TR Air Defence Programs

[Cypro]

I think no problem if he is

Yea invite him to forum, a verified member, than he can use photos without copyright issues and we can use theirs.

 

[Anmdt]

I don't think the red circle indicates tracking range of Electro-optical.
Could it be maximum instrumental range of another missile?

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Could the red circle be pre-firing area of engagement? System perceives the object as a target if it trespasses the red circle??

If those are belonging to the radar then it could be either different ranges for different scanning speeds, or maximum detection & tracking ranges. The radar itself has tracking capability.
Otherwise, could be just guides for the operator in case of cooperation with other systems, like other launchers-other launcher groups.
At worst, just geoghraphic references but different color (red-yellow) makes it not possible.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Yes these forums are true gems for foreign intelligence services, making their work easier.. I have been to TRNC one and they were doing google searches like a regular guy and read google translated forum messages hahaha. Easier to gather info and make reports nowadays. Back in 90s and 2000s, TSK was so strict about media stuff, images and videos but now it just become a propaganda tool, they disclose everything instantly.

What Turkey was able to do in Idlib came as a complete surprise, termed by the west "as a new way of warfare".

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Hisar-A+ Autonomous : Completed
Hisar-A+ Truck Mounted: Completed
Hisar-O+: Passed the acceptance tests

Hisar-Rf (~60-65km) is loading

Siper is loading

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

If Hisar RF sees 40 km, let's kiss it and put it on our heads.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

If Hisar RF sees 40 km, let's kiss it and put it on our heads.

You know This was introduced at the Hisar-O+ qualification and longest range firing trials video. The circles and their ranges were calculated in left hand side image. It is known that Hisar-Rf will have a modified missile body to reach longer range than Hisar-O+ so 60km range is not impossible.

 

[what]

I'm no fan of oversharing in the defence industry, but we can trust these companies that they know what they are doing.

Also foreign intelligence will not rely on pictures in a forum, they have better sources. Sometimes we can be a bit paranoid.

 

[Turko]

Hisar-A+ Autonomous : Completed
Hisar-A+ Truck Mounted: Completed
Hisar-O+: Passed the acceptance tests
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Hisar-Rf (~60-65km) is loading
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Siper is loading
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Still i don't understand why Hisar A or A+ exist since Hisar A and O share same IIR seeker, RF datalink, double pulsed rocket, guidance mechanism, etc...?

If everyone wants Hisar O , why do they produce Hisar A/A+?

What are the problems and obstacles achieving Hisar O missiles?
Is the Problem with missiles or entire system ?
They almost produced all components of Hisar-O.

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

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Still i don't understand why Hisar A or A+ exist since Hisar A and O share same IIR seeker, RF datalink, double pulsed rocket, guidance mechanism, etc...?

If everyone wants Hisar O , why do they produce Hisar A/A+?

What are the problems and obstacles achieving Hisar O missiles?
Is the Problem with missiles or entire system ?
They almost produced all components of Hisar-O.

It does not cost us anyway, since many of its parts are common. However, if you are asking why there is such a missile, it is actually quite clear. Probably, 4 pieces of Hisar O cannot be loaded on the carrier tracked vehicle.

 

[dustdevil]

If Hisar RF sees 40 km, let's kiss it and put it on our heads.

We need boosters, the range will go above 100km very quickly. The space sounding rockets were multistage if I recall correctly, so who is holding Roketsan for tactical missiles?

Maybe they are already working on it...

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

We need boosters, the range will go above 100km very quickly. The space sounding rockets were multistage if I recall correctly, so who is holding Roketsan for tactical missiles?

Maybe they are already working on it...

Probably the Siper will already have a maximum range of 90 km. I think we will see the Siper - ER model like the Barak model, but we have to meet a certain standard in the characteristics of the missiles. If we are going to add booster to Hisar RF, why is there Siper?

 

[dustdevil]

Probably the Siper will already have a maximum range of 90 km. I think we will see the Siper - ER model like the Barak model, but we have to meet a certain standard in the characteristics of the missiles. If we are going to add booster to Hisar RF, why is there Siper?

My frustration:

The normal method: add booster to normal missiles to increase range. Accumulate some experience even if there are failures.

The other (Turkish) method: Let’s develop a long range missile with a lot of requirements first. We don’t know if booster will be used, we may consider only after we are done with this.

It must not be super hard to do this.

Mk-9 Guided Missile Launching System GMLS for RIM-2 Terrier SAM

www.seaforces.org

SPYDER (Surface-to-air Python and Derby)

www.globalsecurity.org

Eurosatory 2018: Ground launched SDB jointly made by Saab and Boeing | Eurosatory 2018 Official News Online | Defence security military exhibition 2018 daily news category

 

[Siper>MMU]

Hisar A+ Otonom is for protection of troops on movement. Ground Forces
Hisar A+ Towed is for use with AİC probably for Air Force
Hisar O+ is for defense of critical bases for Ground Forces
Hisar RF is to replace Hawk's for Air Force
Hisar Nokta is probably now called as Hisar RF
Hisar Üs/Liman will probably a longer range O+, for Naval Forces
G-40 replacement for ESSM, Naval Forces
Göktuğ/Göktuğ+ Will be abandoned in my opinion (Since we have better options than G-40 and Göktuğ probably they will never enter service in other forces)

 

[Siper>MMU]

Probably the Siper will already have a maximum range of 90 km. I think we will see the Siper - ER model like the Barak model, but we have to meet a certain standard in the characteristics of the missiles. If we are going to add booster to Hisar RF, why is there Siper?

Siper missiles look like SM-2 missiles in that battery composition photo. And with RF+IIR seeker as İsmail Demir said, we can expect a missile about SM-2 Block 3B. Also it can be used in naval systems, like SM-2. There is not such a missile other than SM-2.

 

[Hexciter]

I wonder members also calculates the mishaps of the usage of booster in ground applications which is not case in naval usage. This limits deployment and needs careful calculations.
PS. Civilian injury and death risk in the nearby due to falling discharged booster over them.

 

[Yasar_TR]

HİSAR A+’ın Üstün Başarısı: Daha İleriye Daha Yükseğe!

Milli ve yerli HİSAR A+ Hava Savunma Füze Sistemi'nin otonom konfigürasyonu, artırılmış irtifa ve menzil testinde yüksek hızlı hedef uçağı başarıyla imha etti.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Autonomous HisarA+ has good specs. But the most important and intriguing specification they have stated is the last one:
Ballistic protection.
That probably means it has ballistic missile hitting capabilities.

 

[Siper>MMU]

HİSAR A+’ın Üstün Başarısı: Daha İleriye Daha Yükseğe!

Milli ve yerli HİSAR A+ Hava Savunma Füze Sistemi'nin otonom konfigürasyonu, artırılmış irtifa ve menzil testinde yüksek hızlı hedef uçağı başarıyla imha etti.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Autonomous HisarA+ has good specs. But the most important and intriguing specification they have stated is the last one:
Ballistic protection.
That probably means it has ballistic missile hitting capabilities.

Ballistic protection means protection of vehicle against small arms fire such as 7,62 and 12.7 not ballistic missiles

 

[Siper>MMU]

If we fold hisar A missiles wings half way we can get 30cm radius free space Almost 1 more missile.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Ballistic protection means protection of vehicle against small arms fire such as 7,62 and 12.7 not ballistic missiles

You are right! That too is ballistic.

 

[Era_shield]

My frustration:

The normal method: add booster to normal missiles to increase range. Accumulate some experience even if there are failures.

The other (Turkish) method: Let’s develop a long range missile with a lot of requirements first. We don’t know if booster will be used, we may consider only after we are done with this.

It must not be super hard to do this.

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Mk-9 Guided Missile Launching System GMLS for RIM-2 Terrier SAM

www.seaforces.org

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SPYDER (Surface-to-air Python and Derby)

www.globalsecurity.org

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Eurosatory 2018: Ground launched SDB jointly made by Saab and Boeing | Eurosatory 2018 Official News Online | Defence security military exhibition 2018 daily news category

A booster increases the minimum effective range, so it may not be a good solution for some applications.