TR Attack & Utility Helicopter Programs

[Kampfpanzer]

It is the dissociation of religion and technology for them. When they see an institution for science and technology entangled with religiosity, they won't take that organization seriously and think there's corruption in it.

its ok when u think this way. Im not thinking like u, but its ok. i dont want to fill this thread with this discussion. im sure our engineers will do great job.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Keep religious discussion out of this topic please.

Thanks

 

[Baris]

According to this image, the tail of the T929 has changed a lot and has become more muscular and shorter, unlike the old design.

This mockup looks better than the current mock-up imo, why did they even change it and even display false info (20mm cannon) ?
Also the image i posted might not be the final design, we'll just have to see it once it finishes.

 

[Huelague]

According to this image, the tail of the T929 has changed a lot and has become more muscular and shorter, unlike the old design.

They have to give them some stealth characteristics like the "stealth" Blackhawk. And still no MMW Radar.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Gökbey in Teknofest Karadeniz

 

[Yasar_TR]

Can we please stay on topic of real life helicopters, rather than games?
If you need to discuss computer games, please do it elsewhere.

 

[Agha Sher]

Gökbey in Teknofest Karadeniz

Still stability issues at hovering and low speed?

 

[Pinco Pallino]

Hello, I'm a new user.
Recently I've been digging a bit about the T129 ATAK, but unfortunatly there's not that much detailed information about it in English available for free.

May I ask if someone of you can clarify some doubts I have?

The recently introduced T-129B Phase 2 variant of the ATAK has a quite advanced self-defence suite, basically developed entirely by the Turkish industry, with the main contribute by Aselsan.
It comprises a RF jammer, the UVIS missile approach warning system (also with 2 extra sensors compared to the Phase 1), the LIAS laser warning receiver and radar warning receiver.

What I don't understand is if the previous T-129B Phase 1 completely lacked the RWR and LWR sensors.
It obviously had the UV missile approach warning systems on the extremity of the stub wings, but I can't seem to find anything resembling a RWR or LWR in any photo.

Thanks to anyone who can clarify this

 

[Pilatino]

Hello, I'm a new user.
Recently I've been digging a bit about the T129 ATAK, but unfortunatly there's not that much detailed information about it in English available for free.

May I ask if someone of you can clarify some doubts I have?

The recently introduced T-129B Phase 2 variant of the ATAK has a quite advanced self-defence suite, basically developed entirely by the Turkish industry, with the main contribute by Aselsan.
It comprises a RF jammer, the UVIS missile approach warning system (also with 2 extra sensors compared to the Phase 1), the LIAS laser warning receiver and radar warning receiver.

What I don't understand is if the previous T-129B Phase 1 completely lacked the RWR and LWR sensors.
It obviously had the UV missile approach warning systems on the extremity of the stub wings, but I can't seem to find anything resembling a RWR or LWR in any photo.

Thanks to anyone who can clarify this

Our new friend from Leonardo

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

Hello, I'm a new user.
Recently I've been digging a bit about the T129 ATAK, but unfortunatly there's not that much detailed information about it in English available for free.

May I ask if someone of you can clarify some doubts I have?

The recently introduced T-129B Phase 2 variant of the ATAK has a quite advanced self-defence suite, basically developed entirely by the Turkish industry, with the main contribute by Aselsan.
It comprises a RF jammer, the UVIS missile approach warning system (also with 2 extra sensors compared to the Phase 1), the LIAS laser warning receiver and radar warning receiver.

What I don't understand is if the previous T-129B Phase 1 completely lacked the RWR and LWR sensors.
It obviously had the UV missile approach warning systems on the extremity of the stub wings, but I can't seem to find anything resembling a RWR or LWR in any photo.

Thanks to anyone who can clarify this

 

[Merzifonlu]

@Agha Sher;

IMO Gökbey looks pretty stable.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Hello, I'm a new user.
Recently I've been digging a bit about the T129 ATAK, but unfortunatly there's not that much detailed information about it in English available for free.

May I ask if someone of you can clarify some doubts I have?

The recently introduced T-129B Phase 2 variant of the ATAK has a quite advanced self-defence suite, basically developed entirely by the Turkish industry, with the main contribute by Aselsan.
It comprises a RF jammer, the UVIS missile approach warning system (also with 2 extra sensors compared to the Phase 1), the LIAS laser warning receiver and radar warning receiver.

What I don't understand is if the previous T-129B Phase 1 completely lacked the RWR and LWR sensors.
It obviously had the UV missile approach warning systems on the extremity of the stub wings, but I can't seem to find anything resembling a RWR or LWR in any photo.

Thanks to anyone who can clarify this

What you write here is somehow not relevant anymore. Because all phase-1 t-129 helicopters are in the process of being upgraded to phase-2 anyway. This includes the first 9 EDH helicopters that came in right at the beginning and the 42 locally produced ones.

Kara Kuvvetleri'nde 'T129 ATAK' Dönüşümü | SavunmaSanayiST

Türk Kara Kuvvetleri Komutanlığı'nın T129 ATAK Helikopteri filosunda, dönüşüm yaşanıyor. EDH ve Faz-I konfigürasyonundaki ATAK'lar, Faz-II'ye dönüştürülüyor.

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[Pinco Pallino]

What you write here is somehow not relevant anymore. Because all phase-1 t-129 helicopters are in the process of being upgraded to phase-2 anyway. This includes the first 9 EDH helicopters that came in right at the beginning and the 42 locally produced ones.

Thanks, I'll take as further confirmation that ATAK Faz-1 aicraft (and consequently the older and less capable EDH) didn't have LWR and RWR.


Nice to see that the Turkish Army is planning not to leave "anything behind" by upgrading as many machines as possible to Faz-2.

 

[Baryshx]

Thanks, I'll take as further confirmation that ATAK Faz-1 aicraft (and consequently the older and less capable EDH) didn't have LWR and RWR.


Nice to see that the Turkish Army is planning not to leave "anything behind" by upgrading as many machines as possible to Faz-2.

It's even more necessary after the helicopter footage from the Ukraine war.

 

[Merzifonlu]

It's even more necessary after the helicopter footage from the Ukraine war.

Yeah. An special APS is needed for helicopters. It seems that early warning and chaff systems are not enough anymore.

 

[Pinco Pallino]

Developing a functional and relatively reliable hard-kill APS (flares are also technically an APS countermeasure) would surely be incredibly challenging and expensive. Possibly too much complex and expensive with current available technologies.

Most Western nations apparently are investing in DIRCM systems and enhanced EW suites. Turkey seems to be doing the same.

In relation to the war in Ukraine, it should be pointed out that both Russian and Ukrainian attack or support helicopters appear to heavily rely on unguided rockets as their most commonly used weapon system. Their guided anti-tank missiles are also less capable than comparable weapons in service in America, Europe, NATO, Israel etc. as they are mostly still line-of-sight beam-riding or wire-guided. The Russian optronic systems also appear to be lackluster in comparsion.
Thus Russian (and obviously Ukrainian) attack helicopters intrinsically need to expose themsevles at much greater danger than comparable and more advanced helicopters in service with NATO.

 

[Radonsider]

Developing a functional and relatively reliable hard-kill APS (flares are also technically an APS countermeasure) would surely be incredibly challenging and expensive. Possibly too much complex and expensive with current available technologies.

Most Western nations apparently are investing in DIRCM systems and enhanced EW suites. Turkey seems to be doing the same.

In relation to the war in Ukraine, it should be pointed out that both Russian and Ukrainian attack or support helicopters appear to heavily rely on unguided rockets as their most commonly used weapon system. Their guided anti-tank missiles are also less capable than comparable weapons in service in America, Europe, NATO, Israel etc. as they are mostly still line-of-sight beam-riding or wire-guided. The Russian optronic systems also appear to be lackluster in comparsion.
Thus Russian (and obviously Ukrainian) attack helicopters intrinsically need to expose themsevles at much greater danger than comparable and more advanced helicopters in service with NATO.

It is not because of missiles being lackluster, it is because of tactics, they essentially use them as very mobile grads

 

[Combat-Master]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1567495842008817666

By the looks of it, they've also added Cirit and L-UMTAS !

 

[Kedikesenfare]

He is just praying to god that the engineers should get to their goals without problems. I dont see there a problem. Muslim country, muslim people.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/872087480257871872

Bro, everyone does it even the Japanese. It's just a gesture of support and good wishes. That's all.

 

[Fairon]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/872087480257871872

Bro, everyone does it even the Japanese. It's just a gesture of support and good wishes. That's all.

Not really that simple for Turkiye though.