TR Air Defence Programs

[Combat-Master]

Do you see SIPER test missile "the Booster" is small one as length size compare to Aster 30 missile.
For me it means that they can put large one to increase range, my be later or if it is need it.

Maybe because it doesn't need such a large booster. If HISAR-O+ can reach 50km without a booster, then Siper can surely reach 100km - especially considering the fact that our missiles are equipped with dual-pulse rocket motors whilst Aster missiles do not.

 

[dustdevil]

It looks like the Atmaca booster, not sure if it's the same but that looks like a start:

1- test the booster technique with Hisar or a similar missile combined with a common booster
2- increase booster size, change diameter and length if required
3- increase missile diameter, add a longer wing (lenghtwise) to increase range

Maybe we can expect a family something like this in 5-10 years:

 

[TheInsider]

IMHO this is the 100km range missile rather than the 150km one. The booster is certainly a "composite" booster. There is no way it can be this compact otherwise. We know the airforce doesn't like boosters.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1456923161635790853

It is said that the design of the newly tested missile with the HİSAR RF is different.

 

[Combat-Master]

It looks like the Atmaca booster, not sure if it's the same but that looks like a start:

1- test the booster technique with Hisar or a similar missile combined with a common booster
2- increase booster size, change diameter and length if required
3- increase missile diameter, add a longer wing (lenghtwise) to increase range

Maybe we can expect a family something like this in 5-10 years:

An air defence missile to intercept short and intermediate-range ballistic missiles is a separate project, we suspect Tubitak SAGE is developing. Not related to Rokersan's developments - it is better to compare it to Aster family of missiles;

 

[akrepon]

Is this hisar U?

 

[Quasar]

Hard to make an assumption but the booster seems identical with ATMACA's booster

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Under normal conditions, I expected the 100km ranged Hisar-U to be fired before Siper but it is stated that this test firing belongs to the Siper. Maybe it could be an early stage ballistic test of the common subsystems between Hisar-U and Siper, such as seeker and booster, which are collected on the Hisar-Rf hull. We will wait and see the details soon

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1456926764270301185

The Siper Long Range Air Defense project will compete with the S-400s.

 

[dustdevil]

An air defence missile to intercept short and intermediate-range ballistic missiles is a separate project, we suspect Tubitak SAGE is developing. Not related to Rokersan's developments - it is better to compare it to Aster family of missiles;
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There will be cross pollination between those projects and the space sounding rocket projets. Once it is done, we won't have a problem about missile ranges. Same technique can also be used with smaller missiles (Gökdoğan/Bozdoğan) like Israel does with Spyder (Derby and Python).

 

[TheInsider]

Booster is probably derived from Atmaca. The seeker section(this is a ballistic test so there is no real seeker) is the same as Hisar-RF. Fins are foldable. Fins in the middle section moved a little bit higher. Overall the geometry is the same with Hisar-RF. This missile should be the 100km range missile. This shows the project is on track might be even a little ahead.

 

[TheInsider]

It seems like Hisar-U is renamed as Siper Block 1.

 

[AWP]

Under normal conditions, I expected the 100km ranged Hisar-U to be fired before Siper but it is stated that this test firing belongs to the Siper. Maybe it could be an early stage ballistic test of the common subsystems between Hisar-U and Siper, such as seeker and booster, which are collected on the Hisar-Rf hull. We will wait and see the details soon

exactly . I think that what we saw today is what we can call it a Test platform for the subsystems that will be used in Hisar-RF , Hisar U , Siper and any future X project .

 

[Combat-Master]

View attachment 35103

Hard to make an assumption but the booster seems identical with ATMACA's booster

That is a massive amount of thrust for such a missile, look at them diamonds

 

[Cabatli_TR]

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Hard to make an assumption but the booster seems identical with ATMACA's booster

If this is the Atmaca's booster, it means that the diameter of the missile is slimer than 350 mm. It is a really slim missile, and if we can reach 150km ranges with this missile, it will be an incredible improvement.

Barak-8 has 225mm diameter body, 540mm diameter with boosters and 940mm diameter with fins, and has a range of 100km.

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

Again, when i waiting for disappointment, I woke up with a new missile video in the morning.

Mod Edit: Memes not allowed in serious threads!

 

[TheInsider]

If this can be quad-packed into national VLS it will be an insane capability. Dual-packing will also be extremely good.

 

[Combat-Master]

If this is the Atmaca's booster, it means that the diameter of the missile is slimer than 350 mm. It is a really slim missile, and if we can reach 150km ranges with this missile, it will be an incredible improvement.

Barak-8 has 225mm diameter body, 540mm diameter with boosters and 940mm diameter with fins, and has a range of 100km.

Hoping they shrink the booster for naval variants, at 350mm it wouldn't be quad packable on naval vessels

Barak ER is a good comparison.

 

[TheInsider]

IMHO we can dual-pack this missile as is and quad pack with a new thinner booster design.

 

[dustdevil]

Comparing with Atmaca photos, the missile looks longer than Atmaca. Its diameter is smaller, if Atmaca is like Harpoon, somewhere around 20 and 25 centimeters. Rough calculation points to ~210mm, but considering ESSM is around 250mm, it could be bigger than 210 mm, and close to ESSM.

Hisar-RF frame looked very good, if the same length-diameter is used the wing changes will increase the range. IF the booster doubles the Hisar-RF range, and if Hisar-RF had 50 km range, this missile's range should be around 80-100km. I think 70-80 km is a safe number since it is a test missile and stock booster.

Just wild estimates and guesses....