TR Air Defence Programs

[Anmdt]

As @Anmdt explained before, unfortunately spreading tungsten bullets over residential area is not good.

American C-RAM use HE ammunition for residential areas instead of tungsten bullets.

Korkut has linkless dual feed that can use HE, AP or ATOM.

But C-RAM uses a special self detonate HE. (not sure how they do in a 20mm case, maybe something mechanical, not electronical)

I am not sure if we are producing HE 35mm bullet that can be set to self-destruct. Shouldn't be too hard to tweak ATOM's timer with a HE warhed but there should be an easier and cheaper way than using a controller.

 

[Heartbang]

But C-RAM uses a special self detonate HE. (not sure how they do in a 20mm case, maybe something mechanical, not electronical)

C-RAM's ammo type is defined as "high-explosive incendiary tracer, self-destruct" it is probably some kind of metal alloy designed to melt after some conditions are met.

 

[azaher77]

SSB President İsmail Demir:
- With the test we conducted a few days ago, we reached a range of more than 100 km in the SİPER project.
-We have a system similar to SAMP-T that we talked about in 2015.
- We have to establish our gradual air defense structure.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1595102609404313600

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

I wanted to make this post to gather all information we have got on the forum so more of us can benefit, and learn from each other. Sometimes a lot of different terms get used, and for some, it really does not make full sense. I wanted to mention different factors we use to determine how well an air defense system can work in times of crisis.


We have different kinds of seekers such as Active radar seeker+ IIR ( infrared seeker) + RF (Radio frequency). Its also possible to have a dual seeker head of Rf+IIR. This will help the air defense system missile to be more resistant to jamming and provide a better kill ratio.


Defense systems also use different engines such as single-pulse engines, dual-pulse engines, or dual-thrust engines. single pulse engine would be preferable to keep costs low, and a second pulse to engage highly maneuvering manned targets. Some systems have direct hit-to-kill capability, and some explode close to the incoming missile threat.



Then we have a datalink in an air defense system where the two-way datalink would be the most preferable option. A two-way datalink would allow the missile to send data back to ground stations to calculate a better solution to hit the smaller threats such as missiles, artillery, or bigger platforms such as drones/Jets.

Two-way datalink also provides the missile to be more resistant to jamming because it can both use the IIR seeker and RF seeker. As far as I'm concerned iir seeker can be affected by weather conditions, but rf seeker on the other way does not get affected by these conditions. That's why RF seekers are the most preferable options at longer ranges, while IR seekers perform better under heavy jamming conditions


As far as I'm concerned, Everything between Sungur to Hisar o+ will use IIR seekers, and Siper block 1 will use RF seekers. Block 2, and 3 will use both IIR, and RF seekers. Correct me if I'm wrong.


Now I will summarize all the factors i have mentioned:
- Seekers: active radar/semi active seeker IIR, RF, or dual hybrid seekers ( IIR+RF)
- Engines: such as single pulse, dual pulse engines or dual thrust engines.
- Datalink: one-way or two-way datalink.
- Speed of the missiles.


Can anyone explain more about the TCV booster concept and cold launch term?

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

I wanted to make this post to gather all information we have got on the forum so more of us can benefit, and learn from each other. Sometimes a lot of different terms get used, and for some, it really does not make full sense. I wanted to mention different factors we use to determine how well an air defense system can work in times of crisis.


We have different kinds of seekers such as Active radar seeker+ IIR ( infrared seeker) + RF (Radio frequency). Its also possible to have a dual seeker head of Rf+IIR. This will help the air defense system missile to be more resistant to jamming and provide a better kill ratio.


Defense systems also use different engines such as single-pulse engines, dual-pulse engines, or dual-thrust engines. single pulse engine would be preferable to keep costs low, and a second pulse to engage highly maneuvering manned targets. Some systems have direct hit-to-kill capability, and some explode close to the incoming missile threat.



Then we have a datalink in an air defense system where the two-way datalink would be the most preferable option. A two-way datalink would allow the missile to send data back to ground stations to calculate a better solution to hit the smaller threats such as missiles, artillery, or bigger platforms such as drones/Jets.

Two-way datalink also provides the missile to be more resistant to jamming because it can both use the IIR seeker and RF seeker. As far as I'm concerned iir seeker can be affected by weather conditions, but rf seeker on the other way does not get affected by these conditions. That's why RF seekers are the most preferable options at longer ranges, while IR seekers perform better under heavy jamming conditions


As far as I'm concerned, Everything between Sungur to Hisar o+ will use IIR seekers, and Siper block 1 will use RF seekers. Block 2, and 3 will use both IIR, and RF seekers. Correct me if I'm wrong.


Now I will summarize all the factors i have mentioned:
- Seekers: such as IIR, RF or dual hybrid seekers ( IIR+RF)
- Engines: such as single pulse, dual pulse engines or dual thrust engines.
- Datalink: one-way or two-way datalink.
- Speed of the missiles.


Can anyone explain more about the TCV booster concept and cold launch term?

I'm also wondering if the Hisar air defense systems will allow both IIR, and rf missiles in the same launchers and if they will have the same capability such as Barak MX to fire different missiles at different ranges in the same launcher. For example Hisar A+, Hisar o+, and super block 1 getting fired from the same launcher.

 

[Baryshx]

We should test land based MKEK 20mm CIWS on the border with Syria.

We should try all our new products on pkk/ypg in Syria. Feedback is important.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

I wanted to make this post to gather all information we have got on the forum so more of us can benefit, and learn from each other. Sometimes a lot of different terms get used, and for some, it really does not make full sense. I wanted to mention different factors we use to determine how well an air defense system can work in times of crisis.


We have different kinds of seekers such as Active radar seeker+ IIR ( infrared seeker) + RF (Radio frequency). Its also possible to have a dual seeker head of Rf+IIR. This will help the air defense system missile to be more resistant to jamming and provide a better kill ratio.


Defense systems also use different engines such as single-pulse engines, dual-pulse engines, or dual-thrust engines. single pulse engine would be preferable to keep costs low, and a second pulse to engage highly maneuvering manned targets. Some systems have direct hit-to-kill capability, and some explode close to the incoming missile threat.



Then we have a datalink in an air defense system where the two-way datalink would be the most preferable option. A two-way datalink would allow the missile to send data back to ground stations to calculate a better solution to hit the smaller threats such as missiles, artillery, or bigger platforms such as drones/Jets.

Two-way datalink also provides the missile to be more resistant to jamming because it can both use the IIR seeker and RF seeker. As far as I'm concerned iir seeker can be affected by weather conditions, but rf seeker on the other way does not get affected by these conditions. That's why RF seekers are the most preferable options at longer ranges, while IR seekers perform better under heavy jamming conditions


As far as I'm concerned, Everything between Sungur to Hisar o+ will use IIR seekers, and Siper block 1 will use RF seekers. Block 2, and 3 will use both IIR, and RF seekers. Correct me if I'm wrong.


Now I will summarize all the factors i have mentioned:
- Seekers: active radar/semi active seeker IIR, RF, or dual hybrid seekers ( IIR+RF)
- Engines: such as single pulse, dual pulse engines or dual thrust engines.
- Datalink: one-way or two-way datalink.
- Speed of the missiles.


Can anyone explain more about the TCV booster concept and cold launch term?

@Anmdt @Cabatli_TR @Yasar

Feel free to share your two cents. I think we members of the forum have understood the difference between the IIR, and RF seekers but perhaps not the differences between the active radar and the IIR/RF seekers. When it comes to datalink is it possible for a one-way datalink structure to have hybrid seekers (RF+iir)?

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Robosim air defence training and test center, unique in the World

 

[Baryshx]

We are bringing a technological infrastructure that is unique and unmatched in the world to our country.

ASELSAN ROBOSİM Open Field Test Infrastructure, where virtual tests are carried out with real air defense systems, can test our domestic and national systems with various scenarios.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1598669856152469508

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1598622120342220800

At the ZMA-15 delivery ceremony, a live demonstration was held on the playing field, accompanied by a generic scenario, at the Air Defense test and integration center ROBOSIM Open Test Field. This facility, which is unique in the world, simulates F-16 warplanes or target planes, and simulates the flank and ascent movements of single/multiple targets that air defense systems may encounter in real life. With the ROBOSIM infrastructure, performance tests of systems such as compelling target detection, tracking, and effectiveness verifications are carried out in a controlled, repeatable and safe test environment.

 

[azaher77]

wow

The first firing test of the National Vertical Launcher System (MIDLAS), manufactured by Roketsan, was successfully carried out.

MIDLAS will be integrated into the ISTANBUL frigate for the first time in 2023 and will enter the inventory of our Naval Forces.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1598935311941529600

 

[Fighter_35]

wow

The first firing test of the National Vertical Launcher System (MIDLAS), manufactured by Roketsan, was successfully carried out.

MIDLAS will be integrated into the ISTANBUL frigate for the first time in 2023 and will enter the inventory of our Naval Forces.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1598935311941529600

Just to perfect!! May Allah give power and brilliance to our engineers. Our nation is thankful to them.
And as a note, it is very good that they blur the vls systems sides!!

 

[Cabatli_TR]

8 Cell MIDLAS VLS

 

[Rodeo]

How many countries make their own VLS?

 

[Siper>MMU]

 

[AWP]

What an awesome achievement ,people need to understand that creating a VLS system is much harder than you think

May Allah bless all those who participated in this project

And thank you USA for pushing Turkey towards making their own VLS

 

[Cabatli_TR]

How many countries make their own VLS?

NATO mostly uses Mk41 series. France and Italy use Sylver VLS. China use HT-1 series. Russia has UKSK. Turkiye with MIDLAS. Not sure if there are other countries producing their own VLS.

 

[AWP]

The missile wings aren't folded which means that this VLS is not Quadpack

 

[Rodeo]

NATO mostly uses Mk41 series. France and Italy use Sylver VLS. China use HT-1 series. Russia has UKSK. Turkiye with MIDLAS. Not sure if there are other countries producing their own VLS.

What VLS do newly-commissioned Indian destroyers use?

 

[LordAragon]

NATO mostly uses Mk41 series. France and Italy use Sylver VLS. China use HT-1 series. Russia has UKSK. Turkiye with MIDLAS. Not sure if there are other countries producing their own VLS.

Korean uses K-vls system to launch their indigenous missiles, and cmiiw south africa has their own vls for umkhonto missiles

 

[Agha Sher]

The missile wings aren't folded which means that this VLS is not Quadpack

Like everything else on their ships, the VLS is likely imported.