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MKE's Fırtına Blows Silently
Mechanical and Chemical Industry Incorporated Company (MKE A.Ş.) presented its Hybrid engine Fırtına (Storm) howitzer at IDEF 21.www.turdef.com
In 2017 MKE was experimenting with hybrid solution of Firtina engine. But now this latest engine they have displayed in IDEF seems to be very promising.
1300HP power with 10000NM torque is enough to power most MBTs comfortably.
Again they have used an electro-diesel engine whereby they have done away with transmission and the need to have a second motor.
This new engine’s power, torque, maintenance intervals, full loaded range, weight and fuel consumption are much better than the all Diesel engine version. On paper this new engined Firtina is a no brainer.
This will also mean we can sell it whoever we want!
Come on MKE bring on the hybrid engine for Altay!
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I think that electric power group is perfect for firtina and its silent and low head sig and powerfull torqueDefence Turkey published this Info about Firtina IIs Engine
But L3Harris just sold its Combat Propulsion Systems Division to RENK AG!
"At the same time, the company also signed an agreement to sell its Combat Propulsion Systems and Magnet-Motor GmbH businesses for about $400 million in cash to Germany’s RENK. Combat Propulsion Systems, based in the U.S., supplies transmissions and engines, such as the AVDS-1790 series, for armored vehicles in the U.S. and international markets. Magnet-Motor develops and designs high-performance electric power supplies and hybrid drive systems for military applications and is located in Starnberg, Germany."
L3Harris Technologies Completes $1.45 Billion Sales of its Military Training and Combat Propulsion Systems Businesses
L3Harris Technologies has completed the sales of its Military Training business to CAE and its Combat Propulsion Systems and related businesses to RENK AG for a combined $1.45 billion.www.l3harris.com
The Germans are at it again.
If the production unit is not in Germany, German government does not have much to say.Defence Turkey published this Info about Firtina IIs Engine
But L3Harris just sold its Combat Propulsion Systems Division to RENK AG!
"At the same time, the company also signed an agreement to sell its Combat Propulsion Systems and Magnet-Motor GmbH businesses for about $400 million in cash to Germany’s RENK. Combat Propulsion Systems, based in the U.S., supplies transmissions and engines, such as the AVDS-1790 series, for armored vehicles in the U.S. and international markets. Magnet-Motor develops and designs high-performance electric power supplies and hybrid drive systems for military applications and is located in Starnberg, Germany."
L3Harris Technologies Completes $1.45 Billion Sales of its Military Training and Combat Propulsion Systems Businesses
L3Harris Technologies has completed the sales of its Military Training business to CAE and its Combat Propulsion Systems and related businesses to RENK AG for a combined $1.45 billion.www.l3harris.com
The Germans are at it again.
I guess Utku will take a long time to become fully operational. Also the hybrid engine solution is in the same boat.I thought Firtina obus were going to use domestic engine, how come we face this kind of crap everytime. It doesn’t give any confidence to domestic engine projects ffs.
They said that the hybride group would be ready by next yearI guess Utku will take a long time to become fully operational. Also the hybrid engine solution is in the same boat.
So the interim solution is the current one with L3-Harris and Allison power pack.
Apparently The AVDS of L3-Harris has 80% common parts with the engine that Catterpillar Defence UK has. Allison transmission is from UK as well.
MoND FY 2021 Budget Approved by the General Assembly of TGNA
The Ministry of National Defense`s (MoND) budget proposal for FY 2021, which was submitted to the Turkish Grand National Assembly (TGNA), Planning and Budget Commission on November 12, 2020 at an amount of TRY 61 billion 484 million 939 thousand, was approved on December 9, 2020 by the General...www.defenceturkey.com
It may be ready next year. But it will have to go through Turkish Army’s rigorous tests before accepted. Same goes for the Utku engine. First the factory will complete it’s tests. Then the Army. They can start the test on the L3 Harris power pack straight away. (Provided it will fit in the current engine housing without problems)They said that the hybride group would be ready by next year
Dont forget that mkek is a gov company ..so the army definitely involved in the development phase and know about how it goes ..so i dont expect it will talk a long timeIt may be ready next year. But it will have to go through Turkish Army’s rigorous tests before accepted. Same goes for the Utku engine. First the factory will complete it’s tests. Then the Army. They can start the test on the L3 Harris power pack straight away. (Provided it will fit in the current engine housing without problems)
Turkish industry is in twilight zone. It can either take a step back and use conventional technologies very fast or it can take step forwards and have innovative new designs that will take a bit longer to make...Dont forget that mkek is a gov company ..so the army definitely involved in the development phase and know about how it goes ..so i dont expect it will talk a long time
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MT 883 Ka-500 | AVDS-1790 | |
Length | 1108 mm | 1905 mm |
Width | 972 mm | 1778 mm |
Height | 742 mm | 1143 mm |
Bore/stroke | 144/140 mm | 146 mm |
Displacement | 18,2 l | 29.3 l |
Number of cylinders | V 8 | V 12 |
POWER | 1000 HP | 1200 HP |
RPM | 2700 RPM | 2400 RPM |
Mass, Dry | 1400 KG | 2313 KG |
Unbelievable difference.. performance would differ a lot.. Isn't this M60's engine?Made a quick Comparison for the Engines in the Firtina SPH Project
View attachment 34137 View attachment 34139 MT 883 Ka-500 AVDS-1790 Length 1108 mm 1905 mm Width 972 mm 1778 mm Height 742 mm 1143 mm Bore/stroke 144/140 mm 146 mm Displacement 18,2 l 29.3 l Number of cylinders V 8 V 12 POWER 1000 HP 1200 HP RPM 2700 RPM 2400 RPM Mass, Dry 1400 KG 2313 KG
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Unbelievable difference.. performance would differ a lot.. Isn't this M60's engine?
Yeah, we all know MTU is way better. But the competitor gave lots of guarantees regarding the export to third countries. Maybe Azerbaijan can get Fırtına-II now.Made a quick Comparison for the Engines in the Firtina SPH Project
View attachment 34137 View attachment 34139 MT 883 Ka-500 AVDS-1790 Length 1108 mm 1905 mm Width 972 mm 1778 mm Height 742 mm 1143 mm Bore/stroke 144/140 mm 146 mm Displacement 18,2 l 29.3 l Number of cylinders V 8 V 12 POWER 1000 HP 1200 HP RPM 2700 RPM 2400 RPM Mass, Dry 1400 KG 2313 KG
Trusted Partner
The RENK Group is a global leader for propulsion and drivetrain technology, providing reliable systems to set vehicles and machinery in motion.www.renk-group.com
Products
www.mtu-solutions.com
Yeah, we all know MTU is way better. But the competitor gave lots of guarantees regarding the export to third countries. Maybe Azerbaijan can get Fırtına-II now.
Looking at the size values given above of this engine, do you think it will fit in to the engine compartment of Altay?Renk America also mentions a 1350 HP variant, even 1500 HP should be possible according to data published by Combat Propulsion Systems.
Considering the Guarantees, why not integrate those on ALTAY which should be easy because ASFAT Kayseri knows the Engine well.
Challenger 2 with its 1200 HP Engine and 65 Tons weight proves that it could work.