TR Attack & Utility Helicopter Programs

[Huelague]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1803034371315683422

The first three T-929 will be delivered in 2025.

Is this the final design?

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

Is this the final design?

It looks like a mock up.

 

[Agha Sher]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1803034371315683422

The first three T-929 will be delivered in 2025.

Complete circus from TAI. Finish up T-625 first! there is no urgency for T-929.

 

[Pinco Pallino]

The first three T-929 will be delivered in 2025.

The video still shows the helicopter at the cerimony of May 2023.

Expecting deliveries in 2025 is completely unrealistic.

 

[Kartal1]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1803034371315683422

The first three T-929 will be delivered in 2025.

We even thought that the program got suspended for indefinite time and now this? I don't know what to think about that.

 

[Sanchez]

We even thought that the program got suspended for indefinite time and now this? I don't know what to think about that.

This is presumably old stuff from 2022 or so.

 

[Zafer]

Complete circus from TAI. Finish up T-625 first! there is no urgency for T-929.

Conflicts around the world are heating up. There are other makers who want to grab market share, Turkish military are not the only customer.

 

[Sanchez]

Conflicts around the world are heating up. There are other makers who want to grab market share, Turkish military are not the only customer.

Is there really a market out there for an Apache/Mi-28 weight class heavy attack helicopter that won’t be filled with Apaches or lower weight class helicopters like Zulu Cobra, Z-10 or the AW-249?

I don’t think TAI is developing all this for the export market.

 

[Zafer]

Is there really a market out there for an Apache/Mi-28 weight class heavy attack helicopter that won’t be filled with Apaches or lower weight class helicopters like Zulu Cobra, Z-10 or the AW-249?

I don’t think TAI is developing all this for the export market.

Every product creates its own market, Italians see that. Buyers can choose from makers who are better aligned with them politically. New markets open up when economies evolve, African countries are in the market for bigger weapons. We can provide a better prize point than other makers. We maybe lacking engines for now but engine business is in the process of expansion too.

 

[Sanchez]

Every product creates its own market, Italians see that. Buyers can choose from makers who are better aligned with them politically. New markets open up when economies evolve, African countries are in the market for bigger weapons. We can provide a better prize point than other makers. We maybe lacking engines for now but engine business is in the process of expansion too.

For Italians, replacing their own A129s is the main goal with token European sales. African countries that need and can afford attack helicopters already do.

Being a 10+ ton attack helicopter, I do not see T929 being an export success. If T629 was around, that’s another point and can find customers more readily.

 

[Zafer]

For Italians, replacing their own A129s is the main goal with token European sales. African countries that need and can afford attack helicopters already do.

Being a 10+ ton attack helicopter, I do not see T929 being an export success. If T629 was around, that’s another point and can find customers more readily.

There is a power shift going on in the world and buyers can switch suppliers down the road. Türkiye needs to become a one stop shop for defence products and having no attack helicopter to sell does not help with this goal. Every bit of effort is worthwhile and Türkiye is well positioned to achieve full range provider status. Price point advantage is the king.

 

[Sanchez]

There is a power shift going on in the world and buyers can switch suppliers down the road. Türkiye needs to become a one stop shop for defence products and having no attack helicopter to sell does not help with this goal. Every bit of effort is worthwhile and Türkiye is well positioned to achieve full range provider status. Price point advantage is the king.

I dont disagree with the outlook but three points. Number of countries that need a helicopter of this caliber and ones that won’t just buy an Apache can be counted with five fingers. We don’t have a project to nationalize the engines for T925 and T929 and our first priority should be for our own needs.

 

[Zafer]

I dont disagree with the outlook but three points. Number of countries that need a helicopter of this caliber and ones that won’t just buy an Apache can be counted with five fingers. We don’t have a project to nationalize the engines for T925 and T929 and our first priority should be for our own needs.

GE being a partner to TEI is the problem but the restructuring engine industry may remedy the situation in the long run.

 

[Sanchez]

GE being a partner to TEI is the problem but the restructuring engine industry may remedy the situation in the long run.

No other TAI or TEI owned company have a relevant engine project as well. TRMotor existing doesn’t take away the TEI shares away from GE. What really matters is the IP rights. Everyone wants to make money and that far down the line for a subcomponent, unless there’s a blanket embargo(something we only saw in 70s) the parts will be delivered as they have been delivered as requested for multitudes of projects for the last decade.

 

[Zafer]

No other TAI or TEI owned company have a relevant engine project as well. TRMotor existing doesn’t take away the TEI shares away from GE. What really matters is the IP rights. Everyone wants to make money and that far down the line for a subcomponent, unless there’s a blanket embargo(something we only saw in 70s) the parts will be delivered as they have been delivered as requested for multitudes of projects for the last decade.

TEI being partners with GE prevents Türkiye from investing more in TEI. Türkiye can not afford to continue to rely on foreign companies for engine supply. Baykar starting turbine engine manufacturing can bring some changes. They want to make turbofan and turboprop engines. If they go into manufacturing as well as design then it may be a different picture in a 5 year time-frame. TUSAŞ can benefit from the presence of a second manufacturer.

I would like to remind how Türkiye was excluded from the F35 project for questionable reasons to those who want to rely on GE engines.

 

[Sanchez]

TEI being partners with GE prevents Türkiye from investing more in TEI. Türkiye can not afford to continue to rely on foreign companies for engine supply. Baykar starting turbine engine manufacturing can bring some changes. They want to make turbofan and turboprop engines. If they go into manufacturing as well as design then it may be a different picture in a 5 year time-frame. TUSAŞ can benefit from the presence of a second manufacturer.

I would like to remind how Türkiye was excluded from the F35 project for questionable reasons to those who want to rely on GE engines.

Turkey trusts TEI to develop Kaan’s engines. Turkey is already relying on GE engines to develop Kaan itself and for turbines on our ships. TEI is directly responsible for our most important engine project, as well as many others, namely the TS1400 re this topic.

 

[Zafer]

Turkey trusts TEI to develop Kaan’s engines. Turkey is already relying on GE engines to develop Kaan itself and for turbines on our ships. TEI is directly responsible for our most important engine project, as well as many others, namely the TS1400 re this topic.

That makes TR Motor a nobody in your view while it is wholly owned by TUSAŞ and tasked to develop the Kaan engine.

Before we parted our ways with the F35 we were making the cockpit section of the F35 and its displays but that partnership had evaporated overnight. Who can tell if GE will serve our purposes next year, nobody.

 

[uçuyorum]

TEI is very important for one thing many of our other companies have not been able to: it has become an indispensable part of GE's and industry's supply chain. That integration has afforded many technologies we would have not been able to easily get otherwise and this still continues to give is some leverage. Taking away TEI would come with great cost to GE, which influences even US politics to a certain extent. More such companies would be beneficial to us.

 

[I_Love_F16]

TUSAŞ Expects 300 Orders for KAAN Fighter | TURDEF

In his interview, TUSAŞ’s new General Manager, Dr Mehmet Demiroğlu, talked about the KAAN Fighter jet and other projects.

turdef.com

We also have the confirmation that the ATAK-2 is currently frozen, in priority to the Gokbey and the T925 Utility helicopter. But there’s nothing about the current status of Gokbeys in the article. When will they be delivered ?

 

[uçuyorum]

We also have the confirmation that the ATAK-2 is currently frozen, in priority to the Gokbey and the T925 Utility helicopter. But there’s nothing about the current status of Gokbeys in the article. When will they be delivered ?

He said august in interview