TR Attack & Utility Helicopter Programs

[Anmdt]

If it proves to be usable in a wide range of use cases it will be a fantastic solution to VTOL needs of the navy and possibly other users worldwide. Also with the prospects of larger payload capacities in the future.

Yeah with 2 kg of payload with 50 MTOW and vs: 50kg payload to 200 MTOW.

scale it up to 50 kg and the platform itself becomes huge and not compact.

I don't even dare to compare it with scaneagle in terms of numbers or deploy-ability , my heart doesn't take it.

and we come to starting to point, we had better places to spend the money poured for Atak-II and we didnt for multiple not-so nice reasons.

 

[Saithan]

I’m very much at ease ever since I put him on ignore… just saying

 

[Zafer]

Yeah with 2 kg of payload with 50 MTOW and vs: 50kg payload to 200 MTOW.

scale it up to 50 kg and the platform itself becomes huge and not compact.

I don't even dare to compare it with scaneagle in terms of numbers or deploy-ability , my heart doesn't take it.

and we come to starting to point, we had better places to spend the money poured for Atak-II and we didnt for multiple not-so nice reasons.

Kalkan can already do 12 hours as it is while Schiebel does half as much. While Kalkan has larger wingspan it does not need a catapult or recovery net to operate like the Scaneagle. Kalkan is more practical than others in every way. Easier to handle with a smaller weight than Schiebel too.

 

[Anmdt]

Kalkan can already do 12 hours as it is while Schiebel does half as much. While Kalkan has larger wingspan it does not need a catapult or recovery net to operate like the Scaneagle. Kalkan is more practical than others in every way. Easier to handle with a smaller weight than Schiebel too.

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Yeah whatever man, check out the operators list for both scaneagle and schiebel and what a proven concept succeeds in comparison to one that has been around for too long and not much interesting for navies.

Meanwhile also care to compare scaneagle's more than 2 kg far superior camera, longer deployment and ease of launch and retrieval even at the most adverse weather conditions, and schiebel's 50 kg of payload that can optionally extend duration to double fo what is given and accompanied with a camera again superior than what Kalkan is carrying.

We are taking easy short cuts and it won't cut the deal in the field, conceptually it does on the paper but practically, a big no. Both qualitive and quantatively it offers none but an easy solution for the company.

 

[moz68k]

Isn't the main gearbox of ATAK-II the same as T-925? I always saw the test flight last year as more of proof of concept for the mechanical portions of both, placed in a attack helicopter shell for... reasons. It isn't a big deal if ATAK-II is put on the back burner as long as progress is being made on T-925, which is far more important in my opinion. Whether that's the case remains to be seen, especially with Motor Sich being out of commission. That's what saddens me.

 

[Sanchez]

Gendarme’s first batch of helicopters won’t use TS1400. Delays still apparent and now the revised delivery timeline is “this year”.

Quoting from April for my traditional T625 updates.

We’re nearing end of Q2 of 2024 and still no deliveries for T625. Hoping for Q3.

 

[boredaf]

Quoting from April for my traditional T625 updates.

We’re nearing end of Q2 of 2024 and still no deliveries for T625. Hoping for Q3.

Altay of the skies.

 

[Rodeo]

Per Temel Kotil:

- T925's first flight is in 2025 and the delivery is in 2026.(at 48:20 in the video)

- Siemens PLM was used to design Gökbey helicopter.

Türkiye'nin Havacılık Vizyonu

TUSAŞ Genel Müdürü Prof. Dr. Temel KOTİL

www.youtube.com

 

[boredaf]

Per Temel Kotil:

- T925's first flight is in 2025 and the delivery is in 2026.(at 48:20 in the video)

- Siemens PLM was used to design Gökbey helicopter.

Türkiye'nin Havacılık Vizyonu

TUSAŞ Genel Müdürü Prof. Dr. Temel KOTİL

www.youtube.com

He also said they would deliver T929 in 2025 before the project disappeared. And I'm not even mentioning Schrödinger's Gökbey, a helicopter that has been delivered and will be delivered at the same time.

Grain of salt and all that...

 

[Khagan1923]

He also said they would deliver T929 in 2025 before the project disappeared. And I'm not even mentioning Schrödinger's Gökbey, a helicopter that has been delivered and will be delivered at the same time.

Grain of salt and all that...

We have no engines for this project, I'm sorry but unless something drastic happened this and T-929 are pretty much on ice for the time being.
TAI should focus on delivering Gökbey and getting the serial production up and running.

And the Navy should go and order some AW101.

 

[boredaf]

TAI should focus on delivering Gökbey and getting the serial production up and running.

I agree, while T925 is a necessity, spending time and resources on one more project without the engine for it is just... well, it is actually our speciality but it really shouldn't be.

Make T-70 and T-129 until their licenses are over, focus on production of T625 and if necessary make T629 (if TS1400 can power it), which is also another helicopter project disappeared silently.

 

[Yasar_TR]

TSK'ya T-70 helikopteri teslimatı

“Kara Kuvvetleri Komutanlığımızca, muhtelif miktarda T-70 Genel Maksat Helikopterinin muayene ve kabul faaliyeti tamamlanmıştır.” Türk Silahlı Kuvvetlerinin en büyük planlı tatbikatlarından EFES – 2024 Birleşik Müşterek Fiili Atışlı Arazi Tatbikatı’nın Fiili Atışlı Arazi Safhası 9-30 Mayıs...

www.defenceturk.net

A number of T70 Blackhawk helicopters have been delivered to various units of TURKISH armed Forces. This includes deliveries to Land Forces and Gendarmerie.

One statement in above news piece is interesting that for the next 10 years to various departments of Armed a forces and other potential users some 109 helicopters will be delivered, having been manufactured in house by Tusas under license.

That brings to mind that the license agreement that was to be coming to an end shortly leaving some 70 or so helicopters not produced , may have been sorted out.

 

[boredaf]

TSK'ya T-70 helikopteri teslimatı

“Kara Kuvvetleri Komutanlığımızca, muhtelif miktarda T-70 Genel Maksat Helikopterinin muayene ve kabul faaliyeti tamamlanmıştır.” Türk Silahlı Kuvvetlerinin en büyük planlı tatbikatlarından EFES – 2024 Birleşik Müşterek Fiili Atışlı Arazi Tatbikatı’nın Fiili Atışlı Arazi Safhası 9-30 Mayıs...

www.defenceturk.net

A number of T70 Blackhawk helicopters have been delivered to various units of TURKISH armed Forces. This includes deliveries to Land Forces and Gendarmerie.

One statement in above news piece is interesting that for the next 10 years to various departments of Armed a forces and other potential users some 109 helicopters will be delivered, having been manufactured in house by Tusas under license.

That brings to mind that the license agreement that was to be coming to an end shortly leaving some 70 or so helicopters not produced , may have been sorted out.

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Finally some good helicopter news! Shame we couldn't produce more while we have the license though. Now, we just need to get the license to Augusta's naval helicopter and start producing that for our Navy until Gökbey, or, T925 is ready.

 

[Huelague]

What about heavy weight (9-10t) Utility helikopter?

 

[Sanchez]

Finally an update on T625 production. Wonder what is the project length for these deliveries.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1800827545325281693

“ASELSAN received an order with a total value of 48,760,000 USD from TAI-Turkish Aerospace Industries for the supply of avionic equipment within the scope of the Unique Helicopter Project.“

 

[Sanchez]

How do we know that it is for Gökbey?
In the official statement is only written "Özgün Helikopter Projesi".
Every helicopter project from TAI is "Özgün Helikopter Projesi".
So i think that SavunmaSanayiST makes only an assumption.

My thinking is that no other single TAI helicopter project is in such a state to require 50 million dollars worth of avionics anytime soon but the T625 which should now be completing its tests with gendarme and getting ready for serial production.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Logic says it should be Gökbey, but it does not change the fact that it is only an assumption.
E.g. Aselsan signs contracts for navy projects years before production.

Aslo T 70 blackhawk but most probably is for Gökbey

 

[Sanchez]

Aslo T 70 blackhawk but most probably is for Gökbey

T70 is not “özgün” tho. And I’m thinking all the signings should be already done for that program.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1803034371315683422

The first three T-929 will be delivered in 2025.

 

[boredaf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1803034371315683422

The first three T-929 will be delivered in 2025.

I would've believed it if they said first three Gökbey.