TR Air Defence Programs

[Pokemonte13]

SAMPT system’s Aster 30 B1NT missile has a range of 150+ km and an operational altitude of 25+ km. It uses Pif-Paf course correction system that allows the missile to make precise and quick high G turns to be able to perform a hit to kill strike on the target whilst not being affected by decoys. The system‘s extra long range radar tracks a SRBM or MRBM during its midcourse and targets it to hit it in terminal phase. It can intercept missiles like Zircon, Iskander and Iranian hypersonic ballistic missiles.
But it can not intercept IRBMs (like Russian Oreshnik) or ICBMs. These missiles need to be intercepted at midcourse and need exoatmospheric interceptors like SM3 or Arrow3 Missiles.

Nevertheless the Aster30B1NT missile has shown a 92% successful kill rate in certification trials on 1500km range MRBMs.
It is also THE missile to intercept hypersonic missiles like Zircon or Kinzhal. However it is doubtful that it can intercept MIRVs or an Iranian Fatah-2 that carries an HGV.

If an agreement is reached that contained TOT, it would be invaluable to us for developing our own exoatmospheric missiles like SM3.

Additionally, we will know how to fight against ships that has these missiles.

Still have some issues believing that 150km range

 

[Strong AI]

Minister Güler said we are evaluating to acquire SAMP/T and Patriot systems.

Türkiye'den Patriot ve SAMP-T için yeşil ışık! Bakan Güler açıkladı

Haber 7 - Milli Savunma Bakanı Yaşar Güler, Türkiye'nin hava savunma kapasitesini güçlendirmek amacıyla SAMP-T ve Patriot hava savunma sistemlerinin satın alınması dahil tüm seçeneklerin değerlendirildiğini açıkladı.

m.haber7.com

 

[Sanchez]

Minister Güler said we are evaluating to acquire SAMP/T and Patriot systems.

Türkiye'den Patriot ve SAMP-T için yeşil ışık! Bakan Güler açıkladı

Haber 7 - Milli Savunma Bakanı Yaşar Güler, Türkiye'nin hava savunma kapasitesini güçlendirmek amacıyla SAMP-T ve Patriot hava savunma sistemlerinin satın alınması dahil tüm seçeneklerin değerlendirildiğini açıkladı.

m.haber7.com

Oh boy. S400 second system is also in the cards for sure

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2071841898923254174

ASELSAN continues to make strategic investments to meet growing demand and further enhance its manufacturing capabilities.
As part of this commitment, ASELSAN has commissioned its “Smart Munitions and Underwater Systems Additional Production and Test Centers”, representing a total investment of USD 40 million and encompassing 17,360 square meters of indoor space.
The new facilities significantly strengthen the Company's robotics and automation infrastructure for the production of Air and Naval Defense Systems, enhancing manufacturing capacity, accelerating delivery performance, and further improving quality standards.

 

[MonteCarlo]

Minister Güler said we are evaluating to acquire SAMP/T and Patriot systems.

Türkiye'den Patriot ve SAMP-T için yeşil ışık! Bakan Güler açıkladı

Haber 7 - Milli Savunma Bakanı Yaşar Güler, Türkiye'nin hava savunma kapasitesini güçlendirmek amacıyla SAMP-T ve Patriot hava savunma sistemlerinin satın alınması dahil tüm seçeneklerin değerlendirildiğini açıkladı.

m.haber7.com

How are we planning to receive Patriots in a reasonable timeframe when even the European countries with long standing orders can't receive their orders?

 

[boredaf]

How are we planning to receive Patriots in a reasonable timeframe when even the European countries with long standing orders can't receive their orders?

We are not, they are just talking for the sake of talking. You can say you consider anything you want, doesn't mean anything.

 

[MonteCarlo]

First Hisar A launcher and more İHTAR C-uas systems to Air force plus new ALP-300G to land forces (should be third AFAIK).

Overall very good week in terms of Air defense deliveries. Only thing missing is a HİSAR-O delivery

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2072611153595785539

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2072616851230609719

 

[Pokemonte13]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2072639551831527898

This is a nice analysis
He says/guesses that truck Hisar A will serve together Trailer Korkut as shorad for siper systems.
Makes sense Siper has need of close protection as we have seen in Russia and this is the most economical answer for that maybe even some energy weapons will be integrated.

 

[Strong AI]

At the demonstration attended by 64 participants from 24 countries, TOLGA SHORAD successfully neutralised drone threats, including Shahed-type, across seven different scenarios with a 100% success rate.

By integrating soft-kill and hard-kill capabilities through both mobile and fixed command-and-control centres, TOLGA delivered layered short-range air defence at ranges of up to 10,000 metres.

Detected the threat with radar and acoustic systems.
Identified and tracked the target with our electro-optical system.
Suppressed and neutralised the threat using our jammer system.
Neutralised the target at 1,000 metres with our vehicle-mounted and fixed-turret 20 mm weapon systems.
Conducted engagement at 300 metres with our vehicle-mounted and fixed-turret 12.7 mm QCB and 12.7 mm rotary weapon systems.

 

[Saithan]

At the demonstration attended by 64 participants from 24 countries, TOLGA SHORAD successfully neutralised drone threats, including Shahed-type, across seven different scenarios with a 100% success rate.

By integrating soft-kill and hard-kill capabilities through both mobile and fixed command-and-control centres, TOLGA delivered layered short-range air defence at ranges of up to 10,000 metres.

Detected the threat with radar and acoustic systems.
Identified and tracked the target with our electro-optical system.
Suppressed and neutralised the threat using our jammer system.
Neutralised the target at 1,000 metres with our vehicle-mounted and fixed-turret 20 mm weapon systems.
Conducted engagement at 300 metres with our vehicle-mounted and fixed-turret 12.7 mm QCB and 12.7 mm rotary weapon systems.

I'd really like it if Ukraine would send some of their drone specialist to perform against our AD systems, and get their input on how we could improve on them.

It'd be really awesome if we could deliver some Tolga systems to Ukraine.

 

[Pokemonte13]

I'd really like it if Ukraine would send some of their drone specialist to perform against our AD systems, and get their input on how we could improve on them.

It'd be really awesome if we could deliver some Tolga systems to Ukraine.

I would like to know what the 20mm munition is because it looks like it detonates close to the target but i dont see any device at the muzzle for programming. Maybe proximity but that would make it more expensive that atom

 

[Yasar_TR]

We are not, they are just talking for the sake of talking. You can say you consider anything you want, doesn't mean anything.

Bro that is a logical assessment.
But if we play devil’s advocate, could it be because we still could not manage to perfect Pif-Paf manoeuvring in missiles and by buying or joining a co-production cycle will help us. (Both pac3MSE and Aster30-B1NT missiles use pif-paf system. With limited TOT it could be advantageous)

However, Tubitak had already tested their FYDS (Füze Yönelim Değiştirme Sistemi, as shown in below article) whereby certain technologies obtained from this system was incorporated in to Bozdogan and Gokdogan missiles’ TVC systems.

It may well be that they were not quite at a position to fully apply it in missiles. So they need a bit of quick help.

It has to be remembered that even Aster30 B1NT missile’s pif-paf system is not really effective at very high and near space altitudes. They are still working on it with their Aster30 B2 missile that should be potentially effective against 3000km range IRBMs.

TÜBİTAK-SAGE füze yönelim kontrol teknolojisi geliştiriyor | SavunmaSanayiST

TÜBİTAK Savunma Sanayii Araştırma ve Geliştirme Enstitüsü (SAGE), hava savunma sistemleri için füze yönelim kontrol teknolojisi geliştirdiğini açıkladı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[boredaf]

Bro that is a logical assessment.
But if we play devil’s advocate, could it be because we still could not manage to perfect Pif-Paf manoeuvring in missiles and by buying or joining a co-production cycle will help us. (Both pac3MSE and Aster30-B1NT missiles use pif-paf system. With limited TOT it could be advantageous)

However, Tubitak had already tested their FYDS (Füze Yönelim Değiştirme Sistemi, as shown in below article) whereby certain technologies obtained from this system was incorporated in to Bozdogan and Gokdogan missiles’ TVC systems.

It may well be that they were not quite at a position to fully apply it in missiles. So they need a bit of quick help.

It has to be remembered that even Aster30 B1NT missile’s pif-paf system is not really effective at very high and near space altitudes. They are still working on it with their Aster30 B2 missile that should be potentially effective against 3000km range IRBMs.

TÜBİTAK-SAGE füze yönelim kontrol teknolojisi geliştiriyor | SavunmaSanayiST

TÜBİTAK Savunma Sanayii Araştırma ve Geliştirme Enstitüsü (SAGE), hava savunma sistemleri için füze yönelim kontrol teknolojisi geliştirdiğini açıkladı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Oh, I fully believe this is the real reason why we want to get Samp-T, I just don't believe we are truly after the Patriot. Even with production increases the wait list is still obscenely long and I don't believe they ever do TOT (not that we would just take one apart to see what makes it tick); which was the main reason why we didn't get them in the first place iirc.

I would like to know what the 20mm munition is because it looks like it detonates close to the target but i dont see any device at the muzzle for programming. Maybe proximity but that would make it more expensive that atom

MKE keeps emphasising cost-efficiency, so, I think they are just going old fashioned like flak shells with timed fuses with a set distance (probably set at some distance before the given maximum distance), rather than programmable or proximity.

 

[Pokemonte13]

MKE keeps emphasising cost-efficiency, so, I think they are just going old fashioned like flak shells with timed fuses with a set distance (probably set at some distance before the given maximum distance), rather than programmable or proximity.

Atom is more or less a time fuze the difference is that it is programmed once it leaves the barrel. Maybe it has like fixed time fuzes for different ranges (250m 500m 750m ...)and the rounds are programmed before being fired like in the belt.

 

[TR_123456]

Oh, I fully believe this is the real reason why we want to get Samp-T, I just don't believe we are truly after the Patriot. Even with production increases the wait list is still obscenely long and I don't believe they ever do TOT (not that we would just take one apart to see what makes it tick); which was the main reason why we didn't get them in the first place iirc.

The reason could be totaly different,something like just business.
Economic reason,nothing to do with development or ability.
Produce all in Türkiye cheap.
So,just money.

 

[Strong AI]

The SUNGUR Air Defence Missile System successfully destroyed its target with a direct hit during the live-fire test.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2073060801867337754

 

[Sanchez]

The SUNGUR Air Defence Missile System successfully destroyed its target with a direct hit during the live-fire test.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2073060801867337754

Still no sign of Vuran Sungur 5 years later.