TR Attack & Utility Helicopter Programs

[Saithan]

Where would such dipping sonar be viable ? Litoral waters ?

light utility helicopters wouldn’t be used in open seas would they ?

 

[Heartbang]

Mr Temel Kotil: "Armed versions of Gökbey will be coming soon. We will make a surprise."

A navalized Gokbey will be a more economical way to conduct anti-submarine warfare in comparison to Seahawks. if that's the surprise they're preparing, that would be a great idea and a game-changer.

 

[Yasar_TR]

do we really need this? For navy maybe (to replace ab 212s). But for land forces, no I think. We need more atak 2s

If there is going to be a navalised version of Gokbey, it will be ideal for specific missions in the naval vessels as per @Anmdt ‘s post.
But this helicopter will be close to half the cost of a fully fledged T-129 Atak helicopter as a lightly militarised version. For countries that can’t afford a T-129, it will be ideal as it will be able to perform some of the duties of Atak.
When an Apache is too expensive to have you can convert a Blackhawk in to below shown helicopter that can do some of Apache‘s light duties.

 

[Anmdt]

A navalized Gokbey will be a more economical way to conduct anti-submarine warfare in comparison to Seahawks. if that's the surprise they're preparing, that would be a great idea and a game-changer.

For navy, economy is at the last among other matters to be counted. Number of ASW helicopters are counted by dozens. Gokbey is not an alternative for Seahawks, it can not be. Only may undertake some duties which Seahawks are an over-kill for.

Gokbey can be used;

CO-IN and anti-piracy at seas with side mounted MGs, mini-guns, good E/O even cirit missiles.

Test bed for Navy projects, like helo-borne ASW torpedo, dipping sonar, other sonar projectz

ASuW with light missiles, marine survailence radar and a good E/O

Certain other tasks which is important, overkill for Seahawks and can not be mentioned yet.

 

[B.t.N]

If there is going to be a navalised version of Gokbey, it will be ideal for specific missions in the naval vessels as per @Anmdt ‘s post.
But this helicopter will be close to half the cost of a fully fledged T-129 Atak helicopter as a lightly militarised version. For countries that can’t afford a T-129, it will be ideal as it will be able to perform some of the duties of Atak.
When an Apache is too expensive to have you can convert a Blackhawk in to below shown helicopter that can do some of Apache‘s light duties.
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Those countries you mention, without the funds for a T-129… I doubt they can afford such naval platforms! Arming Gökbey as a light attack helicopter, I say, could prove to be genious marketing plan! Navalizing, it is money down the gutter.

Navy wants to lay hands on heavy attack and transport helicopters for Anadolu, other combatants, and for the upcoming platforms. So we have got a considerable domestic demand before all else. A wise (and rather cost-effective) decision would be to navalize Atak2 from the get go, do the same for the 10 ton utility when it is on the production line. You will save quite a sum, avoiding a next stage navalizing project and related (costly) procedures.

And you can use the end product anywhere you‘d like, land it on Ararat. or the Anadolu. Keep the price down-to-earth, it will create its own niche!

 

[Heartbang]

Russia and India uses Kamov Ka-27 to conduct ASW warfare. it is a dual-use chopper WAY smaller than the Gökbey. I don't understand why Gökbey can't be utilized for ASW duties.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Those countries you mention, without the funds for a T-129… I doubt they can afford such naval platforms! Arming Gökbey as a light attack helicopter, I say, could prove to be genious marketing plan! Navalizing, it is money down the gutter.

Navy wants to lay hands on heavy attack and transport helicopters for Anadolu, other combatants, and for the upcoming platforms. So we have got a considerable domestic demand before all else. A wise (and rather cost-effective) decision would be to navalize Atak2 from the get go, do the same for the 10 ton utility when it is on the production line. You will save quite a sum, avoiding a next stage navalizing project and related (costly) procedures.

And you can use the end product anywhere you‘d like, land it on Ararat. or the Anadolu. Keep the price down-to-earth, it will create its own niche!

If you read @Anmdt ’s previous posts, there should be a mention of Atak-2 being navalised. In fact if memory serves, the navalised Atak-2 will be the first Atak-2 our forces are to have.
Proof of the pudding is in the eating; Even US has chosen an armed Blackhawk to cover some of the duties of a pricey Apache. That means a lightly militarised Gokbey will always find an end use, be it navalised or not.

 

[B.t.N]

If you read @Anmdt ’s previous posts, there should be a mention of Atak-2 being navalised. In fact if memory serves, the navalised Atak-2 will be the first Atak-2 our forces are to have.
Proof of the pudding is in the eating; Even US has chosen an armed Blackhawk to cover some of the duties of a pricey Apache. That means a lightly militarised Gokbey will always find an end use, be it navalised or not.

Work is hectic nowadays, I hardly find time to join… But how on earth did I miss that! I was bugging the man, @Anmdt , on this since forever! Any chance to navalize this, or that!

 

[Huelague]

armed gökbey with suicide drones would be adding new capabilities, these drones could scout the lz together with some male uav and then strike if they see something suspicious.

Why are you so obsessed with armed Gokbey? We have enough armed helis.

 

[Glass🚬]

Why are you so obsessed with armed Gokbey? We have enough armed helis.

nope, 60~ t129 for a country like türkiye is far from enough tripple that number and then it would have enough. Thats also not obsession lel

 

[Fairon]

Russia and India uses Kamov Ka-27 to conduct ASW warfare. it is a dual-use chopper WAY smaller than the Gökbey. I don't understand why Gökbey can't be utilized for ASW duties.

Ka27 has a 12t maximum take off weight in comparison to Gökbey's 6t. It has more maximum take off weight than even Sea Hawk(around 10t and they bot have similar empty weight).

Ka27 is actually very good choice in that regard.

 

[Agha Sher]

nope, 60~ t129 for a country like türkiye is far from enough tripple that number and then it would have enough. Thats also not obsession lel

Didn't Turkey plan a total of around 120 T129s? I also think it is enough with attack helicopters, especially considering that T929 is around the corner.

 

[Ecderha]

Ka27 has a 12t maximum take off weight in comparison to Gökbey's 6t. It has more maximum take off weight than even Sea Hawk(around 10t and they bot have similar empty weight).

Ka27 is actually very good choice in that regard.

it is normal 4 tons Payload (max 5 tons is only for 30 min like extreme case )
But heli can do that heavy lifting by removing or let say it -> Heli It lacks radar and has simplified avionics in order to has a payload capacity of 4 000 kg

 

[Glass🚬]

Didn't Turkey plan a total of around 120 T129s? I also think it is enough with attack helicopters, especially considering that T929 is around the corner.

they are not around the corner tho, the more firepower the better imo also new capabilities = more flexibility.

 

[Huelague]

nope, 60~ t129 for a country like türkiye is far from enough tripple that number and then it would have enough. Thats also not obsession lel

+-30 Cobra.

 

[Huelague]

Didn't Turkey plan a total of around 120 T129s? I also think it is enough with attack helicopters, especially considering that T929 is around the corner.

When we will see first flight of Atak-2?

 

[Yasar_TR]

When we will see first flight of Atak-2?

According to Mr Kotil, March 2023! Like many others.

Turkish Aerospace Industries: ATAK 2 heads towards 2023 maiden flight - EDR Magazine

By Paolo Valpolini Since last IDEF the ATAK 2, the Multirole Heavy Combat Helicopter that will further increase combat capabilities

www.edrmagazine.eu

 

[Huelague]

According to Mr Kotil, March 2023! Like many others.

Turkish Aerospace Industries: ATAK 2 heads towards 2023 maiden flight - EDR Magazine

By Paolo Valpolini Since last IDEF the ATAK 2, the Multirole Heavy Combat Helicopter that will further increase combat capabilities

www.edrmagazine.eu

@Glass🚬 .
This is around the corner, tho

 

[Fairon]

it is normal 4 tons Payload (max 5 tons is only for 30 min like extreme case )
But heli can do that heavy lifting by removing or let say it -> Heli It lacks radar and has simplified avionics in order to has a payload capacity of 4 000 kg

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Yes and Gökbey's payload capacity is much lower than that.

In terms of payload capacity Ka27 is on par or better than Seahawk. So can't be used as an example for Gökbey.

 

[Nilgiri]

Courtesy of @MUC-Spotter , well captured my friend.

(4K) T-129A ATAK TAI from the Turkish Aerospace Industries show a very powerful flying Display at the Farnborough AirShow 2022