TR Army Artillery Systems & Projects

[mTT]

HYBRID FIRTINA: GÜRHAN HOWITZER​

Specification	T-155 FIRTINA (DIESEL)	GÜRHAN (HYBRID)
Engine Type	MT-881 Ka-500	ELECTRIC 2P2S
Engine Power	1,000 HP (735 kW)	1,300 HP (970 kW)
Power/Weight	20 HP/ton	26 HP/ton
Max Torque	3,000 Nm	10,000 Nm
Acceleration	0–30 km/h in 7 seconds	0–30 km/h in 6 seconds
Range (Fully Loaded)	225 km	300 km
Consumption	160 L/h	25 L/h + 7.5 kWh/km
Gears	4 forward, 2 reverse	1 forward, 1 reverse
Top Speed	65 km/h	65 km/h
Weight (Fully Loaded)	49 tons	49 tons
Battery Capacity	-	387 kWh
Charging Time	-	4 hours

 

[mTT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1934871925903229141

 

[boredaf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1934871925903229141

Well, that was stupid. Reminded me those robots Melih Gökçek wasted millions of dollars on, fucking hell.

 

[Sanchez]

MKE and BMC signed a deal for 118 "Fırtına Weapon Systems"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1947681050098127263

 

[Pokemonte13]

Developed by MSB Ar-Ge and reaching a range of 130 km during the firing test, the RamJet Propelled 155mm Howitzer Ammunition:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1948065867675386072

How heavy is it and what’s the payload weight

 

[Huelague]

Developed by MSB Ar-Ge and reaching a range of 130 km during the firing test, the RamJet Propelled 155mm Howitzer Ammunition:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1948065867675386072

Stopp!
That ramjet ammunition has a range of 130km?

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

According to ST.

I wonder how much one of those cost.

 

[boredaf]

Stopp!
That ramjet ammunition has a range of 130km?

Boeing and another company I can't remember sent a ramjet artillery shell 70+ km in a test and claimed up to 150 was possible.

I wonder how much one of those cost.

Similar stuff costs up to 100k iirc. I remember reading one at about 50 thousand dollars but that was without adding the payload or the fuel. Even Excalibur costs 70k and it doesn't have a ramjet.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Similar stuff costs up to 100k iirc. I remember reading one at about 50 thousand dollars but that was without adding the payload or the fuel. Even Excalibur costs 70k and it doesn't have a ramjet.

So they are probably expensive, what's a scenario that those will be used instead of the normal ones?

 

[boredaf]

So they are probably expensive, what's a scenario that those will be used instead of the normal ones?

You need to compare them to other options with similar range, rather than normal artillery shells. Are they cheaper than other options for that range, I don't know, but if they are that could be the reason to use them.

 

[Shtr]

Who is building this Ramjet engines?

 

[Pokemonte13]

This is just a modernization right for the old panther howitzers nothing new

 

[Sanchez]

This is just a modernization right for the old panther howitzers nothing new

40 odd Panter towed howitzers are being turned into self propelled howitzers with new FCS, now called "Integrated Panter". Too small a number and about 5 years late.

I do hope that Yavuz is coming soon.

 

[Pokemonte13]

is yavuz a new artillery piece? i thougt it was panther on a 6x6 truck

 

[Sanchez]

is yavuz a new artillery piece? i thougt it was panther on a 6x6 truck

Similar gun, different breech. Panther is Singaporean, Yavuz would have been Turkish.

 

[Saithan]

Türkiye’s self-propelled howitzer (OBUS) programs evolved from foreign-based designs to advanced indigenous systems, with key milestones from the 1990s to 2025.

Here’s a chronological summary of Türkiye’s OBUS development:

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Türkiye’s OBUS Programs: Chronological Overview

1995–2000: Initiation of Domestic SPH Development
- Goal: Replace outdated T-44 and T-52 systems.
- Solution: Licensed adaptation of South Korea’s K9 Thunder.
- Lead Developer: MKEK (Makine ve Kimya Endüstrisi Kurumu).
- Challenge: German export restrictions led Türkiye to partner with South Korea.

2000–2004: Development of T-155 Fırtına
- Design Period: 2000–2004.
- Based on: Korean K9 chassis and gun system.
- Domestic Contributions: Aselsan provided fire control and subsystems.
- Capabilities: 52-caliber barrel, NATO-compatible, max range ~40 km.
- Production Start: 2004.

2004–2014: T-155 Fırtına I Mass Production
- Units Built: ~280.
- Manufacturers: Initially Turkish Land Forces, later MKEK.
- Combat Use: Syrian conflict, Kurdish–Turkish clashes, and cross-border operations.

2015–2019: Transition to Fırtına II
- Manufacturer Shift: From MKEK to BMC Defence.
- Upgrades: Enhanced automation, faster firing rate, improved electronics.

2017–2024: Introduction of Yavuz 155mm Truck-Mounted Howitzer
- Unveiled: IDEF 2017.
- Developer: MKE.
- Platform: 6x6 truck chassis for mobility.
- Range: Up to 40 km.
- Fire Rate: 3 rounds in 15 seconds.
- Purpose: Supplement tracked systems with rapid-deploy wheeled artillery.

2023–2025: Fırtına II Deployment and Export Push
- Delivery: Six Fırtına II units handed over in Sakarya (2023).
- Export Focus: Defense exports surged to $4.4 billion in 2024.
- Strategic Role: Fırtına II positioned as next-gen artillery for Turkish Armed Forces.

Sources: Copilot
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I was curious about the timeline, so thought Copilot could sum it up nice and easy.

Can anyone with insight tell us if it's accurate enough to ?

 

[BalkanTurk90]

40 odd Panter towed howitzers are being turned into self propelled howitzers with new FCS, now called "Integrated Panter". Too small a number and about 5 years late.

I do hope that Yavuz is coming soon.

Thats what i was going to ask ? Why Turkiye have 2 wheeled 155mm howitzers ? Arpan is 8x8 but still the same class . İs Yavuz going to enter service or only 40 arpans ?

 

[Sanchez]

Thats what i was going to ask ? Why Turkiye have 2 wheeled 155mm howitzers ? Arpan is 8x8 but still the same class . İs Yavuz going to enter service or only 40 arpans ?

Arpan is the project to put 40 Panther towed howitzers on a 8x8 chassis. For now, it's only for 40 vehicles, because that's how many Panthers we have.

There were 2 different wheeled 155mm designs from MKE and Aselsan. Yavuz and Asya. Asya probably didn't move forward with development as we haven't heard anything from it for nearly a decade, but Yavuz is still being developed.

Only currently active army project to incur self propelled wheeled howitzers into service is that of Arpan for 40 vehicles. Yavuz will probably see the light of day in future.

 

[begturan]

Türkiye’s self-propelled howitzer (OBUS) programs evolved from foreign-based designs to advanced indigenous systems, with key milestones from the 1990s to 2025.

Here’s a chronological summary of Türkiye’s OBUS development:

---

Türkiye’s OBUS Programs: Chronological Overview

1995–2000: Initiation of Domestic SPH Development
- Goal: Replace outdated T-44 and T-52 systems.
- Solution: Licensed adaptation of South Korea’s K9 Thunder.
- Lead Developer: MKEK (Makine ve Kimya Endüstrisi Kurumu).
- Challenge: German export restrictions led Türkiye to partner with South Korea.

2000–2004: Development of T-155 Fırtına
- Design Period: 2000–2004.
- Based on: Korean K9 chassis and gun system.
- Domestic Contributions: Aselsan provided fire control and subsystems.
- Capabilities: 52-caliber barrel, NATO-compatible, max range ~40 km.
- Production Start: 2004.

2004–2014: T-155 Fırtına I Mass Production
- Units Built: ~280.
- Manufacturers: Initially Turkish Land Forces, later MKEK.
- Combat Use: Syrian conflict, Kurdish–Turkish clashes, and cross-border operations.

2015–2019: Transition to Fırtına II
- Manufacturer Shift: From MKEK to BMC Defence.
- Upgrades: Enhanced automation, faster firing rate, improved electronics.

2017–2024: Introduction of Yavuz 155mm Truck-Mounted Howitzer
- Unveiled: IDEF 2017.
- Developer: MKE.
- Platform: 6x6 truck chassis for mobility.
- Range: Up to 40 km.
- Fire Rate: 3 rounds in 15 seconds.
- Purpose: Supplement tracked systems with rapid-deploy wheeled artillery.

2023–2025: Fırtına II Deployment and Export Push
- Delivery: Six Fırtına II units handed over in Sakarya (2023).
- Export Focus: Defense exports surged to $4.4 billion in 2024.
- Strategic Role: Fırtına II positioned as next-gen artillery for Turkish Armed Forces.

Sources: Copilot
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I was curious about the timeline, so thought Copilot could sum it up nice and easy.

Can anyone with insight tell us if it's accurate enough to ?

Also MKE was developed Fatih 155 mm Sph end of 90s but army didnt accept and started Firtina project

Fatih 155mm

www.defencetalk.com

 

[Tornadoss]

Are you guys following the news in x about performance of the Boran in Malaysia? Is there any Malaysian forum member to shed light on the issue?