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[Yasar_TR]

BAE Systems offers to upgrade Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jet for Türkiye with electronic warfare capabilities

BAE Systems offers to upgrade Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jet for Türkiye with electronic warfare capabilities

armyrecognition.com

BAE Systems has offered to upgrade the Typhoon aircraft Türkiye is planning to purchase with presumably the latest version of the Aesa radar and EW capabilities.
If the ECRSMk2 radar is agreed upon, this radar system as a whole, not only gives cutting edge Aesa radar performance, but also with its EW capability makes the plane stealthier against enemy radars. This is a hybrid, GaAs/GaN based Aesa radar with, theoretically, unprecedented performance levels. This radar and this plane would give TuAF a definite advantage over most of our adversaries in the region in the interim period.

 

[TR_123456]

BAE Systems has offered to upgrade the Typhoon aircraft Türkiye is planning to purchase with presumably the latest version of the Aesa radar and EW capabilities.

Doesnt the latest version of the EF come with the latest AESA radar and EW capabilities already?
Does this mean we are getting second hand EF's,like tranch 1 or 2?

 

[Huelague]

BAE Systems offers to upgrade Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jet for Türkiye with electronic warfare capabilities

BAE Systems offers to upgrade Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jet for Türkiye with electronic warfare capabilities

armyrecognition.com

BAE Systems has offered to upgrade the Typhoon aircraft Türkiye is planning to purchase with presumably the latest version of the Aesa radar and EW capabilities.
If the ECRSMk2 radar is agreed upon, this radar system as a whole, not only gives cutting edge Aesa radar performance, but also with its EW capability makes the plane stealthier against enemy radars. This is a hybrid, GaAs/GaN based Aesa radar with, theoretically, unprecedented performance levels. This radar and this plane would give TuAF a definite advantage over most of our adversaries in the region in the interim period.

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Why not using our own stuffs ?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Doesnt the latest version of the EF come with the latest AESA radar and EW capabilities already?
Does this mean we are getting second hand EF's,like tranch 1 or 2?

There are, as far as I know, three versions of ECRS Aesa radars, if you do not count the mechanical one, the ECRS-M.
Mk0 was the Leonardo-UK developed one (Qatari planes have this).
Then came the Hensoldt developed one which is Mk1. This is the latest one on German Tranche-4 planes being built.
The latest Leonardo UK development is the Mk2. That Aesa radar just completed its final tests.
All ECRS radars can be applied to any typhoon jet. Tranche-1 may need extensive and costly upgrades. So not feasible for the latest radars.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Why not using our own stuffs ?

It needs all new domestically developed avionics and radar etc to be compatible with EF2000. Not feasible.

Edit:
If we were to buy 120 planes. Yes it would be worth it.

 

[Strong AI]

The Turkish Air Force Command has published a recruitment announcement for the 2024 Pilot Class Commissioned Officer Candidates from graduates of universities or higher education institutions with at least four years of education. For detailed information, you can visit https://personeltemin.msb.gov.tr.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1850525934803112092

 

[somegoodusername]

Why not using our own stuffs ?

How many additional billions of dollars you have, and how many extra years you want to wait before procuring these platforms? You can't just change subsystems of a plane.

 

[Huelague]

You can't just change subsystems of a plane.

As we do with Azeri planes?

 

[somegoodusername]

As we do with Azeri planes?

How many years of effort it took? How much did it cost? If you want Europeans to integrate our systems they will give you a large bill, even if they accept it first.

 

[Sanchez]

As we do with Azeri planes?

Su-25 is somewhere between outdated to obsolete. Merhale-1 mod only added UBAS. Merhale-2 mod will include avionics upgrades which is still some years away and Su-25 is an aircraft TAI, Aselsan and Roketsan knows pretty intimately.

Eurofighter is not outdated, in fact it's more modern that anything we have right now. Why pay billions for things to just replace them. We'd be more than happy with some mission computer access and weapons integration if it came to it. Noone will sell us "hulls" to put our own stuff in. And our companies have no idea about the aircraft's inner workings.

 

[Strong AI]

"Pilots receive training against air defense at EHTES.

The Turkish Air Force provides air defense system training to pilots at EHTES (Electronic Warfare Test and Training Area). The system, developed by HAVELSAN, is located in Konya. HAVELSAN has also exported a similar system to Pakistan and Saudi Arabia."

 

[Strong AI]

"With the initial payment made for the supply of F-16 Block 70, the contracts have come into effect. Technical discussions continue with U.S. government officials and representatives of the manufacturing company regarding the procurement of the F-16 Block 70 aircraft."

Son dakika: MSB'den savaş uçağı açıklaması: Anlaşma tamam

Haber 7 - Milli Savunma Bakanlığı'ndan gelen son dakika açıklamasına göre; F-16 Blok-70 tedariki kapsamında başlangıç ödemesinin yapılmasıyla birlikte sözleşmeler yürürlüğe girdi.

www.haber7.com

 

[Saithan]

"With the initial payment made for the supply of F-16 Block 70, the contracts have come into effect. Technical discussions continue with U.S. government officials and representatives of the manufacturing company regarding the procurement of the F-16 Block 70 aircraft."

Son dakika: MSB'den savaş uçağı açıklaması: Anlaşma tamam

Haber 7 - Milli Savunma Bakanlığı'ndan gelen son dakika açıklamasına göre; F-16 Blok-70 tedariki kapsamında başlangıç ödemesinin yapılmasıyla birlikte sözleşmeler yürürlüğe girdi.

www.haber7.com

is it normal to make a "downpayment" before technical discussions ? I thought all that was sorted out before you make a downpayment.

 

[Sanchez]

Still no LOA mention. Give me strength.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851935312353665078

 

[Saithan]

Still no LOA mention. Give me strength.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851935312353665078

So they're BS'ing as much as they're worth while omitting Letter of Acceptance ?

Are we the ones going to get the letter or the US ?

 

[Strong AI]

Still no LOA mention. Give me strength.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851935312353665078

Already signed in June

Türkiye signs letter of offer, acceptance for F-16 jets from US

Türkiye has signed a letter of offer and acceptance for the purchase of F-16 fighter jets from the United States, the U.S. State Department confirmed,...

www.dailysabah.com

And thats why i assume

With the initial payment made for the supply of F-16 Block 70, the contracts have come into effect.

 

[Sanchez]

Already signed in June

Türkiye signs letter of offer, acceptance for F-16 jets from US

Türkiye has signed a letter of offer and acceptance for the purchase of F-16 fighter jets from the United States, the U.S. State Department confirmed,...

www.dailysabah.com

And thats why i assume

I simply don't believe that newspiece. LM didn't announce it for the stock exchange, neither did the US media. I think it's a mistranslation and this is not a done deal yet. Let's see.

 

[Strong AI]

I simply don't believe that newspiece. LM didn't announce it for the stock exchange, neither did the US media. I think it's a mistranslation and this is not a done deal yet. Let's see.

How about this one?

Türkiye signs F-16 LOA

Türkiye has signed a letter of acceptance (LOA) for new and upgraded Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcons that were approved earlier in 2024.

www.janes.com

 

[Saithan]

I was thinking the same, but if companies usually announce these things, then I'd very much like to know why they haven't... I do expect foul play.

 

[Sanchez]

How about this one?

Türkiye signs F-16 LOA

Türkiye has signed a letter of acceptance (LOA) for new and upgraded Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcons that were approved earlier in 2024.

www.janes.com

That is better

I was thinking the same, but if companies usually announce these things, then I'd very much like to know why they haven't... I do expect foul play.

Not necessarily foul play, but at the least, specifics are not yet decided upon. That means longer delivery schedule, which I think is our biggest problem right now.