TR Air Defence Programs

[MonteCarlo]

1.47 billion dollars additional Air Defence serial production deal between SSB and Aselsan.

Edit: sorry it is 1.47 billion Euro not dollars so more like 1.68 billion dollars

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2075489440168857658

The deal is for HİSAR-A and HİSAR-O apparently. Should be very high quantity thinking the size of the deal

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2075501768587264155

 

[fushkee]

Just quick question;
How many of air defence missiles do we stock per each Hisar systems/launcher and Siper as well.
I’m asking that because we h have been hearing many news which says that “that much system has been delivered to the army, etc..”

 

[Sanchez]

Just quick question;
How many of air defence missiles do we stock per each Hisar systems/launcher and Siper as well.
I’m asking that because we h have been hearing many news which says that “that much system has been delivered to the army, etc..”

Only information we have is the number of ready to fire missiles in the launchers, which we cam surmise from the number of canisters. Even then, we know that first deliveries were made with lighter loads as it took some time for the missile production to ramp up.

System/battery level reloads and other possible stocks are not made public.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

1.47 billion dollars additional Air Defence serial production deal between SSB and Aselsan.

Edit: sorry it is 1.47 billion Euro not dollars so more like 1.68 billion dollars

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2075489440168857658

Thats alot of money and thats mean lots of air defence batteries .
Any estimate how many batteries Türkiye needs ?!
25 Hisar -A
35 Hisar O
30 - Siper 1
20- Siper 2
+ all other components of çelik Kubbe like korkut , laser guns , Electronic warfare korals etc etc
?

 

[MonteCarlo]

Thats alot of money and thats mean lots of air defence batteries .
Any estimate how many batteries Türkiye needs ?!
25 Hisar -A
35 Hisar O
30 - Siper 1
20- Siper 2
+ all other components of çelik Kubbe like korkut , laser guns , Electronic warfare korals etc etc
?

Siper 1 and Siper 2 is the same system just different missiles.


Someone made a study about how much systems we would need and their result was:

- 16 SİPER batteries
- 30 HİSAR-RF batteries
- 50 HİSAR-O batteries
- 60 KORKUT batteries
- 90 set GÜRZ
At minumum and:

22 x SİPER 30 x HİSAR-RF 50 x HİSAR-O 80 x KORKUT 100 x GÜRZ
Ideally

Hisar o and RF is the same thing as well just iir vs radar seeker so take that as 80 hisars

Here is the link to the thread

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2000224486193303825

 

[Pokemonte13]

Thats alot of money and thats mean lots of air defence batteries .
Any estimate how many batteries Türkiye needs ?!
25 Hisar -A
35 Hisar O
30 - Siper 1
20- Siper 2
+ all other components of çelik Kubbe like korkut , laser guns , Electronic warfare korals etc etc
?

Couple of things here:
1. Siper 1 and 2 are not different batteries just different missiles the same will be Siper 3 and Siper A. One air defence system with different missiles.
2. Hisar A and O numbers will vary and any credible number will be hard to know

 

[Pokemonte13]

Siper 1 and Siper 2 is the same system just different missiles.


Someone made a study about how much systems we would need and their result was:

- 16 batarya SİPER
- 30 batarya HİSAR-RF
- 50 batarya HİSAR-O
- 60 batarya KORKUT
- 90 set GÜRZ
At minumum and:

22 x SİPER 30 x HİSAR-RF 50 x HİSAR-O 80 x KORKUT 100 x GÜRZ
Ideally

Hisar o and RF is the same thing as well just iir vs radar seeker so take that as 80 hisars

Here is the link to the thread

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2000224486193303825

These numbers are just thought and not based on any needs of the armed forces. Also there is no difference between a Hisar O and Hisar RF battery just different missiles

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Siper 1 and Siper 2 is the same system just different missiles.


Someone made a study about how much systems we would need and their result was:

- 16 SİPER batteries
- 30 HİSAR-RF batteries
- 50 HİSAR-O batteries
- 60 KORKUT batteries
- 90 set GÜRZ
At minumum and:

22 x SİPER 30 x HİSAR-RF 50 x HİSAR-O 80 x KORKUT 100 x GÜRZ
Ideally

Hisar o and RF is the same thing as well just iir vs radar seeker so take that as 80 hisars

Here is the link to the thread

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2000224486193303825

So Hisar iir doest care about steath of airctaft but only lock in to thermal part like engines ! But how it work ! Doesnt it require radar to guide the missile ! And can even big anti air missiles equip with iir like siper 2 with range over 200km ?!

 

[YeşilVatan]

I always wondered if towed submersible extra-mini USVs could be a part of something like this. You have a long cable that would send electricity and data, then the small swimming apparatus communicates with the missile, gets data from sattelites etc., has optical sensors for more small scale 'stealth' AA area denial. Just a towed sensor that has its own little electric engine and sensors like AESA radar etc. Shouldn't be much bigger than a jetski.

 

[Sanchez]

Looks like the German Pac-3 in Malatya is now active.

Deutsche Patriot-Einheit in der Türkei einsatzbereit

Eine Patriot-Einheit hat im Südosten des NATO-Bündnisgebiets den Schutz des Luftraums in der Region Malatya übernommen.

www.bundeswehr.de

 

[UkroTurk]

Since Türkiye joined Europe’s deep precision strike group and also made agreements with MBDA , is there any chance if we have this new anti hypersonic missiles?

EU Signs Grant for MBDA-Led HYDIS Hypersonic Interceptor Project - Naval News

The European Commission and MBDA sign agreements for the HYDIS project, launching a 3-year concept phase for the AQUILA hypersonic missile interceptor.

www.navalnews.com

The European Commission and MBDA sign agreements for the HYDIS project, launching a 3-year concept phase for the AQUILA hypersonic missile interceptor

The HYDIS consortium brings together 19 partners and more than 30 subcontractors from 14 countries, uniting major defence industrial players, research organisations, innovative SMEs, and universities. HYDIS forms a central pillar of Europe’s collective effort to build a credible, future-ready counter-hypersonic capability. By maturing critical technologies and evaluating potential interceptor architectures, the initiative aims to identify the optimal solution for addressing the defence challenges of the coming decades.​

AQUILA

AQUILA is MBDA’s first interceptor concept specifically designed to counter hypersonic threats.

www.mbda-systems.com

The HYDIS² consortium brings together 19 partners and more than 20 subcontractors in 14 European countries. The partners are ArianeGroup, AVIO, Avio Aero, Bayern-Chemie, CIRA, DLR, GKN Fokker, LYNRED, MBDA España, MBDA France, MBDA Germany, MBDA Italia, OHB System AG, ONERA, ROXEL France, THALES LAS France, TDW, THALES Netherlands and TNO.