which will enter the inventory next year with the PRODUCT-1 Missile, will be equipped with different 'interceptors' in the following period, especially the PRODUCT-2 Missile with a range of 150+ kilometers.

SİPER deliveries will begin in 2024 for the Air Forces Command.

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General Features of SİPER Air Defense System​

  • Air defense planning and coordination
  • Management and distribution of information within the scope of command and control
  • Combined aerial image production
  • Multiple engagement and sequential firing
  • Manual/semi-automatic/automatic engagement
  • Identification Friend or Foe (IFF)
  • Threat assessment and weapons allocation
  • Automatic diagnostic management
  • Multi-target multi-radar fusionBidirectional communication with missiles
  • Wired/wireless communication
  • Upright/oblique shot
  • Ability to work in difficult conditions
  • Interface with HvBS, Radnet connection
  • Connection to the higher command via tactical data links (Link-16, JREAP-C)
  • Embedded simulation
  • Ability to operate with 8 FFS units, each capable of firing 6 missiles

In the 2025-2028 Band in HİSAR​

Within the scope of the contract, additional HİSAR-A+ and HİSAR-O+ deliveries will be made to the Land Forces Command between 2025 and 2028.

HİSAR-A+ and HİSAR-O+ deliveries to the Air Forces Command will be completed between 2026-2027.




 

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