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Maximilian Veers

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Now that I think about it, maybe we don't want it to end so soon? The longer it takes, the more Azerbaijan departs Russia's sphere of influence and gets integrated into Turkey's geostrategy with more TR-made weapon systems. Afterall, these conflicts create an important trial and marketing opportunity for our products. Turkey is aiming for $10 billion in defence exports by 2023 and these conflicts, while admittedly bad for the locals, provide the demand.

I hate to sound like a materialistic weasel but this is how the West does it and it appears Turkey has learned a few things. This allows ALL our objectives to be completed:

-- Help Azerbaijan gain territory
-- Keep the conflict "low intensity" to be able to control it and to avoid having to send TR troops
-- Minimize impact on Turkish economy
-- Minimize the risk of heavy RU involvement
-- Advertise Turkish weapon systems globally over a longer time
-- Punish Armenia with devastating attrition
-- Reduce Russian/Iranian influence in Azerbaijan
-- Turn Azerbaijan into Turkey's #1 defence customer

That said, I realize I might be completely wrong and maybe it is in our best interest to finish this shit as quickly as possible instead of dragging our feet. Hmm. :unsure:
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Ignoring the moral side of things, war is certainly a very good testbed to check your weapons. Especially if the war is being done by two other countries. Helps in future arms sales considering it gets the "tested in war" perk globally.

- War is often fluid and unpredictable. You might be winning today and losing tomorrow. More than enough examples in history where the losing side has turned things around.
- If the Armenians ask for help, Russians will have to pitch in. If they don't then the Armenians will go running into the arms of Europe. Wonder how a pro-NATO/Europe Armenia will look in front of the Ruskies.
- Unfortunately, as it seems right now Attrition goes both ways. Wonder how many good men have died for their country without any recognition.
- Also important to see how the world outside Azerbaijan and Turkey looks at you. If Public opinion goes against you, then there will be Public pressure on the democratic govt. to not engage with Turkey or Azher.

That is the problem with a long war. It difficult enough to build up your country over the years and decades and to see it all poof away over a war.
 
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They're saying the same as I said, Azerbaycan needs to progress and grab what they can before Russia get's involved.
 
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A lot of members here seem to refrain from using harsh words because of the "bonds" between Turkey and Azerbaïdjan,but they have proved to be a pathetic fighting force,lacking any useful strategy and sending poor conscripts to their death in frontal attacks against an enemy they know is well entrenched and has the heights.

The fact that Azerbaïdjan doesn't publish their casualties speaks about the huge losses they have suffered for negligeable gains on the ground despite a conventional opposing force that is inferior in all aspects. The only thing they did "good" was the use of drones similar to Turkey in Idlib,the rest is pretty much "déjà vu".
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Exactly, we don't want to pointing losses, war is not going in a way it was supposed to go . Azerbaijan suffered unexpected losses. They move aimlessly with their armoured like living coffins. They didn't consider ATGMs , completely ignored it . Turkish training didn't reflects on their movements .
To speak the truth, Armenians faced smartly to the better equiped and bigger Azerbaijan forces .
 
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Am I the only person suspecting Russian PMC's are already in Armenia. The amount of assets Azeri are loosing suddenly sort of feels like there is a semi-professional force already operating in the region.
 
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Azbaroj said:
Exactly, we don't want to pointing losses, war is not going in a way it was supposed to go . Azerbaijan suffered unexpected losses. They move aimlessly with their armoured like living coffins. They didn't consider ATGMs , completely ignored it . Turkish training didn't reflects on their movements .
To speak the truth, Armenians faced smartly to the better equiped and bigger Azerbaijan forces .
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Also it doesn't seem like Azerbaycan has a professional army. which I don't understand. Turkey should have enforced a standing professional army of at least 10.000 back in 2009 when we signed a treaty to train the soldiers.
 
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Am I the only person suspecting Russian PMC's are already in Armenia. The amount of assets Azeri are loosing suddenly sort of feels like there is a semi-professional force already operating in the region.
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Lol, no. It's just a well entrenched force picking off targets in open terrain with missiles and cannons, while the opposing force doesn't bother with suppressing said force with arty and air-bombings.
 
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