Azerbaijan Armenia Tensions

[Bayraktar TB2]

I believe they have not just tarnished Turkish foreign diplomacy further, but also never contributed to any kind of battlefield success that I‘m aware of. They neither did any important fighting in Syria nor in Libya and as we can observe now, don‘t contribute to anything but breaking OPSEC in Azerbaijan.

The only thing they have been good at is filming themselves abusing civilians, doing drugs, infighting and commiting war crimes. It would be easier to overlook that if they were a somewhat capable fighting force like Wagner, who are also commiting war crimes, but Nope.

Worst part, they cost tax money and some claim they also get Turkish citizenship. Last thing I would want is these druggy nut jobs in same city as me.

Its either that or Turkish troops on the ground. What did wagner with 2500 men in libya do really other then run away when Turkey intervened ? They are cannon fodder really like these Syrians.

 

[Saithan]

Its either that or Turkish troops on the ground. What did wagner with 2500 men in libya do really other then run away when Turkey intervened ? They are cannon fodder really like these Syrians.

They move around stay low and gsin control of oilfields.

I hope it’s fake news and there aren’t involved in NK

 

[Agha Sher]

I believe they have not just tarnished Turkish foreign diplomacy further, but also never contributed to any kind of battlefield success that I‘m aware of. They neither did any important fighting in Syria nor in Libya and as we can observe now, don‘t contribute to anything but breaking OPSEC in Azerbaijan.

The only thing they have been good at is filming themselves abusing civilians, doing drugs, infighting and commiting war crimes. It would be easier to overlook that if they were a somewhat capable fighting force like Wagner, who are also commiting war crimes, but Nope.

Worst part, they cost tax money and some claim they also get Turkish citizenship. Last thing I would want is these druggy nut jobs in same city as me.

That is outright disrespectful to the thousands of killed and injured Syrians (incl. Turkmens) who laid their lives for the security and interest of Turkey. From Al-Bab to Afrin to Eastern Euphrates to Libya and now to Azerbaijan. In op Eastern Euphrates and Libya they did the primary groundwork.

Yes, they are not acting professional all the time, but without them, Turkey would have been at a poorer position in several places.

 

[liblob]

Its either that or Turkish troops on the ground. What did wagner with 2500 men in libya do really other then run away when Turkey intervened ? They are cannon fodder really like these Syrians.

I disagree. Like it or not, Wagner appeared to be one of the main factors why the LNA was able to push in at all. Wagner comes with armored vehicles, their own air defence assets, artillery and command vehicles. They are almost a self sufficient contingent.

Its either that or Turkish troops on the ground.

I‘m no military expert as everyone else here. As I said several times, in my book these Syrians aren‘t contributing to anything at all in this war, they are just problematic. So Syrians on the ground or not, doesn‘t make much difference.

They only fight for money, not Turkish interests, dude. I don‘t have any respect for them.

I‘ve already written too often about these Syrians in this thread and I‘m getting tired of it. So I‘ll stop to respond to this topoc from now on.

 

[Bayraktar TB2]

I disagree. Like it or not, Wagner appeared to be one of the main factors why the LNA was able to push in at all. Wagner comes with armored vehicles, their own air defence assets, artillery and command vehicles. They are almost a self sufficient contingent.


I‘m no military expert as everyone else here. As I said several times, in my book these Syrians aren‘t contributing to anything at all in this war, they are just problematic. So Syrians on the ground or not, doesn‘t make much difference.

They only fight for money, not Turkish interests, dude. I don‘t have any respect for them.

I‘ve already written too often about these Syrians in this thread and I‘m getting tired of it. So I‘ll stop to respond to this topoc from now on.

Yeah to do that wagner with Pantsirs and fighter aircraft. Really self sufficient lol.

 

[Captain_Azeri_76]

That is outright disrespectful to the thousands of killed and injured Syrians (incl. Turkmens) who laid their lives for the security and interest of Turkey. From Al-Bab to Afrin to Eastern Euphrates to Libya and now to Azerbaijan. In op Eastern Euphrates and Libya they did the primary groundwork.

Yes, they are not acting professional all the time, but without them, Turkey would have been at a poorer position in several places.

I have to agree with that brother - thanks for your words...
I am an opponent of the refugee deal with Europe and also not a friend of the 10 million refugees in turkey who harass and rob: women, children, old and men, in groups...

but many of the Syrian TFSA soldiers have to be thanked... they helped us in many operations, clumsy but self-sacrificing, they prevented many dead soldiers by doing the dirty work in northern Syria.. in that regard, please a little respect...

No man otokar cobra technicals azerbaijan border guards camo..

really bro? since when camo has anything to do with location? ISIS wore US camo, Russian, Iraqi and Syrian camo at some points (looted)...
All I see are Arab speaking men, wild firing, Toyotas with big-gun haha

 

[Ghost soldier]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1314976976604725249

Kamikaze UAVs belonging to the Azerbaijani army destroyed the tanks, radar and MBRL system of the invading Armenian forces.

 

[Hexciter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1314939616248692737

Do S-300 have ability to hit a Scud missile or its an Israeli system actually? @500

 

[Blackeyes90]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1314939616248692737

Do S-300 have ability to hit a Scud missile or its an Israeli system actually? @500

It depends on what kind of missiles loaded to S300's canister. And its Radar capabilities. Unfortunalety i am not familiar specifics of S300.

 

[Captain_Azeri_76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1314976976604725249

this is music is so fckd up hahaha its just WRONG LMFAO!

 

[Gary]

Guys, meme's are not allowed in a serious defense thread, here's a thread for posting meme's. Thank you.

The Meme Thread

for meme's and orange

defencehub.live

 

[Timur]

Thank God we kick them out of Anatolia. No matter how much we swear at the 3 pashas they saved Turkey from being another Karabag problem.

Armenians have always been problematic it is in their nature.

you know they have two brothers

 

[Vergennes]

Some nice pictures of Armenian SOF reportedly in action near Hadrut.

 

[500]

You know how we often discuss as if tanks are obsolete?

Maybe we should discuss if TB2 has made SAM systems obsolete!!!!!

Even stealth fighters don't have this kind of kill rate against SAMs.

Strike drones are slow, high flying, non maneuverable, non stealthy. So any medium range SAM can detect them from long distance and easily shoot them down. Even old ones like S-125 or SA-6.

If you deal with decent multilayer air defence, you need:

1) Take town long and medium range SAMs, long range radars and command centers with cruise missiles at all known locations.
2) Launch cheap and small observation drones which will search for the remaining medium range SAMs and guide missiles, glide bombs and kamikaze drones on them. Also use false targets which will provoke SAMs to expose themselves.
3) Only after suppressing long and medium SAMs u can launch strike drones to hunt for short range SAMs and destroy all other stuff.

The real thing that strike drones made largely obsolete is combat helicopters.

 

[Yoyo]

Strike drones are slow, high flying, non maneuverable, non stealthy. So any medium range SAM can detect them from long distance and easily shoot them down. Even old ones like S-125 or SA-6.

If you deal with decent multilayer air defence, you need:

1) Take town long and medium range SAMs, long range radars and command centers with cruise missiles at all known locations.
2) Launch cheap and small observation drones which will search for the remaining medium range SAMs and guide missiles, glide bombs and kamikaze drones on them. Also use false targets which will provoke SAMs to expose themselves.
3) Only after suppressing long and medium SAMs u can launch strike drones to hunt for short range SAMs and destroy all other stuff.

The real thing that strike drones made largely obsolete is combat helicopters.

A single UAV, yes, perhaps it's easy to shoot. But luckily, UAVs are cheap and can do saturation attacks.
You don't have to be fast to kill SAMs. You have to be cheap and expandable. You send in many cheap decoys designed to saturate enemy airspace and trick SAMs into firing their missiles. Once they run out of missiles, you send in your weaponized UAVs, kamikaze drones and other loitering munitions to take out their radars and launchers.
This method is cheap and effective and doesn't risk any pilots' lives or expensive jet aircraft.

 

[Vergennes]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1315007432960114688

 

[Gary]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1315007318396895232

 

[Gary]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1315000734212128768

 

[ninmado]

Wow, they really look like ExPeRiEnCeD, bATtLE HaRdeNeD fIGhTeRs as someone here suggested to me several times.

Just randomly firing through bushes.
Their battle tactic seems to work like this:

Dude, don‘t call them "Turkish" in any context, or I might throw up.

The amount of times I winced at the guy casually walking in the line of fire to get something from the truck.
Like wtf bro

 

[LienNoir]

Bruhh...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1315017542637887488