TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Lool]

At first I thought that the arms procurement talks were fake since Turkishfacts4u reported it but ragip soylu is also reporting something similar; thus, we can safely assume that the deal is actually true and talks are still ongoing

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1616531171990544385

 

[Nutuk]

“Once they are delivered, the upgrades and the modernisation of command and control systems would take at least 18 months to two years,” the source added.

I can't imagine that our navy is even considering this crap.

Supose taking into service: 6 - 12 months
command and control system: 18 - 24 months.

WTF? Why even bother? In 3 years we can build indigenous brandnew ships with VLS systems, own AA missiles.

Such a purchase would border treason

 

[Yasar_TR]

Like I've said in TF-X thread as a reply to your post back then on posts 5295 and 5313, GCAP engine will be based on the Anglo-Japanese design based on RR XG240 and IHI XF9.

No, it doesn't have any direct link to Orpheus and even less to the Pearl family of engines, which are built for biz jets.

According to this video RR, with Orpheus engine, intends to use technologies within it for the Tempest engine project.
Tempest engine will be an Adaptive Cycle engine. But according to this video, it will also have components of technology that will relate it to the Orpheus.

 

[Windchime]

According to this video RR, with Orpheus engine, intends to use technologies within it for the Tempest engine project.
Tempest engine will be an Adaptive Cycle engine. But according to this video, it will also have components of technology that will relate it to the Orpheus.

Go back and read my post 5313 on TF-X thread again. I've already answered regarding this video you've posted here/back then on the TF-X thread.

Long story short, RR will develop and test some new techniques of development and manufacturing processes with Orpheus. Obviously this will trickle down into their later engines. This however doesn't mean the GCAP engine will be "based" on Orpheus/Pearl, as you've said. Those are two very different statements.

 

[Anmdt]

I can't imagine that our navy is even considering this crap.

They have good collection of evaluation forms.
What is bugging me the most, most of the people speaking on this matter have no idea of which platforms were evaluated by TN in last 10 years.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1619763509922766848

 

[Heartbang]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1619763509922766848

With all due respect, dafuq can he do?

 

[GoatsMilk]

With all due respect, dafuq can he do?

Nothing. All this loud mouth barking is just for domestic consumption, ak party voter love all the tough talk even if their politicians are constantly losing. Get booted out the F35 then go begging for inferior F16's and get rejected and then talk like you hold any cards. AK party politics baby, total failure.

 

[I_Love_F16]

Nothing. All this loud mouth barking is just for domestic consumption, ak party voter love all the tough talk even if their politicians are constantly losing. Get booted out the F35 then go begging for inferior F16's and get rejected and then bark like you hold any cards. AK party politics baby, total failure.

Exactly. Just empty talks, as always. He shouldn't have bought that Shitty 400 at the beginning. Now we are without F-35's and F-16's.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Exactly. Just empty talks, as always. He shouldn't have bought that Shitty 400 at the beginning. Now we are without F-35's and F-16's.

its like all the bullshit "We can come suddenly one night" when in reality he's begging them for an opening.

S400 was a russian trap and the political islamists dived head first into. Just failure after failure from these guys. Greece will be loving watching AK party crippling Turkiye's relationship with the west.

If the Turkish fighter jet turns out to be a failure, these next 50 years are going to be really difficult for Turkiye.

 

[Brokengineer]

Exactly. Just empty talks, as always. He shouldn't have bought that Shitty 400 at the beginning. Now we are without F-35's and F-16's.

Are you sure that we are going to have the f35s, if we do not receive s400. Of course, it wont, given how misaligned US-TR relationship in many cases. Instead of fooling ourselves, we need to accept the truth.
If you blame the government with its foreign policy with US, then i may understand complaint.
Do not forget that Turkish military industry exists today due to sanctions have been applied for decades.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Are you sure that we are going to have the f35s, if we do not receive s400. Of course, it wont, given how misaligned US-TR relationship in many cases. Instead of fooling ourselves, we need to accept the truth.
If you blame the government with its foreign policy with US, then i may understand complaint.
Do not forget that Turkish military industry exists today due to sanctions have been applied for decades.

I've been of the opinion for a long long time that the USA will always look to screw Turkiye. The problem is that doesnt mean you make it easy for them. Its like a football match the oppositions wants to score against you, that doesnt mean you take the ball and put in your own net.

Joining the american/isreali war against Assad was another own goal scored by the political islamists. Only after the americans got their YPG state in Syria did the media narrative shift to Turks killing Kurds from Turks fighting PKK sepratists.

These guys are not there to become super wealthy, they are there to win for the nation and get results. Thats all, no more and no less.

Everything rests on the TFX succeeding, because if it doesnt we are facing really difficult times. Because you could face a situation 20 years from now where your rivals have the best fighter jets going while Turkiye is trying to keep her old f16 fleet operational, while the USA messes us about when trying to obtain parts for them.

 

[Cypro]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1619763509922766848

Actually Biden did whatever he can, which was really surprising. But just like how some don't understand how a guy can burn a quran in the street, they can't understand separation of powers, democracy etc. Most of AKP voters and even members think whole world is working like their one guy system.. Sure Biden can decide / give them whenever he wants and not giving because he does not want, ironically probably the US will give F16s but I think RTE will sabotage the deal in favor of elections and populism.

 

[Heartbang]

Actually Biden did whatever he can, which was really surprising. But just like how some don't understand how a guy can burn a quran in the street, they can't understand separation of powers, democracy etc. Most of AKP voters and even members think whole world is working like their one guy system.. Sure Biden can decide / give them whenever he wants and not giving because he does not want, ironically probably the US will give F16s but I think RTE will sabotage the deal in favor of elections and populism.

Is he going to litigate this matter in the US courts?

 

[I_Love_F16]

Are you sure that we are going to have the f35s, if we do not receive s400. Of course, it wont, given how misaligned US-TR relationship in many cases. Instead of fooling ourselves, we need to accept the truth.
If you blame the government with its foreign policy with US, then i may understand complaint.
Do not forget that Turkish military industry exists today due to sanctions have been applied for decades.

Yes, we could have had those F-35's. Greece, Iran and Russia wouldn't have dared to threaten Turkiye like they're doing right now if we had those planes. With those F-35's in our inventory, we could have gained more experience with 5th Gen tech, expanding even more TUSAS capabilities and resources, while retaining Air superiority in the region. Instead, Erdogan is begging the US to sell us F-16's, while doing the same for used Eurofighters.

We could have kissed the US butt for a few years until we got the TF-X ready, and showing them the middle finger. Instead, we got useless S-400's.

At the end of the day, it's all about being smart. We played foolishly, and now we have to pay the price.

 

[Cypro]

Is he going to litigate this matter in the US courts?

If you mean F-35 deal, that was an intergovernmental agreement which the US courts can't have any authority over it. Plus if I am not wrong I remember the partnership deal itself has some stuff preventing such legal actions like going courts. If the US didn't have that S400 excuse, it cannot booted out Turkiye, but again it has to be solved between governments. I don't know if The Hague can accept that kind of case. But eventually the US will compensate Turkiye, it has to, otherwise it is a type of piracy which is not only poisoning the US-Turkiye relations but the US would look bad and unreliable. That is why these talks are continuing, and process is long, both sides still have hope to recover at some point, like who knows, a new President might be elected in Turkiye which would severe ties with Russia and remove S400. Or the US decides F35 is no longer a strategic asset and suddenly give those seized fighters. Even Ukraine war changed a lot of things.

 

[Rooxbar]

Everybody wants to screw everybody else, but the uncouth childish diplomacy language and attitude of AKP, along with its attempts to build soft power in middle-east by showing teeth to the west, has lead to a tarnished image of our country, which helps form public opinion abroad and make it easier for western powers to put pressure. Like this whole Sweden-Finland thing could have been handled much more delicately, not helping draw this belligerent image of Turkey; but no, they have to blow into the trumpet and make everything a rallying cry for their uneducated voter base.

 

[Nutuk]

Did I miss something?

Did the US decide not to give F16's?

 

[Nilgiri]

Actually Biden did whatever he can

No he didn't.

If he kept things in certain muffled noises tier, and didnt bring them up in more potent tiers....he didn't do "whatever he could".

This matter barely got mentioned anywhere in US media (I follow it across the board quite regularly), not even a faintest of scratches....because it simply never even came up in a press briefing or statement of note by Biden (that he could easily have done if he cares so much about its opposition in US legislature, lobby groups et al.)

If you mean F-35 deal, that was an intergovernmental agreement which the US courts can't have any authority over it. Plus if I am not wrong I remember the partnership deal itself has some stuff preventing such legal actions like going courts. If the US didn't have that S400 excuse, it cannot booted out Turkiye, but again it has to be solved between governments. I don't know if The Hague can accept that kind of case. But eventually the US will compensate Turkiye, it has to, otherwise it is a type of piracy which is not only poisoning the US-Turkiye relations but the US would look bad and unreliable. That is why these talks are continuing, and process is long, both sides still have hope to recover at some point, like who knows, a new President might be elected in Turkiye which would severe ties with Russia and remove S400. Or the US decides F35 is no longer a strategic asset and suddenly give those seized fighters. Even Ukraine war changed a lot of things.

The S-400 decision IMO was a colossal mistake by Turkiye.

It gave the easiest of outs for US deep state to shut down conversation on it on their terms within their outer edifice (the more temporal govt).

Turkiye must better understand how to make things in that process as hard as possible....not the reverse.

 

[Zafer]

Actually Biden did whatever he can, which was really surprising. But just like how some don't understand how a guy can burn a quran in the street, they can't understand separation of powers, democracy etc. Most of AKP voters and even members think whole world is working like their one guy system.. Sure Biden can decide / give them whenever he wants and not giving because he does not want, ironically probably the US will give F16s but I think RTE will sabotage the deal in favor of elections and populism.

We have seen that America is weak.