TR Altay Main Battle Tank & Related Programs

[Yasar_TR]

In theory yes,
How about when you need to fit it into a tank? Which would fit easier?
A hydraulic which needs a pump and hydraulic reserve + drivers or a simple electrical engine to drive the turret?

No brainier ! Electric!

 

[Anmdt]

Quite:
Yaklaşık 700 milyon Euro'ya TCK'nın Leopar tankları yenilenecek.

Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayii Başkanlığı (SSB) tarafından açılan ihale kapsamında 81 + 250 (Opsiyon) Leopard 2A4 tankı modernize edilecek.
Unquote.


According to Sozcu newspaper, 81+250 Leopard 2a4 tanks will be modernised for a price of 700million Euros. That makes 2.11 million Euro per tank.
That is cheap! When finished we will have a tank as good as Leo2a6+
Era armour, new tarret and front add on armour, ballistic protection cage for the back, Pulat active protection System, Laser warning system, SARP remote control gun, short distance surveillance system, driver view finder, audio warning system etc etc. Aselsan, Roketsan and BMC will be cooperating in the modernisation.

250 is the option,
It is very lesslikely to include options in the price so the given contract value is for 81 units.
Which means ~$9 million per vehicle could be sign of installing the Altay turret as shown by BMC

 

[500]

I’m wishing electric suspension as with the Merkava 4. @500 Do you have comment on this?

First turret drives were actually electric. But they were slow. Then hydraulic turret drives appeared which were much faster but very flammable (Sherman, Patton). Modern hydraulics are much less flammable but still better to have pure electric (which are now fast enough).

 

[Hexciter]

First turret drives were actually electric. But they were slow. Then hydraulic turret drives appeared which were much faster but very flammable (Sherman, Patton). Modern hydraulics are much less flammable but still better to have pure electric (which are now fast enough).

Thks
Do Merkava’s have electric suspension also?

 

[CAN_TR]

WOW $700 million for 81 Tanks, i feel so sorry for ROKETSAN and the engineers, coming with such a good solution but "losing" to the most hilarious option.

 

[Yasar_TR]

250 is the option,
It is very lesslikely to include options in the price so the given contract value is for 81 units.
Which means ~$9 million per vehicle could be sign of installing the Altay turret as shown by BMC

If this is the case then it is outrageously expensive! Even with an Altay turret!

 

[Sinan]

Patch of Akkor(Active Protection System)

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In the last 11 years we saw many 3D animations, mock-ups, now a patch but not the qualified product.

 

[Sinan]

WOW $700 million for 81 Tanks, i feel so sorry for ROKETSAN and the engineers, coming with such a good solution but "losing" to the most hilarious option.

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Yeah, i forgot about Ethem Sancak.....

 

[Turko]

We could produce 81 medium weight new tanks with the latest technology and could upgrade Leo's with roketsans ERA.
What's wrong with Leo's current turret which is neat and tide? Why especially do they need ALTAY turret?


Are there sanctions on Caterpillar engines of KAPLAN MMWT? Why don't they go for MMWT until they are able to produce tank engine?

Crazy questions roaming in my head

 

[Hexciter]

We could produce 81 medium weight new tanks with the latest technology and could upgrade Leo's with roketsans ERA.
What's wrong with Leo's current turret which is neat and tide? Why especially do they need ALTAY turret?


Are there sanctions on Caterpillar engines of KAPLAN MMWT? Why don't they go for MMWT until they are able to produce tank engine?

Crazy questions roaming in my head

I know the situation as like that:
Versions of Leopard 2 up to A4 have fixed armour which is very difficult to upgrade. Because of that Germans kept A5 versions but sold the previous versions as second hand. They’re upgrading A5’s to A6 and A7. The only A5 or newer variants outside are directly bought as first hand (i.e. Greece, Spain etc.).
I think this will clear the why of installing a new turret can be cheaper that modifiying the previous.

 

[Turko]

I know the situation as like that:
Versions of Leopard 2 up to A4 have fixed armour which is very difficult to upgrade. Because of that Germans kept A5 versions but sold the previous versions as second hand. They’re upgrading A5’s to A6 and A7. The only A5 or newer variants outside are directly bought as first hand (i.e. Greece, Spain etc.).
I think this will clear the why.

Okay, if the problem were the upgrading armour, I'd say: Roketsan has already solved the armor problem then!

 

[Nutuk]

Another goldberg for BMC

 

[Anmdt]

If this is the case then it is outrageously expensive! Even with an Altay turret!

I don't know about the source but it depends on how did they mention it.
Did they mention +250 as "optional" or "second batch".
Like "upgrade will be done in two batches of 81 and 250 units,or
"upgrade of 81 will be done, 250 are optional"
Also it is very less likely for remaining leopards not to be upgrades. It matters how did they mention it but it really seems expensive for an upgrade.

 

[Yasar_TR]

I don't know about the source but it depends on how did they mention it.
Did they mention +250 as "optional" or "second batch".
Like "upgrade will be done in two batches of 81 and 250 units,or
"upgrade of 81 will be done, 250 are optional"
Also it is very less likely for remaining leopards not to be upgrades. It matters how did they mention it but it really seems expensive for an upgrade.

The news was taken from Sozcu newspaper. It is literally copy pasted and is as is on my post. it says “81 + 250 (Opsiyon) “ .

 

[Cypro]

If it is 700 million Euros for 81 Leo UPGRADEs, this is a huge corruption. If it has not embargoed you could buy brand new 2A7s for that price! I really liked Roketsan upgrade, it looks very simple, enough and cost effective. Years ago when NG project failed or did not happen, I was thinking the same, why not create a hybrid Tank like General Dynamics MBT2000, put brand new Altay turret on Leo2, chassis is mostly have same specs, even Leo1s and M60s could get a new Turret, may be a smaller one. But no way that an upgrade cost same money with a brand new Tank.

What would BMC do? Engine is same, chassis is same, Aselsan will do electronics and electro optics, Gun is same.. what is BMC doing? Manufacturing turret with imported armor? or armor from another firm? Unbelievable if it is true.

At least I prefer them equally splitting the whole fleet into 2 and going for both Roketsan and BMC solution

 

[500]

Thks
Do Merkava’s have electric suspension also?

Mk1 and Mk2 had hydraulic turret drive, Mk3 and Mk4 - electric.

 

[Combat-Master]

According to reports in the Korean media, an official from Doosan Infracore said, "After the installation of the power package that combines the engine we developed and the transmission of SNT (S&T Dynamics), we signed a contract to conduct a performance test on the Altay tank." explanation came.

Altay Tankı İçin “Performans Testi Sözleşmesi İmzalandı” Açıklaması

"Altay tankına, geliştirdiğimiz motoru ve SNT’nin (S&T Dynamics) şanzımanını birleştiren güç paketinin yerleştirilmesinin ardından, performans testi icra etmek için sözleşme imzaladık.” açıklaması geldi.

www.c4defence.com

Foreign powerpack will be used until national powerpack 'BATU' is ready.

 

[ATG]

81+250 =331
700 ÷331 =2.110.000

roketsan armor +aselsan akkor and vs vs

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[Blackeyes90]

81+250 =331
700 ÷331 =2.110.000

roketsan armor +aselsan akkor and vs vs

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I dont understand this figures.Can you explain this ?

 

[Yasar_TR]

I dont understand this figures.Can you explain this ?

He means 700 million euros for the complete modernisation project. 81 confirmed and 250 optional = 331 tanks in total makes 2.11 million euros each per tank.