TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Yasar_TR]

According to Greeks we are planning to but 300 Meteor missiles, i could not find something like that.

Are the neighbours spreading lies?

You should be able to make the math yourself; Typhoon’s maximum meteor number is 8.
4 under fuselage and 2 under each wing. But in air superiority set up, it has 6 meteors and 2 WVR missiles.

40 planes will need 240 meteors if you set them up as air superiority fighters. There should be a good number of spares and test and practice missiles too.
In normal runs it should carry 4 meteors. That alone makes 160 missiles. A complete set of spares will bring the tally above 300.

 

[Hannibal]

Has any Turkish official ever claimed otherwise? They have all said that it will still be inferior to F-22/F-35 in some areas. They have even confirmed that this aircraft as a first block will not deliver the performance they are aiming for but will at least be superior to the GEN 4.5 aircraft.
So what do they want? That Turkey should fly with paper airplanes?
The TAI KAAN project is not a superiority fighter that should outperform all others, but a price-performance stealth fighter that can be exported everywhere!

Edit: The admin was quicker, the troll was banned

No, actually it was said that Kaan would be better than the F-35.
The only special thing about the F-35 is the stealth coating, and maybe the sensor fusion. In all other aspects, Kaan will be superior:

• It will carry more A2A missiles
• Supercruise capability
• More maneuverability
• More electricity generation
• More powerful radars

The RAM paint and sensor fusion are the most critical parts that TAI needs to get right (for operational capability).

Contrary to what others think, they can probably force an engine, that isn't as reliable as Western engines but gets the job done in terms of TVC and reduced IR signature. Similar to what the Chinese did with the WS-15.

 

[Turkic]

You should be able to make the math yourself; Typhoon’s maximum meteor number is 8.
4 under fuselage and 2 under each wing. But in air superiority set up, it has 6 meteors and 2 WVR missiles.

40 planes will need 240 meteors if you set them up as air superiority fighters. There should be a good number of spares and test and practice missiles too.
In normal runs it should carry 4 meteors. That alone makes 160 missiles. A complete set of spares will bring the tally above 300.

I think we need more. Kamikaze drones share a great piece from the cake of modern war doctrine. We can add cruise missiles to this. When Iran attacked Israel, we saw Isreali, British and US air forces shooting those with A2A missiles. And since these missiles and drones are being launched in large numbers at wars, we would need a lot of A2A missiles. I'm aware that Gökdoğan would be a better choice in matter of price but it wouldn't be bad if we got some extra Meteor's too.

 

[Sanchez]

and maybe the sensor fusion

Literally the hardest thing to achieve for a next gen fighter aircraft. It deserves a bit more than "maybe".

 

[Yasar_TR]

I think we need more. Kamikaze drones share a great piece from the cake of modern war doctrine. We can add cruise missiles to this. When Iran attacked Israel, we saw Isreali, British and US air forces shooting those with A2A missiles. And since these missiles and drones are being launched in large numbers at wars, we would need a lot of A2A missiles. I'm aware that Gökdoğa would be a better choice in matter of price but it wouldn't be bad if we got some extra Meteor's too.

To even contemplate shooting a 20 to 50 thousand dollar kamikaze drone with a state of the art 3 million dollar meteor is madness.
A missile like meteor is specifically built to bring down fast fighter jets 30 to 50 times pricier than itself.
For such drones, Koral and Sungur is the best medicine.
Talking about Meteor; It is high time we should be fire testing our Gökhan by now. It would be wasteful if we spend all that money on Meteors, when we are close to having our own ramjet powered a2a missile.

 

[Turkic]

To even contemplate shooting a 20 to 50 thousand dollar kamikaze drone with a state of the art 3 million dollar meteor is madness.
A missile like meteor is specifically built to bring down fast fighter jets 30 to 50 times pricier than itself.
For such drones, Koral and Sungur is the best medicine.
Talking about Meteor; It is high time we should be fire testing our Gökhan by now. It would be wasteful if we spend all that money on Meteors, when we are close to having our own ramjet powered a2a missile.

I just said 'some' extra. Also they used 1-2 million dollar a2a missiles to stop those Iranian 20 to 50k dollar kamikaze drones, not me.

 

[Yasar_TR]

I just said 'some' extra. Also they used 1-2 million dollar a2a missiles to stop those Iranian 20 to 50k dollar kamikaze drones, not me.

They did that to show solidarity with Israel.
There is also the point whereby a 50 thousand dollar drone is targeting a 1 billion dollar air defence system or a civilian and/or strategically important military settlement. Then you have to stop that drone with whatever means you have available to yourself , irrespective of it’s cost.
But shooting drones with expensive a2a missiles actually shows the inefficiency of a layered air defence system whereby it is the prime duty of that air defence system to intercept those drones with suitable interceptors.

 

[Bilge adam reis]

To even contemplate shooting a 20 to 50 thousand dollar kamikaze drone with a state of the art 3 million dollar meteor is madness.
A missile like meteor is specifically built to bring down fast fighter jets 30 to 50 times pricier than itself.
For such drones, Koral and Sungur is the best medicine.
Talking about Meteor; It is high time we should be fire testing our Gökhan by now. It would be wasteful if we spend all that money on Meteors, when we are close to having our own ramjet powered a2a missile.

We still couldn't even get the gezgin out I would say give it some time.

 

[dBSPL]

While developing our own ramjet-propelled anti-aircraft missile, the presence of the Meteor missile, which is a reference in this field, in the inventory of the Air Force will definitely be a plus factor. It is not only the balancing of the Greek air threat, but also the training activities of the air force in exercises, without relying on paper specs or digital simulation environment, that will allow direct comparison and improvement both fleet tactical and system specs; here it may be necessary to open a separate parenthesis on the capabilities of the 401st squadron. As a related example, one of the reasons why we have so much confidence in Bozdogan and Gokdogan missiles is that TAF is already among the world's one of the most important operators of AIM-120s and Sidewinder missiles.

Of course, depending on the quality and size of the procurement, we should not assume that every foreign procurement is detrimental to domestic industrial activity. In this context, both on the industrial side and in terms of the tactical capabilities of our air force, we should see the Meteors in a good move.

 

[dBSPL]

Although I have not been able to verify the source, It is speculated that until the reorganization of the Syrian air force is completed, the Turkish air force will temporarily deploy 2 squadron size air force to protect and support of Syrian airspace. If this news is true, the bases will probably also be used for training the Syrian air force.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1885818900572754321

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Although I have not been able to verify the source, It is speculated that until the reorganization of the Syrian air force is completed, the Turkish air force will temporarily deploy 2 squadron size air force to protect and support of Syrian airspace. If this news is true, the bases will probably also be used for training the Syrian air force.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1885818900572754321

For some, a very big pill to swallow.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

The development of Gezgin (Tomahawk equivalent) and Gökhan (MDBA Meteor equivalent) must definitely be accelerated.
Greece is very afraid that the import of the MDBA Meteor will not only give Turkey a weapon to exert great pressure in the Aegean.
But that Turkey can significantly improve the Gökhan missile with later blocks through deep analysis and reverse engineering. Because you then have a reference model in your hands to improve your own product. Imagine Gökhan as Block II would have a range of 200 km with a real no escape zone of 100 km, Greece and Cyprus can then buy as many Rafaele and F-35 as they want as naval version as two-stage booster/ramjet missile and as A2A ramjet missile they would face unsolvable challenges for Greece & Co. As Turkey can produce more as needed and improve them with additional blocks with multispectral seekers.

 

[hugh]

Although I have not been able to verify the source, It is speculated that until the reorganization of the Syrian air force is completed, the Turkish air force will temporarily deploy 2 squadron size air force to protect and support of Syrian airspace. If this news is true, the bases will probably also be used for training the Syrian air force.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1885818900572754321

It's meaningless unless we have the quality and the capacity to counteract Israel's air force. And unfortunately we will need a decade to reach that stage.

 

[BaburKhan]

The development of Gezgin (Tomahawk equivalent) and Gökhan (MDBA Meteor equivalent) must definitely be accelerated.
Greece is very afraid that the import of the MDBA Meteor will not only give Turkey a weapon to exert great pressure in the Aegean.
But that Turkey can significantly improve the Gökhan missile with later blocks through deep analysis and reverse engineering. Because you then have a reference model in your hands to improve your own product. Imagine Gökhan as Block II would have a range of 200 km with a real no escape zone of 100 km, Greece and Cyprus can then buy as many Rafaele and F-35 as they want as naval version as two-stage booster/ramjet missile and as A2A ramjet missile they would face unsolvable challenges for Greece & Co. As Turkey can produce more as needed and improve them with additional blocks with multispectral seekers.

Gökhan will have a Range up to 200 km +, Gökhan ER likely up to 400 km like the chinese PL-21.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1885674276948242843

 

[Bilge adam reis]

Gökhan will have a Range up to 200 km +, Gökhan ER likely up to 400 km like the chinese PL-21.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1885674276948242843

How are they the best missiles when they are still in testing phase? Some of them isn't even made yet also bozdoğan and gökdoğan were to enter service in 2023 they are still not even serially produced.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Gökhan will have a Range up to 200 km +, Gökhan ER likely up to 400 km like the chinese PL-21.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1885674276948242843

However, these are not the real ranges, but rather the estimated ranges. The Meteor's range is also 100-+150km with a zero escape zone of 60-70 km.
If at all, you can only reach such ranges if you fire your missiles top down to the target.

But I say that with reservations, I got the information from a German fighter pilot.

 

[I_Love_F16]

However, these are not the real ranges, but rather the estimated ranges. The Meteor's range is also 100-+150km with a zero escape zone of 60-70 km.
If at all, you can only reach such ranges if you fire your missiles top down to the target.

But I say that with reservations, I got the information from a German fighter pilot.

You can do those kind of ranges when conditions are ideal, typically when you fly at higher altitude and at greater speed. So not always the case.

 

[Bilge adam reis]

However, these are not the real ranges, but rather the estimated ranges. The Meteor's range is also 100-+150km with a zero escape zone of 60-70 km.
If at all, you can only reach such ranges if you fire your missiles top down to the target.

But I say that with reservations, I got the information from a German fighter pilot.

60 to 70km for a deadzone is Impressive are we counting up the AWACS support or just the AESA radar?

 

[Ryder]

It's meaningless unless we have the quality and the capacity to counteract Israel's air force. And unfortunately we will need a decade to reach that stage.

Imagine if Turkiye had the F35B no doubt that would have levelled the playing field when the Turkish naval aviation squad can send planes to deter Israel.

Basically sends a message to the Israelis, Greeks, Haftar of Libya and Egypt.

 

[Bilge adam reis]

Imagine if Turkiye had the F35B no doubt that would have levelled the playing field when the Turkish naval aviation squad can send planes to deter Israel.

Basically sends a message to the Israelis, Greeks, Haftar of Libya and Egypt.

Even with F35's you are not deterring Israeli air force buddy.