Altay & Turkish Main Battle Tank Programs

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I don't think this is true, Tosyalı Holding is a steel production giant saying Tosyalı Holding has liquidity problems is bullshit. Tosyalı can throw a billion on BMC and still be fine. What might happened is Tosyalı is probably pissed off at how the company runs and changed a lot of things.
 

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Under the current circumstances, I think Turkey is likely to get the engines and transmissions that will be used for the first production of the Altay tank from Korea. I think the improvement of the Korean EST15K transmission to be used for Altay will also be completed at the end of the development and testing of the Batu engine currently being developed in Turkey. Or it could be completed faster
Koreans being based as always that made me happy finally we are going to use altays
 

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Lego’s new trend, toys for big boys. One turret fits all!

It reminds me bit of "Tank-Ex" in Arjun project.

They took Arjun turret and mated it with T-72 hull

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It was rejected by army as well.

Hopefully korean transmission for altay hull will keep things as is for Altay.

Lego like you say is bit of indication something is going Arjun's way....

(Members can search up arjun convo earlier in this thread for context).

I of course have no idea about the political-bureaucrat angle (or have promptly forgotten it) of all the talk here on BMC.
 

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I don't think this is true, Tosyalı Holding is a steel production giant saying Tosyalı Holding has liquidity problems is bullshit. Tosyalı can throw a billion on BMC and still be fine. What might happened is Tosyalı is probably pissed off at how the company runs and changed a lot of things.
That would be a better outcome.

I'm really curious to what Tosyali is going to do, because if RTE and government still pressures the company to do many inviable projects instead of improving on what seemed to work. Then I don't see any good outcome.
 

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That would be a better outcome.

I'm really curious to what Tosyali is going to do, because if RTE and government still pressures the company to do many inviable projects instead of improving on what seemed to work. Then I don't see any good outcome.
Tosyalı is tasked to buy BMC because it has money. The new giant investment of Tosyalı is worth 2.5 billion dollars a huge ultra-modern steel production plant that uses EAF Quantum tech. Tosyalı aims a 10 billion turnover this year if I'm not mistaken.
 

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There are rumors that Tosyali is very unhappy about how the BMC is operating and Tosyali Holding is considering quitting the Altay project.
 

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There are rumors that Tosyali is very unhappy about how the BMC is operating and Tosyali Holding is considering quitting the Altay project.
Fantastic
Now no Altay tank till 2030, lool
The greatest mistake by the government and SSB in their career in the arms industry is without a doubt, the Altay tank
 

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When a company that can't design it's own MRAP with zero experience in tracked vehicles gets the national Tank project then this is the result.

You have FNSS and Otokar both companies experienced in tracked vehicles, one of them developed the ALTAY prototypes yet BMC got the deal.
 

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lets see the ones applauding BMC and defending BMC for all of the time!! See reality once in your life!!
 

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I brought big news about BMC and Ethem Sancak.
Qatari shareholders complained to Erdogan about Ethem Sancak and Talip Öztürk and they have good reasons to complain. Erdogan phoned Ethem and swore at his face after he was told that Altay tank with a fully qualified Turkish powerpack (engine and transmission) can't leave the production line before 2025.
Ethem and Talip Öztürk forced to sell their shares in BMC. Talip Öztürk survived the shit storm without much damage as Ethem Sancak was responsible for operations.
Erdo gave the mission of buying Ethem's and Talip's shares to Tosyalı Holding. Specialists from Tosyalı Holding executed a damage control analysis and see that they should stop new factory project and quit Altay tank to make the company profitable. Erdo didn't like that solution. Tosyalı told Erdo that Altay can't be produced before 2025 since the Turkish powerpack will be fully qualified on the tank in late 2024 at the best. Erdo phoned and tasked SSB (Ismail Demir )to find a powerpack for Altay. Luckily Korean powerpack is available(including Korean transmission) but the integration of the Korean powerpack has to start soon to complete tests on the Altay in 2022 and get the first tank in early 2023. Erdo wants Altay in 2023 before the elections at all costs. It is rumored that Erdo considers taking the Altay project from BMC and giving it to a more experienced company and he wants no further delays while the Korean powerpack is integrated and tested on Altay.
 

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I brought big news about BMC and Ethem Sancak.
Qatari shareholders complained to Erdogan about Ethem Sancak and Talip Öztürk and they have good reasons to complain. Erdogan phoned Ethem and swore at his face after he was told that Altay tank with a fully qualified Turkish powerpack (engine and transmission) can't leave the production line before 2025.
Ethem and Talip Öztürk forced to sell their shares in BMC. Talip Öztürk survived the shit storm without much damage as Ethem Sancak was responsible for operations.
Erdo gave the mission of buying Ethem's and Talip's shares to Tosyalı Holding. Specialists from Tosyalı Holding executed a damage control analysis and see that they should stop new factory project and quit Altay tank to make the company profitable. Erdo didn't like that solution. Tosyalı told Erdo that Altay can't be produced before 2025 since the Turkish powerpack will be fully qualified on the tank in late 2024 at the best. Erdo phoned and tasked SSB (Ismail Demir )to find a powerpack for Altay. Luckily Korean powerpack is available(including Korean transmission) but the integration of the Korean powerpack has to start soon to complete tests on the Altay in 2022 and get the first tank in early 2023. Erdo wants Altay in 2023 before the elections at all costs. It is rumored that Erdo considers taking the Altay project from BMC and giving it to a more experienced company and he wants no further delays while the Korean powerpack is integrated and tested on Altay.
What is the use of giving the tank to another company by now?
With the current rate, even if the Altay tank was transferred to another company, it wouldnt be ready before 2024

Erdo's problem is that he viewed Arabs and those with Arab origin as ppl with brain who can do shit; Arabs in general knows nothing except money
I mean what will swearing on Ethem do? Nothing! Te guy probably escaped Turkey by now
Now the Altay tank project is screwed and CHP wont sit quiet and I agree with them for once tbh.
 

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What is the use of giving the tank to another company by now?
It will guarantee that the integration of the Korean powerpack can be completed without further delays. There is no guarantee that BMC can successfully integrate the Korean powerpack and complete all tests on Altay with success to fully qualify the product.

If the Korean powerpack integration starts today and has no delays all the tests can be completed in a year and the first Altay can be delivered in early 2023. 2023 is the election year and between 2023 and 2025 there are 2 years. All of the T1 configuration tanks (40 tanks) can be delivered in 2 years.
 

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Erdo's problem is that he viewed Arabs and those with Arab origin as ppl with brain who can do shit; Arabs in general knows nothing except money
I mean what will swearing on Ethem do? Nothing! Te guy probably escaped Turkey by now
Now the Altay tank project is screwed and CHP wont sit quiet and I agree with them for once tbh.

you just wanna blame arabs and try so hard to include CHP in your argument .

anyway , erdo did the right thing because if it takes so much time for BMC to make the Altay , then give another company who is actually can do it . the entire Altay Tank issue is a bad management . it would be good idea for aselsan to have a defense management services for noobs like BMC .
 

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you just wanna blame arabs and try so hard to include CHP in your argument .

anyway , erdo did the right thing because if it takes so much time for BMC to make the Altay , then give another company who is actually can do it . the entire Altay Tank issue is a bad management . it would be good idea for aselsan to have a defense management services for noobs like BMC .
people ask , why in the first place did they give it to bmc?? and let ethem make huge money out of bmc!!
When the time comes, everything will be asked!!
 

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people ask , why in the first place did they give it to bmc?? and let ethem make huge money out of bmc!!
When the time comes, everything will be asked!!

I agree with, in fact it's corruption more it's a bad management . BMC will lose the trust of SSB and TSK since they showed bad project handling . Yet I personally believe the what erdo did ( if what @TheInsider said is ture ) the the right move to end this shitstorme before losing the international market .
 

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I agree with, in fact it's corruption more it's a bad management . BMC will lose the trust of SSB and TSK since they showed bad project handling . Yet I personally believe the what erdo did ( if what @TheInsider said is ture ) the the right move to end this shitstorme before losing the international market .
The project is still at the hands of BMC. If nothing happens in a week or two maybe in a month expect the project to stay at BMC.
 

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I brought big news about BMC and Ethem Sancak.
Qatari shareholders complained to Erdogan about Ethem Sancak and Talip Öztürk and they have good reasons to complain. Erdogan phoned Ethem and swore at his face after he was told that Altay tank with a fully qualified Turkish powerpack (engine and transmission) can't leave the production line before 2025.
Ethem and Talip Öztürk forced to sell their shares in BMC. Talip Öztürk survived the shit storm without much damage as Ethem Sancak was responsible for operations.
Erdo gave the mission of buying Ethem's and Talip's shares to Tosyalı Holding. Specialists from Tosyalı Holding executed a damage control analysis and see that they should stop new factory project and quit Altay tank to make the company profitable. Erdo didn't like that solution. Tosyalı told Erdo that Altay can't be produced before 2025 since the Turkish powerpack will be fully qualified on the tank in late 2024 at the best. Erdo phoned and tasked SSB (Ismail Demir )to find a powerpack for Altay. Luckily Korean powerpack is available(including Korean transmission) but the integration of the Korean powerpack has to start soon to complete tests on the Altay in 2022 and get the first tank in early 2023. Erdo wants Altay in 2023 before the elections at all costs. It is rumored that Erdo considers taking the Altay project from BMC and giving it to a more experienced company and he wants no further delays while the Korean powerpack is integrated and tested on Altay.

I don't like to point out people who have repeatedly defended BMC, but I am genuinely curious what @Inspector_spacetime has to say about it.
 
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