TR Aircraft Carrier & Amphibious Ship Programs

[Anmdt]

"Possible Start Date for the Construction of MUGEM is 2029"

"The National Aircraft Carrier Project (MUGEM) started this year with the Preliminary and Contract Design Directive given by the Turkish Naval Forces Command to the Design Project Office Directorate within the Naval Technical Command. The design and construction processes of the MUGEM Project are expected to take five years each, with the design to be completed in 2028, construction to start in 2029 and commissioning in 2034.

Preliminary and Contract Design is underway and all design processes, including detail design, will be completed within the next four years. In this process, it is possible that various differences may occur compared to the first design presented.

"It seems likely that the construction of the MUGEM will be carried out on the 202-meter-long, 38-meter-wide and 5-degree inclined slipway at the TGM Istanbul Shipyard Command, and that the construction of the MUGEM will begin after the launching of the TF-2000, which will start its construction on the same slipway in 2025."

MUGEM'in İnşası İçin Muhtemel Başlangıç Tarihi 2029

Milli Uçak Gemisi Projesi (MUGEM), bu yıl içerisinde Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri Komutanlığı tarafından Deniz Teknik Komutanlığı bünyesinde bulunan Dizayn Proje Ofisi Müdürlüğüne verilen Ön ve Kontrat Dizayn Direktifi ile başladı. MUGEM Projesinde tasarım ile inşa süreçlerinin 5'er yıl sürmesi; 2028...

www.navalinsider.com

@Anmdt what do you think?

Article contains incorrect information, but nearly accurate for Aircraft Carrier's milestones. This is roughly what we may assume by rationale. And i honestly don't think we will be capable of finalizing detail design (or construction level design) by 2029. Best fit is completion of preliminary and contract design phases by 2029, commencing the construction after clearance of the Dry Dock (launching of TF-2000).

First of all, TF-2000 and Aircraft Carrier can't be built simultaneously. And TF-2000 will be in service 2032 (partially), and fully by 2035. Assume AC in service by 2040. Reasonable date considering finances and other technologies to develop, and also by 2040 all 4 TF-2000 will be in service.

Yet again, i wouldn't hesitate to call a construction in 2029 as ceremonial, we have a lot to mature through the AC design process. That is quite alien stuff to us and nowhere in the same class as LHD.

If so, the TF-2000's steel cut may be held together with TCG Trakya, however i heard little to none about the redesign process and i would be disappointed if it is all Spaniards doing the design work and not sharing any know-how or ToT. I expected some design offices within TR would take part in the redesign process and at least, acquire & own IP rights of the new design.

 

[Turkic]

TF-2000 ve Milli Uçak Gemisi için ilk sac kesimleri tamamlandı

Türkiye’nin deniz gücünü daha modern, etkili ve küresel ölçekte güçlü kılmayı hedefleyen projeler hız kesmeden ilerliyor.

gdh.digital

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1874749747996553363

First steel cutting for MUGEM and TF-2000 has been made and construction of Milden is ongoing

 

[Fuzuli NL]

TF-2000 ve Milli Uçak Gemisi için ilk sac kesimleri tamamlandı

Türkiye’nin deniz gücünü daha modern, etkili ve küresel ölçekte güçlü kılmayı hedefleyen projeler hız kesmeden ilerliyor.

gdh.digital

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1874749747996553363

First steel cutting for MUGEM and TF-2000 has been made and construction of Milden is ongoing

31 naval vessels being built in different stages at the same time. Quite impressive!

 

[2033]

Which aircraft will be used on the aircraft carrier? If it is for the Hürjet, it would be unnecessary. Unmanned aircrafts are still weak.

Will there be a naval version of Kaan? I think it is definitely not worth building an aircraft carrier for any aircraft other than the Kaan.

 

[B_A]

Which aircraft will be used on the aircraft carrier? If it is for the Hürjet, it would be unnecessary. Unmanned aircrafts are still weak.

Will there be a naval version of Kaan? I think it is definitely not worth building an aircraft carrier for any aircraft other than the Kaan.

it must be Kaan naval version or a same level thing.

If not,we should only build Anadolu class.

We shouldnt buy FA18 or Rafale or even MIG29K

 

[Turkic]

We will get F-35's at the end. Just like we got F-4's despite Cyprus. So it will be F-35's and Kızılelma's imo. AI's second leap in this decade is expected to happen in 2 years. AI will be able to command and control a war itself earlier than we expect. It's a matter of decides of decision makers then. (Seeing a naval Kaan would be nice tho)

 

[Hannibal]

Numbers going around saying aircraft carrier will take form by 2027, ready for the elections in 2028, anyone confirm or is it bullshit?

 

[Turkic]

Directorate of Comunnications shared an article from Chinese "The Paper"

Türkiye’nin büyük hırsla başlattığı MUGEM Uçak Gemisi Projesi (Çin)

Türkiye Cumhuriyeti Cumhurbaşkanlığı İletişim Başkanlığı Resmî Sitesi

www.iletisim.gov.tr

Here is an important part (Google translated)

"Türkiye plans to equip the MUGEM class aircraft carrier with approximately 50 aircraft. The naval variant of Hürjet, developed by TAI, is being considered as the ship's main combat aircraft. Hürjet's poor performance may create difficulties in using the full capacity of this ship. However, unmanned aerial vehicles can compensate for this shortcoming."

 

[Miskin]

By the time carrier is ready (2032-33) we will have;
Kızılelma (serial production)
Anka-3 (serial production)
Hürjet (naval, near serial production)
Tei 35k engine (near serial production)

At that point, I think either Baykar alone (Piaggio experience) or with TUSAŞ (Kaan experience) will make a manned jet based on Kızılelma (which will already have working avionics and be navalised) in relatively short time (4-5 years).

 

[dBSPL]

Directorate of Comunnications shared an article from Chinese "The Paper"

Türkiye’nin büyük hırsla başlattığı MUGEM Uçak Gemisi Projesi (Çin)

Türkiye Cumhuriyeti Cumhurbaşkanlığı İletişim Başkanlığı Resmî Sitesi

www.iletisim.gov.tr

Here is an important part (Google translated)

"Türkiye plans to equip the MUGEM class aircraft carrier with approximately 50 aircraft. The naval variant of Hürjet, developed by TAI, is being considered as the ship's main combat aircraft. Hürjet's poor performance may create difficulties in using the full capacity of this ship. However, unmanned aerial vehicles can compensate for this shortcoming."

If the planning for the Hürjet is evolving towards combatant, then we must have access to an engine with a combat power of over 100kN. And this engine must be in diameter that there is no need to change the Hürjet airframe. Otherwise, this planning will either lead to a new platform developing and a restart of most of the processes, or the capacity of the existing engine will limit the naval air force.

By the time carrier is ready (2032-33) we will have;
Kızılelma (serial production)
Anka-3 (serial production)
Hürjet (naval, near serial production)
Tei 35k engine (near serial production)

At that point, I think either Baykar alone (Piaggio experience) or with TUSAŞ (Kaan experience) will make a manned jet based on Kızılelma (which will already have working avionics and be navalised) in relatively short time (4-5 years).

The fact that MUGEM is being designing so that the catapult system is fitted for but not with, indicates that this will be a very long journey. Even after the ship enters service, it will undergo more than a decade of refits, additional integrations and upgrades. Therefore, in addition to the systems that exist today, there will also be air platforms that will directly emerge from the MUGEM project in the near future. In addition, shipborne fixed-wing aircrafts will enter naval aviation and their organization within the joint forces will be very detailed. I look at MUGEM as a school or a milestone that symbolizes the birth of Turkish naval combatant aviation rather than at an operational level. We will learn a lot and what we learn will add a whole new perspective to our military industries, especially our aviation industry.

 

[Sanchez]

Director of Naval Forces Design Project Office Assoc. Prof. Dr. Colonel Uçar:

"In this way, we have also determined the propulsion power and propulsion system that the ship will need. We have carried out multidimensional maritime analyses to ensure that our ship can operate even in the worst weather conditions in the world's seas. We are working on the ship's three-dimensional layout plans. In order for our air vehicles to be deployed to MUGEM to safely perform take-off tests from the flight ramp, we first designed the land-based flight ramp. The construction of the test ramp is currently underway.

We are following the development of our national pride KAAN with great appreciation and wish to have it on our National Aircraft Carrier. KAAN was designed to take off and land from conventional runways. Special modifications are required for it to be able to operate from an aircraft carrier. We are continuing to exchange information with TUSAŞ so that KAAN, whose prototype production is currently ongoing, can take off and land from our ship in the event that its naval version is produced.

As a result of the design studies, the ship will have a displacement of approximately 60 thousand tons (the amount of water displaced), a width of 72 m and a full length of 285 m. The flight deck will have two take-off runways with 3 raceways and 1 landing runway. The short-range take-off and rope-catch system STOBAR for aircraft will also be installed. It will be able to travel 10 thousand nautical miles without refueling. In other words, it will be able to go from Istanbul to New York and back. It will be able to reach a maximum speed of 25 knots (45 km) with its main propulsion system consisting of 4 gas turbines. It will be able to perform sea missions with a capacity of at least 50 manned and unmanned aerial vehicles.

SABAH Türkiye’nin ilk uçak gemisini tasarlayan ekiple buluştu: Mavi Vatana yüzer havalimanı

ÜRETİM SÜRESİ KISALTILACAK Gemi bloklar halinde tasarlandı. Mega bloklar inşa edilerek, parçalar birleştirilecek. Modüler inşa tekniği ile geminin üretim...

www.sabah.com.tr

 

[Hannibal]

Director of Naval Forces Design Project Office Assoc. Prof. Dr. Colonel Uçar:

"In this way, we have also determined the propulsion power and propulsion system that the ship will need. We have carried out multidimensional maritime analyses to ensure that our ship can operate even in the worst weather conditions in the world's seas. We are working on the ship's three-dimensional layout plans. In order for our air vehicles to be deployed to MUGEM to safely perform take-off tests from the flight ramp, we first designed the land-based flight ramp. The construction of the test ramp is currently underway.

We are following the development of our national pride KAAN with great appreciation and wish to have it on our National Aircraft Carrier. KAAN was designed to take off and land from conventional runways. Special modifications are required for it to be able to operate from an aircraft carrier. We are continuing to exchange information with TUSAŞ so that KAAN, whose prototype production is currently ongoing, can take off and land from our ship in the event that its naval version is produced.

As a result of the design studies, the ship will have a displacement of approximately 60 thousand tons (the amount of water displaced), a width of 72 m and a full length of 285 m. The flight deck will have two take-off runways with 3 raceways and 1 landing runway. The short-range take-off and rope-catch system STOBAR for aircraft will also be installed. It will be able to travel 10 thousand nautical miles without refueling. In other words, it will be able to go from Istanbul to New York and back. It will be able to reach a maximum speed of 25 knots (45 km) with its main propulsion system consisting of 4 gas turbines. It will be able to perform sea missions with a capacity of at least 50 manned and unmanned aerial vehicles.

SABAH Türkiye’nin ilk uçak gemisini tasarlayan ekiple buluştu: Mavi Vatana yüzer havalimanı

ÜRETİM SÜRESİ KISALTILACAK Gemi bloklar halinde tasarlandı. Mega bloklar inşa edilerek, parçalar birleştirilecek. Modüler inşa tekniği ile geminin üretim...

www.sabah.com.tr

3 Runways. 2 Takeoff and 1 landing.

In CATOBAR version could it become 3 takeoff, 1 landing?

 

[Sanchez]

3 Runways. 2 Takeoff and 1 landing.

In CATOBAR version could it become 3 takeoff, 1 landing?

Not with the current layout, no. "Raceways" here refer to launch positions. Port side positions overlap, one is for larger aircraft/higher MTOW requirements.