TR Altay Main Battle Tank & Related Programs

[Hexciter]

Turret is Altay but the gun is still the L44 from the Leopard.

It still looks to me as a heavily modified Leo2

 

[CAN_TR]

 

[Huelague]

Greek newspapers are now well used to the conspiracy. There is no evidence in their claims. They just think the armor is alike. In Altay, three-layer armor developed by Roketsan, RHA, Composite and ERA, will be used. Of these, only ERA may have received support from Ukraine in armor.

That’s what Germans claimed.

 

[Huelague]

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Is it against the rules, if I say I have a harder?

 

[Anthony]

It still looks to me as a heavily modified Leo2

I agree. It makes no sense to replace the Leo2 turret with an Altays and then revert back to a L44.

 

[AzeriTank]

If you compare to the mock up of 2015 with the recently shown one, the differences are so huge that one could argue that it is a different thing altogether. The recently shown product of the AKKOR looks like an almost finished product.

Don't jump to conclusions when one is trying to be helpful in answering you.

2015 idef Turkish engineer said that they did many live shots and demonstrated it to Turkish officials.. he said their main goal is to be able to stop other tank fires with this system, i guess it might be late because of that and look at it, unlike previous design the AKKOR system is in the front of the tank, which shows again that its final design able to stop tank ammunition too, i think they also changed the deign that in the future you can add more canister as in the previous design you coulnt add more as it was specifically designed for 2..

 

[AzeriTank]

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i think they should make the same design for Altay tanks for the front lamps, it looks very unique... i just love the design... i really wish update it in the future..

 

[Test7]

i think they should make the same design for Altay tanks for the front lamps, it looks very unique... i just love the design... i really wish update it in the future..

The lighting system is embedded in the body. This can be a handicap. The lighting angle of the left and right areas will therefore be narrower. Of course, this is a prototype. They will be tested to achieve the best.

 

[Brave Janissary]

A good and most detailed article about Altay and Altay Turreted Leopard ;

5 Soruda Leopard 2TR1 (LEOTAY) ve Altay T1 MOD 2021 Nedir ?

Bilindiği gibi Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri ve Savunma Sanayi Başkanlığı Milli Altay Tankı projesi ve Leopard 2A4 tanklarının modernizesi proje...

gerceksavunmasanayi.blogspot.com

 

[Huelague]

I would shape side armour of the turret. Maybe Merkava IV like .

 

[AzeriTank]

I would shape side armour of the turret. Maybe Merkava IV like .

with new technology, it doesn't make much difference anymore to be honest...

 

[adenl]

Altay ve Altay kuleli Leopard 2A4 ana muharebe tankları göz önüne çıktı

Millî Savunma Bakanı Hulusi Akar beraberinde Genelkurmay Başkanı Orgeneral Yaşar Güler, Kara Kuvvetleri Komutanı Orgeneral Ümit Dündar ve Millî Savunma

www.defenceturk.net

According to defenceturk, the 'leotay' is a private project by BMC to showcase their technological capabilities and is not (yet) accepted by the army.

"Leopard 2A4 tank with Altay turret Following the signing ceremony in which the New Generation Three Storm Howitzer was delivered to the Turkish Armed Forces, Minister Akar and Commanders watched the demonstration in which the driving and capabilities of armored vehicles produced by BMC were exhibited. While the main battle tank developed by BMC with the Altay tower integration on the Leopard 2A4 tank, the protocol was introduced with the expression "Leopard 2A4 tank with Altay turret". Leopard 2A4s in the TAF's inventory were supplied second hand from Germany with two packages of 298 and 56 units after 2005. As part of the efforts to increase the capabilities of Leopard 2A4 main battle tanks in accordance with today's modern combat conditions, the modernization activities are officially carried out by ASELSAN and ROKETSAN. The said Leopard 2A4 with Altai tower was developed as a result of the company initiative, with the aim of displaying talent. However, it is unknown whether the modernization package will be implemented in the future."

 

[Nutuk]

Although it seems now that the Leopard 2A4 with Altay turret is a demonstrator made by BMC, everyone like the idea very much.

I personally would like it if a number (say 50) of the Leopards are modified like this (instead of begging the Germans for engines) and gain some time for de development of indigenous engine for Altay and do the rest of the Leopard 2A4 upgrades in a cheaper way with addon armor retaining the original turret (but Akkor is a must!)

 

[adenl]

Although it seems now that the Leopard 2A4 with Altay turret is a demonstrator made by BMC, everyone like the idea very much.

I personally would like it if a number (say 50) of the Leopards are modified like this (instead of begging the Germans for engines) and gain some time for de development of indigenous engine for Altay and do the rest of the Leopard 2A4 upgrades in a cheaper way with addon armor retaining the original turret (but Akkor is a must!)

The shorter L44 gun is great for urban warfare, especially with all the sensors, detectors and APS. The Turkish army could go for a specialized urban warfare brigade of 120 of these upgraded 'Leotays'. They need to add a detachable bulldozer in the front and drone capability and it's ready to go.

 

[CAN_TR]

The shorter L44 gun is great for urban warfare, especially with all the sensors, detectors and APS. The Turkish army could go for a specialized urban warfare brigade of 120 of these upgraded 'Leotays'. They need to add a detachable bulldozer in the front and drone capability and it's ready to go.

Urban warfare? The L55 is just 1.3m longer than the L44 and has 20% more penetration. The L44 is in no way obsolete but if you can add L55 you better do it.

MKE hopefully starts working on 130mm gun which has 50% more penetration power compared to the L55. Especially for Altay T3 a good option.

 

[adenl]

Urban warfare? The L55 is just 1.3m longer than the L44 and has 20% more penetration. The L44 is in no way obsolete but if you can add L55 you better do it.

Have you forgotten what happened in south-east Turkey in 2016? Have you forgotten the entire Syrian conflict where urbane warfare was just as prevalent as warfare outside of population centers?

In an urban environment the shorter the barrel, the better, as urban warfare does not need the high kinetic penetration capability in tank-on-tank fighting, rather it needs high-explosive and/or blast-fragmentation capability which is just as effective as in the L44 as in the L55.

 

[Timur]

in urban warefare isnt it better to use ifv and mortar systems or medium w. tanks?

 

[Brave Janissary]

Urban warfare? The L55 is just 1.3m longer than the L44 and has 20% more penetration. The L44 is in no way obsolete but if you can add L55 you better do it.

MKE hopefully starts working on 130mm gun which has 50% more penetration power compared to the L55. Especially for Altay T3 a good option.
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Bro before the 130mm gun, mkek needs learn to make a good apfsds ammos. They are still make a shitty apfsds ammo's who not better than or equal to dm33 apfsds

 

[Combat-Master]

Bro before the 130mm gun, mkek needs learn to make a good apfsds ammos. They are still make a shitty apfsds ammo's who not better than or equal to dm33 apfsds

According to whom is this the case ?

 

[CAN_TR]

Have you forgotten what happened in south-east Turkey in 2016? Have you forgotten the entire Syrian conflict where urbane warfare was just as prevalent as warfare outside of population centers?

In an urban environment the shorter the barrel, the better, as urban warfare does not need the high kinetic penetration capability in tank-on-tank fighting, rather it needs high-explosive and/or blast-fragmentation capability which is just as effective as in the L44 as in the L55.

For urban warfare you better choose a IFV, Tanks are not really that effective.