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[Bluetooth]

Here's the journal I am talking about.

 

[Flextape]

Vai an article in the 2016 army official journal mentions that there are 24 ATGW weapons available in a brigade which means at least 8 are available for a battalion.so there should be a support element/compani in the battalion itself.accordingly 8 are attached per brigade as the auther mention.other than open source I don't have access to documents related to our doctorine. So maybe you know better.

You are partially correct. Yes, an Inf Bn has 8 Atgm/RR but they are under a Sp Pl in the Rifle Coy, not as a separate SP Coy.

Also ANNX-17 shows that 8 are available from the "Divisional Resources", which indicates its from one of the 3 AGTM pl of the ATGM Coy of the Div SP Bn. Also the chances of these getting attached to any Bde but the Div Defence Bde is very unlikely

pic-1 shows that each Coy has 2 therefore the Bn has 8 as stated before
pic 2 shows the Organisation of and Inf Bn with no separate SP Coy (Unlike the Div Sp Bn)
(Both Pictures are taken from GSTP-2630 ICIB and are heavily redacted for obvious reasons)

usually they regular inf bn dont get Atgm Eqpt but they do have a mortar pl

Also I was wrong while typing this, an Inf Bn Does get 8 atgm/rr organically

 

[PutinBro]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1731621619377070085

 

[PutinBro]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1731626782720492026

 

[yf120]

Bangladesh Army to receive US-made Boeing Insitu RQ-21A Blackjack UAVs

The United States has confirmed the transfer of RQ-21A Blackjack Unmanned Aerial Systems (UAS) to Bangladesh Army. This development was jointly announced b

airrecognition.com

It looks like the army is doing things as usual when the BAF has been failing for the last 20 years, except for some political stunts

 

[Bluetooth]

It looks like the army is doing things as usual

They are receiving those as gratis.But they may buy more in future or get Turkish equivalent.

except for some political stunts

I don't understand what makes you say that.But if you got professional insight,documents,articles or anything about our trainer and UAV project that supports your claim you can post it here.

 

[yf120]

They are receiving those as gratis.But they may buy more in future or get Turkish equivalent.


I don't understand what makes you say that.But if you got professional insight,documents,articles or anything about our trainer and UAV project that supports your claim you can post it here.

If you have not been familiar with the baf for the last couple of decades for their stunts and disappointments, then there are these obvious reasons for you to disbelieve what I said and will say. What articles and documents? This just made me laugh in a country where defense, its value, and open discussions about it are still considered somewhat taboo, and the sector has been under the slow influence of direct politicization. The symptoms and indications are there. Not to mention, there is a large group of people who are against the defense procurements, I think you know who we are talking about and their agenda here, at least. Anyway, do you consider Baf has any detterence or has had any for the last 15 years? If you also believe the revelation of trainers just two months before is just a coincidence, not the past year or next year, then I have nothing to say. Trainers and UAVs are not replaceable with fighter jets or kopters right now and probably for the next decade, especially for a country like BD when they are completely new in here.
Baf also could have gotten many gratis, right? like the Navy and Army, but they did not.

 

[Bluetooth]

From what we know about the project it is slowly turning out to be a solid basic trainer that could fulfill BAFs requirements that could replace pt-6 if successful.Nobody thought or expected it to be Grob equivalent or be world class and there is always room for improvement.But considering the infancy of our aviation industry, everyone was happy.

As you showed dissatisfaction I only asked that if you knew any insider information that we didn't know. But now as I looked at your activity in this forum, I immediately regreted that I even started this discussion with you.

 

[yf120]

From what we know about the project it is slowly turning out to be a solid basic trainer that could fulfill BAFs requirements that could replace pt-6 if successful.Nobody thought or expected it to be Grob equivalent or be world class and there is always room for improvement.But considering the infancy of our aviation industry, everyone was happy.

As you showed dissatisfaction I only asked that if you knew any insider information that we didn't know. But now as I looked at your activity in this forum, I immediately regreted that I even started this discussion with you.

Sorry to disappoint you, but you are asking for something that probably the wikileaks or something like that can give you right now. Though fear not, leave it to history to tell you what has been done. These all might feel like conspiracy theories to you, I'm afraid. And yes, I'm very angry at baf. Since my teenage years until now, I have had multiple emotional phases because of them and their hype, ending up with a negative hope for the last couple of years for their last couple of stunts to fool us. I guess we will never have a powerful or competent air force, which we most need in this era of modern warfare. Also yes, i would be full of joy and a bright future for the trainers baf wants to make if it were the 90s, and right, those pearl harbored PT6 have to be replaced with some indigenously made crafts, obviously. More profit.

 

[Afif]

Looks like army's PL-96 has got digital fire control upgrade.
@Isa Khan

 

[Afif]

@Flextape know something about it?

 

[Flextape]

Excellent Find Afif! Even I didn't know anything about it, all I can add is that this gun is from 24th Medium Regiment Artillery stationed in Ramu Cantonment under 10th Artillery Brigade

 

[Afif]

Excellent Find Afif! Even I didn't know anything about it, all I can add is that this gun is from 24th Medium Regiment Artillery stationed in Ramu Cantonment under 10th Artillery Brigade

I am not sure if there is something as 24th Medium Arty Regt.

Medium Artillery Regiments are

*10th
*19th
*28th
*41th
*58th

You probbaly meant 28th Med Arty Regt? But according to the ISPR release below, it is the 41th Medium Arty Regt that was raised with 10th Artillery brigade in Ramu.

রামু সেনানিবাসে কক্সবাজার এরিয়ায় নতুন ৭টি ইউনিটের পতাকা উত্তোলন অনুষ্ঠিত -

কক্সবাজার, ০৯ ফেব্রুয়ারি ২০১৭ ঃ কক্সবাজার এরিয়ায় নবপ্রতিষ্ঠিত ০৭ টি ইউনিটের পতাকা উত্তোলন অনুষ্ঠান আজ…

www.ispr.gov.bd

Additionally, at the same year Army issued RFP for procuring 1 Regiment of 155mm light towed howitzer. Which I assumed to be for the newly raised 41th Med Arty Regt.

 

[Flextape]

You probbaly meant 28th Med Arty Regt? But according to the ISPR release below, it is the 41th Medium Arty Regt that was raised with 10th Artillery brigade in Ramu.

yes yes, it was a misclick, its the 28th, my fathers' parent unit

 

[Afif]

yes yes, it was a misclick, its the 28th, my fathers' parent unit

So, 10th brigade has 2 Med arty Regt?

 

[Flextape]

yes yes, it was a misclick, its the 28th, my fathers' parent unit

As far as I know, 41Med Moved away and 28Med came in. it happened in 2018 and i was present in ramu during the movement of units

 

[Afif]

As far as I know, 41Med Moved away and 28Med came in. it happened in 2018 and i was present durng the movevemt of units

Temporary or permanent? Where is 41th Regt now?

 

[Gary]

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Looks like army's PL-96 has got digital fire control upgrade.
@Isa Khan

Is this locally upgraded ? reminded me of our modernized M1 105mm guns we upgrade with digital calculator, Howcanpams (Howitzer Cannon Positioning Alignment and Monitoring Systems)

 

[Afif]

Is this locally upgraded ? reminded me of our modernized M1 105mm guns we upgrade with digital calculator, Howcanpams (Howitzer Cannon Positioning Alignment and Monitoring Systems)

Not impossible, but the kits likely came from China.
I see this trend in South Asian armies. They can’t really afford new stuff in large numbers to replace the existing inventory. So, they just slap some electronics on old systems.

 

[PutinBro]

Looking at the notoriously high casualty rate of towed 155mm guns in russo-ukr conflict , its good news that we haven't selected any new towed 155mm for our med arty regiments.If I'm not wrong the process of acquiring new 105 and 155mm guns was started in the tenure of our previous CAS but it appears army has only finalised the 105mm (boran). (@Flextape may know better)

105mm for field arty and wheeled 155mm sph for med arty are the way forward.this also makes sense as med arty is tasked with counter battery as the author of this article points out-

Army's Artillery modernisation need.

155/52 SP Howitzers

To provide effective and persistent counter-battery fires, it is critical to survive the enemy CB (counter bombardment) first. Hence, Range and mobility becomes essential. In a potential future conflict, Army's Medium Artillery Regiments will be tasked with providing counter battery fires against adversary’s long range heavy Artillery as Army's 105mm and 122mm field artillery guns are simply cannot reach them. However, Army's Medium Artillery Regiments are mostly equipped with old, towed, Chinese 130mm Type-59-1 and 122mm PL-96 guns that doesn’t have the accuracy of digital automatic fire control system or more critically, the range of 155mm/52 calibre heavy Artillery. (which neighbouring country is standardising for its artillery branch)

Ukraine battlefield has clearly demonstrated that 'mobility' (almost) equal 'survivability'. However, except one self propelled Regiment of NORA B-52 K1, all the other assets of Army's artillery are towed. That include approximately thirty field Artillery Regiments and five medium artillery regiments. In tomorrow's war fighting, where responses time is rapidly shortening due to introduction of advanced C4, battle management systems and automatic fire control systems, this rigid old school towed Artillery force of the Army will not survive a competent adversary. While due to budget limitation it is practically not possible to transform the whole Artillery branch into a Self propelled one. Nor is it desirable as in the hilly terrains of Chottogram and Sylhet districts light Towed guns are still more suitable on average.

Thus, to keep up with today's trends Army must introduce more long range 155/52 Self propelled heavy Artillery. And if budget does not allow to raise sufficient numbers of new SP Regiments and equip them alongside the existing Medium regiments, (which would likely to be the case) then in the long run when phasing out the old Type-59-1 130mm towed guns, army should convert three of the medium artillery regiments to SP Regiments, and equip them with 155mm/52 calibre long range SP Howitzers.

We recommend Army should raise two more SP Regiments by 2030 and additional four SP Regiments by 2040. Due to the budget limitation and logistical setup, Army is unlikely to afford tracked howitzers anytime soon. However, NORA B-52 has proven to be an adequate, cost effective weapon system for the Army. Procuring more of them would be the logical choice in short to medium term.