TR Attack & Utility Helicopter Programs

[Merzifonlu]

Göksu is a horrible name for a helicopter.

IMO, a perfect name for a firefighting helicopter. However, it is too feminine a name for a military helicopter.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

According to latest news coming out from the region;
Due to excessive bombing by the Russians there is no engine coming out of the Motor Sich factory that are related to turbofans.
However the helicopter engine production, specifically the TV3-117VMA-SBM1V engine, seems to be still alive. However, how long this can be the case, is anybody’s guess.

There's an urgent need to move production to Türkiye even securing the rights.

 

[Gaucho]

T925 GÖKSU

 

[Gaucho]

T925 GÖKSU

It looks a little bigger than the Black Hawk Armed it would be beautiful!!

 

[Sanchez]

4th Air force CSAR delivery.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1963884382571172289

5th and I believe the last SAR/CSAR T70 will be delivered to air force tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1973676405574779162

 

[zio]

How can it be CSAR without self protection systems,photo by cem doğut.

 

[MonteCarlo]

The livery used on delivered Gökbey's does them such a disservice when they can look this good with a proper paint job

 

[Pokemonte13]

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The livery used on delivered Gökbey's does them such a disservice when they can look this good with a proper paint job

Jeah but jandarma is more of a civil security force

 

[UkroTurk]

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The livery used on delivered Gökbey's does them such a disservice when they can look this good with a proper paint job

It is written there: " Experimental"

 

[Ripley]

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The livery used on delivered Gökbey's does them such a disservice when they can look this good with a proper paint job

Agree. Never been a fan of this livery.

Not only the livery scheme but the colors also bother me.
What is this?
Patrouille de France support helicopter or something?

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Agree. Never been a fan of this livery.

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Not only the livery scheme but the colors also bother me.
What is this?
Patrouille de France support helicopter or something?

I always see Russia with this color combo

 

[Fuzuli NL]

She looks good in any dress!

 

[Sanchez]

I see 4 T625s and 3-4 T129s at the back.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1986469830132670658

 

[Ripley]

The 'missing piece' in Türkiye's naval puzzle: Rotary-wing aircrafts​

The 'missing piece' in Türkiye's naval puzzle: Rotary-wing aircrafts - Türkiye Today

Türkiye's naval ambitions demand more helicopters, as defense analysts examine the challenges and domestic solutions shaping naval aviation's future

www.turkiyetoday.com

The first paragraph alone is more than enough to display insufficient and even neglected situation of Turkish Navy’s rotary wing fleet.

“The Turkish Navy's fleet of 24 Sikorsky S-70B Seahawk helicopters is facing mounting operational pressure as Ankara pursues a relatively aggressive naval expansion program, which includes at least 31 warships currently under construction.”

And below are some paragraphs that breakdown our missing and much needed mission profiles, capabilities for our envisioned fleet operations.

"In the future, when Turkish Navy task groups conduct operations from Anadolu at extended distances and without the support of friendly air bases, they will need their own AEW&C systems," Yaylali added.

"The most plausible solution for this requirement is a ship-based AEW&C system carried by an unmanned aerial vehicle specifically designed for this mission," Yaylali stated, adding that he is not aware of whether any work is currently underway in this area.

We’re too slow, lagging behind every naval operational requirements but we really can’t afford to be too late.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

The 'missing piece' in Türkiye's naval puzzle: Rotary-wing aircrafts​

The 'missing piece' in Türkiye's naval puzzle: Rotary-wing aircrafts - Türkiye Today

Türkiye's naval ambitions demand more helicopters, as defense analysts examine the challenges and domestic solutions shaping naval aviation's future

www.turkiyetoday.com

The first paragraph alone is more than enough to display insufficient and even neglected situation of Turkish Navy’s rotary wing fleet.

“The Turkish Navy's fleet of 24 Sikorsky S-70B Seahawk helicopters is facing mounting operational pressure as Ankara pursues a relatively aggressive naval expansion program, which includes at least 31 warships currently under construction.”

And below are some paragraphs that breakdown our missing and much needed mission profiles, capabilities for our envisioned fleet operations.

"In the future, when Turkish Navy task groups conduct operations from Anadolu at extended distances and without the support of friendly air bases, they will need their own AEW&C systems," Yaylali added.

"The most plausible solution for this requirement is a ship-based AEW&C system carried by an unmanned aerial vehicle specifically designed for this mission," Yaylali stated, adding that he is not aware of whether any work is currently underway in this area.

We’re too slow, lagging behind every naval operational requirements but we really can’t afford to be too late.

TAI T625 Gökbey is ready or needs some small modifications for navy ?

 

[Ripley]

TAI T625 Gökbey is ready or needs some small modifications for navy ?

Gökbey is ready alright. Around 60 is on order already but a navalized version of Gökbey is a totally new ball game. There’s no small modifications, I’m afraid.

According to Mr. Kozan Erkan, "As the navy grows, the Gokbey helicopter is being developed to withstand corrosion and harsh maritime conditions for anti-submarine warfare and vertical lift missions. Procuring the new version of the S-70 is not currently on the agenda; the plan is to meet this need entirely with Gokbey."

The 'missing piece' in Türkiye's naval puzzle: Rotary-wing aircrafts - Türkiye Today

Türkiye's naval ambitions demand more helicopters, as defense analysts examine the challenges and domestic solutions shaping naval aviation's future

www.turkiyetoday.com

 

[Yasar_TR]

The 'missing piece' in Türkiye's naval puzzle: Rotary-wing aircrafts​

The 'missing piece' in Türkiye's naval puzzle: Rotary-wing aircrafts - Türkiye Today

Türkiye's naval ambitions demand more helicopters, as defense analysts examine the challenges and domestic solutions shaping naval aviation's future

www.turkiyetoday.com

The first paragraph alone is more than enough to display insufficient and even neglected situation of Turkish Navy’s rotary wing fleet.

“The Turkish Navy's fleet of 24 Sikorsky S-70B Seahawk helicopters is facing mounting operational pressure as Ankara pursues a relatively aggressive naval expansion program, which includes at least 31 warships currently under construction.”

And below are some paragraphs that breakdown our missing and much needed mission profiles, capabilities for our envisioned fleet operations.

"In the future, when Turkish Navy task groups conduct operations from Anadolu at extended distances and without the support of friendly air bases, they will need their own AEW&C systems," Yaylali added.

"The most plausible solution for this requirement is a ship-based AEW&C system carried by an unmanned aerial vehicle specifically designed for this mission," Yaylali stated, adding that he is not aware of whether any work is currently underway in this area.

We’re too slow, lagging behind every naval operational requirements but we really can’t afford to be too late.

This is a very sore point!
If you check the inventory of TCG Anadolu, it can have a complement of 10 to 12 Seahawks. But for core operations it has got to have at least 2 Seahawks.
For ASW operations there are AB212 helicopters that are also sea worthy. But there may be only 4 of these left. And for attack helicopters that can reside on Anadolu, we have the 49 years old Super Cobra helicopters transferred from Army.

Some of the prospective ships of the fleet needing Seahawks:

4 x Barbaros,
4 x Gabya, (with İstif coming only 4 may stay operational)
8 x İstif,
4 x Ada,
10 x Hisar,
2 x Bayraktar,
2 x Anadolu

34 Seahawks or similar will be needed. We have 24 in inventory.
Seahawk is a 10ton class helicopter with operational weight being in excess of 8 tons.
The Gokbey order of 57 units placed by the Turkish navy, if going to be navalised (which by the way not an easy task),is will only be useful for light duties as it is a 6 ton class craft. Where as a Seahawk has the capacity to launch an Orka light torpedo, a Gokbey would not be able to do that.
Buying new Seahawks are an expensive exercise. Especially nowadays. So local production is the correct route to take.

 

[boredaf]

So local production is the correct route to take.

In long term, Gökbey not only isn't ready but it isn't even enough and T925 exist only on paper yet, we can't wait for them. We should've made a deal for AgustWestland's Merlin and AW149 ages ago and started production already at least we could've had 8 and 15 tonne helicopters (for TF2000) in production already.

 

[Quasar]

This is a very sore point!
If you check the inventory of TCG Anadolu, it can have a complement of 10 to 12 Seahawks. But for core operations it has got to have at least 2 Seahawks.
For ASW operations there are AB212 helicopters that are also sea worthy. But there may be only 4 of these left. And for attack helicopters that can reside on Anadolu, we have the 49 years old Super Cobra helicopters transferred from Army.

Some of the prospective ships of the fleet needing Seahawks:

4 x Barbaros,
4 x Gabya, (with İstif coming only 4 may stay operational)
8 x İstif,
4 x Ada,
10 x Hisar,
2 x Bayraktar,
2 x Anadolu

34 Seahawks or similar will be needed. We have 24 in inventory.
Seahawk is a 10ton class helicopter with operational weight being in excess of 8 tons.
The Gokbey order of 57 units placed by the Turkish navy, if going to be navalised (which by the way not an easy task),is will only be useful for light duties as it is a 6 ton class craft. Where as a Seahawk has the capacity to launch an Orka light torpedo, a Gokbey would not be able to do that.
Buying new Seahawks are an expensive exercise. Especially nowadays. So local production is the correct route to take.

eventhough it is quite impressive, flight readiness and availability rate of Seahawks should also be taken into consideration ,,,, 1 or 2 Seahawks can always be missing,

10 x Hisar and 2 x Bayraktar can utilize Gökbey ? And Seahawks for Barbaros, Gabya, İstif, Ada and Anadolu....? but defintly this is at best a short term solution.

@Anmdt there supposed to be a dipping sonar tested on Gökbey?

 

[HKY]

This is a very sore point!
If you check the inventory of TCG Anadolu, it can have a complement of 10 to 12 Seahawks. But for core operations it has got to have at least 2 Seahawks.
For ASW operations there are AB212 helicopters that are also sea worthy. But there may be only 4 of these left. And for attack helicopters that can reside on Anadolu, we have the 49 years old Super Cobra helicopters transferred from Army.

Some of the prospective ships of the fleet needing Seahawks:

4 x Barbaros,
4 x Gabya, (with İstif coming only 4 may stay operational)
8 x İstif,
4 x Ada,
10 x Hisar,
2 x Bayraktar,
2 x Anadolu

34 Seahawks or similar will be needed. We have 24 in inventory.
Seahawk is a 10ton class helicopter with operational weight being in excess of 8 tons.
The Gokbey order of 57 units placed by the Turkish navy, if going to be navalised (which by the way not an easy task),is will only be useful for light duties as it is a 6 ton class craft. Where as a Seahawk has the capacity to launch an Orka light torpedo, a Gokbey would not be able to do that.
Buying new Seahawks are an expensive exercise. Especially nowadays. So local production is the correct route to take.

Wrong. Chinese z-9 Naval heli with 4 ton mtow is able to carry torpedoes. Naval Gokbey could easily carry torpedoes with 6 ton mtow.