Biden announces Indo-Pacific economic pact to counter China

Jagdflieger

Contributor
Messages
496
Reactions
282
Nation of residence
China
Nation of origin
Germany
As I know, Samsung is still one of the best selling in the US. Many of my American partners use Samsung due to big screen with cool sylus pen plus good battery and they don't have to worry about spyware like using CN's phones (Xiaomi, Oppo )

View attachment 46331
--------------------


You know, the rich is always getting richer while the poor (CN workers, farmers etc) will keep becoming poorer as factories keep leaving CN plus weak demand due to high interrest rate, so no surprise when Vanke can sell more luxury houses. Same things happening in VN when luxury house sales still up even when poor workers like Samsung workers earn less money due to less working days.

The rich will not suffer anything , only the poor will . Trade war is killing 600 millions poor Cnese, high interest rate will kill the poor in all around the World, not the rich, even not the rich in N.Korea.
The trade war isn't really killing jobs - not to any significant extend. - see trade balance of China, which is very good.

The issue is that the Chinese government has IMO not taken recognizable steps towards encouraging the local domestic spending. Aside from property being bought by the middle class and rich anyway. The gap between poor and middle class is still too big. Meaning this 1500Rmb/month group compared to 6000Rmb/month of the lower middle class.
Presently it is estimated that 80-100 million of the poor and lower middle class do not receive regular income/wages since beginning of this year. Which is however in vast majority related to Covid-lock-downs.

The other issue is that the typical Chinese consumer spending is totally different from e.g. Western habits or even those of e.g. Korea, Japan, Malaysia, Singapore.
I wouldn't know about the Vietnamese attitude towards this. In the poor to middle class actually any $ that is not needed for daily necessities goes towards savings and not towards "enriching" live-style. Even in the upper middle class to rich this spending habit remains more or less the same.

The developed world-markets are getting more and more saturated and China's present consumer spending attitude is on a level known to me from e.g. Singapore and Malaysia of the 70's. So for China to make use of it's 1,4 billion consumers will certainly demand a big change towards it's culture/habits and will IMO take at least 20-25 years. My daughter now is 6 and I can see that she and her friends have a very different attitude towards life-style then those folks presently being 20-40 years old.
 

Viva_vietnamm

Contributor
Moderator
Vietnam Moderator
Messages
556
Reactions
2 456
Nation of residence
Vietnam
Nation of origin
Vietnam
The trade war isn't really killing jobs - not to any significant extend. - see trade balance of China, which is very good.

You don't see any significant extend bcs CN govt help the workers, who lost job in closed factories, find new jobs in real estate industry and another infrastructure projects like HSR which are in big debt now .
The issue is that the Chinese government has IMO not taken recognizable steps towards encouraging the local domestic spending. Aside from property being bought by the middle class and rich anyway. The gap between poor and middle class is still too big. Meaning this 1500Rmb/month group compared to 6000Rmb/month of the lower middle class.
Presently it is estimated that 80-100 million of the poor and lower middle class do not receive regular income/wages since beginning of this year. Which is however in vast majority related to Covid-lock-downs.
Yeah, most of rich ppl in VN and CN like to buy lands cos they think land price won't drop to fast like stock market or EURO money :LOL: . VNese and CNese have diffrent thinking with Westerner, we love saving, not spending so of course we never can create the local domestic spending like EU and US.

When EU and US feel that they are getting poor, they will attack and loot from other nations, thats their traditional habit. VN and CN can't do the same, thats why saving money is the only choice and it will be too hard to help the poor when CN can't export well due to trade war plus high interesrt rate

The other issue is that the typical Chinese consumer spending is totally different from e.g. Western habits or even those of e.g. Korea, Japan, Malaysia, Singapore.
I wouldn't know about the Vietnamese attitude towards this. In the poor to middle class actually any $ that is not needed for daily necessities goes towards savings and not towards "enriching" live-style. Even in the upper middle class to rich this spending habit remains more or less the same.
North VNese like saving too while South VNese prefer spending cos they lived under France-US's control for more than 100 years till 1975. Bcs of their (S.Vnese) spending habit, thats why many of them face with finace troubles during Covid lock-down and due to high interrest rate making them have less working days, many of them are going bankrupted and have to sell their houses.

The developed world-markets are getting more and more saturated and China's present consumer spending attitude is on a level known to me from e.g. Singapore and Malaysia of the 70's. So for China to make use of it's 1,4 billion consumers will certainly demand a big change towards it's culture/habits and will IMO take at least 20-25 years. My daughter now is 6 and I can see that she and her friends have a very different attitude towards life-style then those folks presently being 20-40 years old.
So, she also like spending habit ?? My kids (below 8 years old )are still being trained for Saving habit , they only dare to buy what I allow them to buy, even only dare to turn on TV when I agree cos "its for saving money " :LOL:
 

Jagdflieger

Contributor
Messages
496
Reactions
282
Nation of residence
China
Nation of origin
Germany
You don't see any significant extend bcs CN govt help the workers, who lost job in closed factories, find new jobs in real estate industry and another infrastructure projects like HSR which are in big debt now .
Not really - the times are over (since about 2010) that government run companies are "over-employing" in order to make general stats look favorable.
If they are young people (up to 30) - they basically stay with their families and try to work mostly part-time in the service industry. Between the age 30-50 you will hardly find unemployed people. Those from 50-60 are already mostly receiving a pension and also work part-time preferably in community service (females) or in the private security services, delivery services, etc.

BTW, presently those scooter delivery chaps - thanks to Covid- are making 15-20,000Rmb/month - o_O (more or less tax-free)
Yeah, most of rich ppl in VN and CN like to buy lands cos they think land price won't drop to fast like stock market or EURO money :LOL: . VNese and CNese have diffrent thinking with Westerner, we love saving, not spending so of course we never can create the local domestic spending like EU and US.
Yes it will take time to change the consumer spending habit - at least one generation. Till then progress will be slow but steady. especially once this Covid is getting under control. New markets is the essential idea behind China's "One road One world" project due to the stagnation and saturation of the US, EU markets. Till China's consumer spending culture doesn't change (if ever) it needs these new markets. Maybe Vietnam should look into this too - and not rely (almost solely) too much onto the US and EU markets.
When EU and US feel that they are getting poor, they will attack and loot from other nations, thats their traditional habit. VN and CN can't do the same, thats why saving money is the only choice and it will be too hard to help the poor when CN can't export well due to trade war plus high interesrt rate
As I already stated - export isn't the issue, it's running well - just the domestic market isn't anywhere as powerful/decisive as those of European countries. Basically also the reason why China isn't happy about Russia and it's war with Ukraine, or any war - US$ Billions not available for buying goods.
North VNese like saving too while South VNese prefer spending cos they lived under France-US's control for more than 100 years till 1975. Bcs of their (S.Vnese) spending habit, thats why many of them face with finace troubles during Covid lock-down and due to high interrest rate making them have less working days, many of them are going bankrupted and have to sell their houses.
Thanks - I had thought so, that the S-Vietnamese spending culture is different - or rather more to Malaysia, Singapore.
So, she also like spending habit ?? My kids (below 8 years old )are still being trained for Saving habit , they only dare to buy what I allow them to buy, even only dare to turn on TV when I agree cos "its for saving money " :LOL:
No, my girl is very "savings oriented" (she has a Chinese mother) :D, but if she asks me to buy something it is mostly something she can use for arts, out-door recreation or sports, or decorating her room (must be the father) not the usual toy and plastic junk, clothes overload and playing the whole day long with a Samsung I-pad or mobile. (But hey she knows how to operate my i-phone better than me) :D
 
Last edited:

Nilgiri

Experienced member
Moderator
Aviation Specialist
Messages
9,767
Reactions
119 19,788
Nation of residence
Canada
Nation of origin
India

CN's real estate crisis is too bad now and risks of bad debt for banks is also too high due to trade war and high interrest rate

---------------------------------------------------------------------------​

Chinese Homebuyers Across 22 Cities Refuse to Pay Mortgages​

  • Home loan payment halts may cause $83 billion of bad debt
  • China Construction Bank, Postal Bank, ICBC may be more exposed
Bloomberg News
July 13, 2022 at 9:40 AM GMT+7Updated onJuly 13, 2022 at 1:21 PM GMT+7

Across China, homebuyers are refusing to pay mortgages as property developers drag on construction projects, escalating the country’s real estate crisis and risks of bad debt for banks.
Buyers of 35 projects across 22 cities have decided to stop paying mortgages as of July 12 due to project delays and a drop in real estate prices, Citigroup Inc. analysts led by Griffin Chan wrote in a research report distributed on Wednesday.

The payment refusals underscore how the storm engulfing China’s property sector is now affecting the country’s middle class, posing a threat to social stability. Chinese banks already grappling with challenges from liquidity stress among developers now also have to brace for homebuyer defaults.

Delivery Delays​

Many Chinese cities are seeing delays in completion of new homes

Source: Citi Research, China Real Estate Information Corp.

Now is “a critical time for social stability,” said Chan, adding that “the forgoing of down payments may bring social instability.”
Wealth for You
Enjoying Bloomberg Wealth?
To read more articles based on your personal financial goals, answer these 3 questions that will tailor your reading experience.

Get started
A drop in home values hasn’t helped. Average selling prices of properties in nearby projects in 2022 were on average 15% lower than purchase costs in the past three years, according to Citigroup’s research.

The contagion is spreading to banks. Non-performing loans triggered by the wave of mortgage payment snubs could reach as much as 561 billion yuan ($83 billion), about 1.4% of the outstanding mortgage balance, according to Chan.
While the overall impact on banks will be “manageable,” state lenders including China Construction Bank Corp., Postal Savings Bank of China Co. and Industrial & Commercial Bank of China Ltd. may have more exposure to mortgages, and could suffer setbacks amid dampened investor sentiment, Chan wrote.

Postal Savings Bank’s shares fell 3.3% as of 2 p.m. in Shanghai, while ICBC declined 2%. The CSI 300 Banks Index fell as much as 2.7%, the most since April 25.
For Chinese banks, the non-performing loan ratio of mortgages was well below the level of other forms of lending, according to the banking regulator. At China Construction Bank, only 0.2% of its residential mortgages were bad as of December, compared with 1.42% for total loans.
The latest development comes at a time when renewed risks of Covid restrictions also pose a threat to the industry. A key real estate index fell for a third day Wednesday, heading for the lowest level since March.
Read: How China’s property bond plunge is spreading
A Bloomberg index of China’s high-yield dollar bonds fell to the lowest in a decade as of Tuesday. Domestic bonds of large property developers, including Gemdale Corp. and Country Garden Holdings Co., also slumped to record lows.


Check this out bro

 

Viva_vietnamm

Contributor
Moderator
Vietnam Moderator
Messages
556
Reactions
2 456
Nation of residence
Vietnam
Nation of origin
Vietnam
Not really - the times are over (since about 2010) that government run companies are "over-employing" in order to make general stats look favorable.

If they are young people (up to 30) - they basically stay with their families and try to work mostly part-time in the service industry. Between the age 30-50 you will hardly find unemployed people. Those from 50-60 are already mostly receiving a pension and also work part-time preferably in community service (females) or in the private security services, delivery services, etc.



BTW, presently those scooter delivery chaps - thanks to Covid- are making 15-20,000Rmb/month - o_O (more or less tax-free)

Yes it will take time to change the consumer spending habit - at least one generation. Till then progress will be slow but steady. especially once this Covid is getting under control. New markets is the essential idea behind China's "One road One world" project due to the stagnation and saturation of the US, EU markets. Till China's consumer spending culture doesn't change (if ever) it needs these new markets. Maybe Vietnam should look into this too - and not rely (almost solely) too much onto the US and EU markets.



As I already stated - export isn't the issue, it's running well - just the domestic market isn't anywhere as powerful/decisive as those of European countries. Basically also the reason why China isn't happy about Russia and it's war with Ukraine, or any war - US$ Billions not available for buying goods.
Yeah, some scooter delivery chaps - thanks to Covid- are making 15-20,000Rmb/month, but in general, at least 600 million CNese are still suffering hard life plus not easy to find good-stanble jobs now. How many scooter delivery chaps are making 15-20,000Rmb/month now ?? Only few thousands I guess while millions Cnese earn almost Zero Rmb as they have to stay at home during Covid lockdown.

Changing habit is not easy when you don't know what will happen next when facing so many bad things (Trade war, covid, real estate collapse, hard to find stable jobs etc ).

"Thanks" for spending habit in European countries and US, we can predict that WW3, if it happen, will happen in Europe again as attacking and looting from other nations is the only way to erase their debt and help them have more money to keep spending.

Thanks - I had thought so, that the S-Vietnamese spending culture is different - or rather more to Malaysia, Singapore.

Yeah, but many of them are not rich like Malaysia, Singapore ppl, so they are in big debt now :LOL:
No, my girl is very "savings oriented" (she has a Chinese mother) :D, but if she asks me to buy something it is mostly something she can use for arts, out-door recreation or sports, or decorating her room (must be the father) not the usual toy and plastic junk, clothes overload and playing the whole day long with a Samsung I-pad or mobile. (But hey she knows how to operate my i-phone better than me) :D
Thats true, my kids also use my smartphone better than me :LOL: but I think most of kids in N.VN will still have saving habit as they are trained and leanred about saving money since they were born. Its also hard for VN to build a local domestic spending, we just try to avoid trade war.
 

xizhimen

Experienced member
Messages
7,391
Reactions
384
Nation of residence
China
Nation of origin
China
The global economic landscape now, we'll see how it would change in 5 years

njy7harpv3a91.jpg
 

Jagdflieger

Contributor
Messages
496
Reactions
282
Nation of residence
China
Nation of origin
Germany
Yeah, some scooter delivery chaps - thanks to Covid- are making 15-20,000Rmb/month, but in general, at least 600 million CNese are still suffering hard life plus not easy to find good-stanble jobs now. How many scooter delivery chaps are making 15-20,000Rmb/month now ?? Only few thousands I guess while millions Cnese earn almost Zero Rmb as they have to stay at home during Covid lockdown.
It just goes to show that many people that presently are out of a job - find ways to make money - e.g. delivery driver, etc.
Off course not everyone is making that kind of money (after 2 weeks - according to one of these guys you feel like dropping dead)
But there are presently millions of these delivery chaps making a good living - and tax free, not recorded as a regular income.

A neighbor of mine runs a coffee shop - and according to him, the best business for him was during Lock-down (delivery door to door) 3x the turnover of his shop in those 2-3 month. Whilst some others might have just closed their shop with rental to pay and no revenue.

Since about 2018 there is a huge (uber-driver) economy in China with millions driving - tax free, not registered. Same goes for all the millions of family run noodle shops in residential areas - average income around 3000Rmb - also tax free, not registered.

It just goes to show that it isn't 600 million people aged 20 - 55 hanging around with no income or suffering a hard live. It would be around 200 million. But as I stated already several times - China still needs another 20-25 years to get these things in order, independent of China's continued GDP growth.

That Covid and to a certain extend the trade-war has caused China to draw back it's goals by probably 2 years could very well be, but again this affects all countries worldwide - not just China.
 
Last edited:

Viva_vietnamm

Contributor
Moderator
Vietnam Moderator
Messages
556
Reactions
2 456
Nation of residence
Vietnam
Nation of origin
Vietnam
It just goes to show that many people that presently are out of a job - find ways to make money - e.g. delivery driver, etc.
Off course not everyone is making that kind of money (after 2 weeks - according to one of these guys you feel like dropping dead)
But there are presently millions of these delivery chaps making a good living - and tax free, not recorded as a regular income.

A neighbor of mine runs a coffee shop - and according to him, the best business for him was during Lock-down (delivery door to door) 3x the turnover of his shop in those 2-3 month. Whilst some others might have just closed their shop with rental to pay and no revenue.

Since about 2018 there is a huge (uber-driver) economy in China with millions driving - tax free, not registered. Same goes for all the millions of family run noodle shops in residential areas - average income around 3000Rmb - also tax free, not registered.

It just goes to show that it isn't 600 million people aged 20 - 55 hanging around with no income or suffering a hard live. It would be around 200 million. But as I stated already several times - China still needs another 20-25 years to get these things in order, independent of China's continued GDP growth.

That Covid and to a certain extend the trade-war has caused China to draw back it's goals by probably 2 years could very well be, but again this affects all countries worldwide - not just China.
Yeah, and with so many internal problems (Covid, trade war, tough chip bans, many CNese are jobless, low birth rate etc ), CN is falling behind when its neighbours are becoming stronger (Russia annexing Ukraine to become stronger, VN increase exporting to EU-US to become richer and stronger, SKorea can make 3nm chip now, Japan cooperate with US to produce bleeding-edge 2nm chips by 2025 etc ).

The world does not want to see a China with a strong economy and defense, it is a great success already when making China keep stucking in these difficulties. CN may become too old before becoming rich enough like N.Korea :p and SCS(east VN sea) will keep remaining peaceful and safe.
 

xizhimen

Experienced member
Messages
7,391
Reactions
384
Nation of residence
China
Nation of origin
China
Every country has their own problem when developing their economy, China is no exception, but comparing to other countries, China has much less troubles at hand.
 

Jagdflieger

Contributor
Messages
496
Reactions
282
Nation of residence
China
Nation of origin
Germany
The world does not want to see a China with a strong economy and defense.....
That is exactly the issue - whereby "the world" is rather confined to countries that in general behold historical hegemony themselves and don't allow for competition, so in parts Vietnam. :)

Meaning the majority of countries on this planet have an open mind for China, which includes e.g. Germany, France, Italy, Spain - just to name the big ones in Europe.

The world is obviously changing into a multi-polar world - where China will build it's own association of "partner" countries.
 
Last edited:

Marlii

Committed member
Messages
282
Reactions
3 302
Nation of residence
India
Nation of origin
India
That is exactly the issue - whereby "the world" is rather confined to countries that in general behold historical hegemony themselves and don't allow for competition, so in parts Vietnam. :)

Meaning the majority of countries on this planet have an open mind for China, which includes e.g. Germany, France, Italy, Spain - just to name the big ones in Europe.

The world is obviously changing into a multi-polar world - where China will build it's own association of "partner" countries.
"Partners "aka debt slavery
 

Viva_vietnamm

Contributor
Moderator
Vietnam Moderator
Messages
556
Reactions
2 456
Nation of residence
Vietnam
Nation of origin
Vietnam
That is exactly the issue - whereby "the world" is rather confined to countries that in general behold historical hegemony themselves and don't allow for competition, so in parts Vietnam. :)

Meaning the majority of countries on this planet have an open mind for China, which includes e.g. Germany, France, Italy, Spain - just to name the big ones in Europe.

The world is obviously changing into a multi-polar world - where China will build it's own association of "partner" countries.
As I know, Germany, France, Italy, Spain support US (or quietly support) to ban Huawei 5G and stop selling 5nm chip making machines to CN . Its explain why Huawei is almost dead in EU.

If there is a multi-polar world again, then I see its Russian bloc vs US's bloc again. CN is just too weak to make it own bloc as there are so many internal problem in CN now (Covid, trade war, tough chip bans, 600 million poor/starving CNese, many CNese are jobless, real estate collapse, low birth rate etc ). :)

About, CN "partner" countries, as I know, CN iron bro,Pakistan, is falling into political chaos now, other "partners" keep switching side between CN and US .
 
Last edited:

Viva_vietnamm

Contributor
Moderator
Vietnam Moderator
Messages
556
Reactions
2 456
Nation of residence
Vietnam
Nation of origin
Vietnam
The economy is gloomy, the Chinese do not dare to spend or invest

Friday, July 1, 2022 05:29 (GMT+7)

The wave of Covid-19 and Beijing's controls made economic and employment prospects in China worse. Therefore, instead of spending or investing, the Chinese increase their savings.
CNBC reported that according to a survey in the second quarter of the People's Bank of China (PBoC), the saving trend of the country's consumers is at a 20-year high.

Instead of spending or investing, 58.3% of respondents said they would rather save. In the first quarter of 2022, the rate was 54.7%, the highest level since 2002.

The Chinese did not dare to spend or invest when Beijing introduced a series of strict measures to control the new wave of Covid-19. Shanghai was locked down in April and May. Last month, Beijing introduced a ban on restaurant dining and other restrictions.


The blockades and social distancing in major cities severely affected economic activities in China.

Stock market goes down

To date, both cities have relaxed control measures. This week, Chinese authorities cut the quarantine period for foreign visitors and residents who have been in contact with Covid-19 cases. However, Beijing officials are still ready to re-impose the blockade order if a new outbreak appears.

The PBoC survey was conducted with 20,000 people with bank deposits in 50 large, medium and small cities across the country.

Chinese consumers plan to increase spending in the next three months, mainly on education and healthcare. However, the percentage of Chinese wanting to invest plunged 3.7 percentage points to 17.9% in the second quarter. In which, securities are the least attractive asset.

China's stock market has been plunged by the crackdown on a wide range of industries, from technology to education. Observers say that the tightening of regulations is part of President Xi Jinping's efforts to promote "common prosperity", to address the gap between rich and poor.

The crackdown caused the market capitalization of technology companies to at times evaporate by $ 1 trillion.

Mr. Li Ming - owner of a shoe factory in Taizhou - said banks are now the safest place. He plans to sell off his current investment to put money in the bank.

That is the common sentiment of many Chinese at this time. At the end of April, savings deposits at Chinese banks amounted to 109.2 trillion yuan ($16.3 trillion).

This figure has increased by 7% in the first 4 months of the year, higher than 5.5% in the same period last year.

The job outlook is bleak

Another reason why Chinese want to save more is concern about future income.

According to the PBoC survey, the index measuring employment prospects fell to 44.5%, the lowest level since the first quarter of 2009.

In May, the unemployment rates in China's 31 largest cities exceeded their highest levels in outbreaks since the start of the year.

Observers fear that this situation will get worse and worse, even surpassing the peak in 2020, when the Covid-19 pandemic first broke out in China.

The unemployment rate in China will continue to rise, possibly even reaching 6.5% in the coming months

Ms. Jacqueline Rong - Deputy Head of China Economy at BNP Paribas SA

The new wave of Covid-19 and Beijing's Zero-Covid strategy (reducing the number of new infections to zero) has paralyzed major cities, disrupted companies, forced them to cut staff or reduce labor costs. wage.

Ms. Jacqueline Rong - deputy chief China economist at BNP Paribas SA - believes that the unemployment rate in China will continue to rise. She predicts this number could reach 6.5% in the coming months.

Youth unemployment could soar to nearly 20% this summer, when record numbers of graduates enter the labor market.

Unlike in 2020, the deceleration of the economy due to the epidemic took place at a time when the labor market was shrinking. Millions of jobs have been lost due to a plunging property market and a crackdown by the Beijing government on technology companies and online education.

Even the leading technology corporations are cutting staff. This year, JD.com Inc. - China's 2nd largest e-commerce company - has laid off 10-15% of the workforce in its Jingxi group purchasing unit.

In February, Bloomberg reported that ride-hailing giant Didi Global Inc. planned to cut staff by 20%.


Earlier this month, Beijing also called on state-owned enterprises to increase recruitment of university graduates this year.

The PBoC also announced it would encourage banks to extend repayment periods for small businesses, truck drivers, consumer loans and mortgages.

 

Nilgiri

Experienced member
Moderator
Aviation Specialist
Messages
9,767
Reactions
119 19,788
Nation of residence
Canada
Nation of origin
India
About, CN "partner" countries, as I know, CN iron bro,Pakistan, is falling into political chaos now, other "partners" keep switching side between CN and US .

The china backed political family in Sri Lanka are finished too.

Its funny to see so many Chinese calling this a "CIA coup".... it is now so easy to message Sri Lankan public as to what Chinese think of their protesters and political movement (that they are CIA agents etc and know nothing about their country)....and the heavy debt trap they are under thanks to this pro-China family corruption.
 

Viva_vietnamm

Contributor
Moderator
Vietnam Moderator
Messages
556
Reactions
2 456
Nation of residence
Vietnam
Nation of origin
Vietnam
The china backed political family in Sri Lanka are finished too.

Its funny to see so many Chinese calling this a "CIA coup".... it is now so easy to message Sri Lankan public as to what Chinese think of their protesters and political movement (that they are CIA agents etc and know nothing about their country)....and the heavy debt trap they are under thanks to this pro-China family corruption.

The Chinese Dream went busted, Xi failed to help 600 million chinese, earning less than 140 usd,have better lives, CN real easte collapse, HSR system is in big debt. CN's partners (Sri lanka, Pakistan ) are in desperate situations while CN's rivals (Russia, VN, JP etc) are becoming stronger and stronger.

CN's future is just like N.Korea, Cnese dare not give more birth cos they can't afford to raise kids when they don't have good, stable jobs 😂😂

birth.PNG
 
Last edited:

xizhimen

Experienced member
Messages
7,391
Reactions
384
Nation of residence
China
Nation of origin
China
The china backed political family in Sri Lanka are finished too.

Its funny to see so many Chinese calling this a "CIA coup".... it is now so easy to message Sri Lankan public as to what Chinese think of their protesters and political movement (that they are CIA agents etc and know nothing about their country)....and the heavy debt trap they are under thanks to this pro-China family corruption.
Boring lies

Real debt trap: Sri Lanka owes vast majority to West, not China​

 

xizhimen

Experienced member
Messages
7,391
Reactions
384
Nation of residence
China
Nation of origin
China

Real debt trap: Sri Lanka owes vast majority to West, not China​

By Ben Norton
Jul 13, 2022

Facing a deep economic crisis and bankruptcy, Sri Lanka was rocked by large protests this July, which led to the resignation of the government.

Numerous Western political leaders and media outlets blamed this uprising on a supposed Chinese “debt trap,” echoing a deceptive narrative that has been thoroughly debunked by mainstream academics.

In reality, the vast majority of the South Asian nation’s foreign debt is owed to the West.

Screen-Shot-2022-07-12-at-1.57.53-PM-330x350.png


Sri Lanka has a history of struggling with Western debt burdens, having gone through 16 “economic stabilization programs” with the Washington-dominated International Monetary Fund (IMF).

These structural adjustment programs clearly have not worked, given Sri Lanka’s economy has been managed by the IMF for many of the decades since it achieved independence from British colonialism in 1948.

As of 2021, a staggering 81% of Sri Lanka’s foreign debt was owned by U.S. and European financial institutions, as well as Western allies Japan and India.

This pales in comparison to the mere 10% owed to Beijing.

According to official statistics from Sri Lanka’s Department of External Resources, as of the end of April 2021, the plurality of its foreign debt is owned by Western vulture funds and banks, which have nearly half, at 47%.

The top holders of the Sri Lankan government’s debt, in the form of international sovereign bonds (ISBs), are the following firms:

  • BlackRock (U.S.)
  • Ashmore Group (Britain)
  • Allianz (Germany)
  • UBS (Switzerland)
  • HSBC (Britain)
  • JPMorgan Chase (U.S.)
  • Prudential (U.S.)
The Asian Development Bank and World Bank, which are thoroughly dominated by the United States, own 13% and 9% of Sri Lanka’s foreign debt, respectively.

Washington’s hegemony over the World Bank is well known, and the U.S. government is the only World Bank Group shareholder with veto power.

Screen-Shot-2022-07-12-at-1.58.16-PM.png


Less known is that the Asian Development Bank (ADB) is, too, largely a vehicle of U.S. soft power. Neoconservative DC-based think tank the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), which is funded by Western governments, affectionately described the ADB as a “strategic asset for the United States,” and a crucial challenger to the much newer, Chinese-led Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank.

“The United States, through its membership in the ADB and with its Indo-Pacific Strategy, seeks to compete with China as a security and economic partner of choice in the region,” boasted CSIS.

Another country that has significant influence over the ADB is Japan, which similarly owns 10% of Sri Lanka’s foreign debt.

An additional 2% of Sri Lanka’s foreign debt was owed to India as of April 2021, although that number has steadily increased since. In early 2022, India was in fact the top lender to Sri Lanka, with New Delhi disbursing 550% more credit than Beijing between January and April.

Both Japan and India are key Western allies, and members of Washington’s anti-China military alliance in the region, the Quad.

Together, these Western firms and their allies Japan and India own 81% of Sri Lanka’s foreign debt–more than three-quarters of its international obligations.

By contrast, China owns just one-tenth of Sri Lanka’s foreign debt.

The overwhelming Western role in indebting Sri Lanka is made evident by a graph published by the country’s Department of External Resources, showing the foreign commitments by currency:

As of the end of 2019, less than 5% of Sri Lanka’s foreign debt was denominated in China’s currency the yuan (CNY). On the other hand, nearly two-thirds, 64.6%, was owed in U.S. dollars, along with an additional 14.4% in IMF special drawing rights (SDR) and more than 10% in the Japanese yen (JPY).

Western media reporting on the economic crisis in Sri Lanka, however, ignores these facts, giving the strong, and deeply misleading, impression that the chaos is in large part because of Beijing.

Sri Lankan economic crisis driven by neoliberal policies, inflation, corruption, COVID-19 pandemic​

This July, Sri Lanka’s government was forced to resign, after hundreds of thousands of protesters stormed public buildings, setting some on fire, while also occupying the homes of the country’s leaders.

The protests were driven by skyrocketing rates of inflation, as well as rampant corruption and widespread shortages of fuel, food, and medicine–a product of the country’s inability to pay for imports.

In May, Sri Lanka defaulted on its debt. In June, it tried to negotiate another structural adjustment program with the U.S.-dominated International Monetary Fund (IMF). This would have been Sri Lanka’s 17th IMF bailout, but the talks ended without a deal.

By July, Sri Lankan Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe publicly admitted that his government was “bankrupt.”

Sri Lankan President Gotabaya Rajapaksa, who spent a significant part of his life working in the United States, entered office in 2019 and immediately imposed a series of neoliberal economic policies, which included cutting taxes on corporations.

These neoliberal policies decreased government revenue. And the precarious economic situation was only exacerbated by the impact of the Covid-19 pandemic.

Facing an out-of-control 39.1% inflation rate in May, the Sri Lankan government did a 180 and suddenly raised taxes again, further contributing to popular discontent, which broke out in a social explosion in July.

Media falsely blames China for Sri Lankan debt default​

While 81% of Sri Lanka’s foreign debt is owned by Western financial institutions, Japan, and India, major corporate media outlets sought to blame China for the country’s bankruptcy and subsequent protests.

The Wall Street Journal pointed the finger at Beijing in a deeply misleading article titled “China’s Lending Comes Under Fire as Sri Lankan Debt Crisis Deepens.” The newspaper noted that the crisis “opens a window for India to push back against Chinese influence in the Indian Ocean region.”

U.S. media giant the Associated Press also tried to scapegoat China, and its deceptive news wire was republished by outlets across the world, from ABC News to Saudi Arabia’s Al Arabiya.

Many corporate media outlets in India, including the New Indian Express, Business Standard, India Today, The Print, as well as Japan’s media conglomerate Nikkei published similarly fallacious reports.

U.S. government propaganda outlet Voice of America, which is closely linked to the CIA, employed the same spurious tactics in an article in April titled “China’s Global Image Under Strain as Sri Lanka Faces Debt Trap.”

VOA accused Beijing of “pursuing a kind of ‘debt-trap diplomacy’ meant to bring economically weak countries to their knees, dependent on China for support.”

BBC reluctantly admits the ‘Chinese debt trap’ narrative in Sri Lanka is false​

China has funded several large infrastructure projects in Sri Lanka, building an international airport, hospitals, a convention center, a sports stadium, and most controversially a port in the southern coastal town of Hambantota.

The UK government’s BBC sent a reporter to Sri Lanka to investigate these accusations of supposed “Chinese debt traps.” But after speaking to locals, he reluctantly came to the conclusion that the narrative is false.

“The truth is that many independent experts say that we should be wary of the Chinese debt trap narrative, and we’ve found quite a lot of evidence here in Sri Lanka which contradicts it,” BBC host Ben Chu acknowledged.

He explained, “The Hambantota port, well, that was instigated by the Sri Lankans, not by the Chinese. And it can’t currently be used by Chinese military naval vessels, and actually there’s some pretty formidable barriers to that happening.”

“A lot of the projects we’ve been seeing, well, they feel more like white elephants than they do Chinese global strategic assets,” Chu added.

The British state media outlet interviewed the director of Port City Colombo’s economic commission, Saliya Wickramasuriya, who emphasized, “The Chinese government is not involved in setting the rules and regulations, so from that standpoint the government of Sri Lanka is in control, and it’s up to the government of Sri Lanka’s wish to flavor the city, the development of the city, in the way it wants to.”

“It is accurate to say that infrastructure development has boomed under Chinese investment, Chinese debt sometimes, but those are things that we’ve actually needed for a long, long time,” Wickramasuriya added.

Chu clarified that, “Importantly, it’s not debt but equity the Chinese own here.”

“So is the debt trap not all it seems?” he asked.

Mainstream U.S. academics debunk the ‘Chinese debt trap’ myth​

Mainstream Western academics have similarly investigated the claims of “Chinese debt traps,” and come to the conclusion that they do not exist.

Even a professor at Johns Hopkins University’s School of Advanced International Studies, which is notorious for its revolving door with the U.S. government and close links to spy agencies, acknowledged that “the Chinese ‘debt trap’ is a myth.”

Writing in 2021 in the de facto mouthpiece of the DC political establishment, The Atlantic magazine, scholar Deborah Brautigam stated clearly that the debt-trap narrative is “a lie, and a powerful one.”

“Our research shows that Chinese banks are willing to restructure the terms of existing loans and have never actually seized an asset from any country, much less the port of Hambantota,” Brautigam said in the article, which was co-authored by Meg Rithmire, a professor at the stridently anti-socialist Harvard Business School.

Brautigam published her findings in a 2020 article for Johns Hopkins’ China Africa Research Initiative, titled “Debt Relief with Chinese Characteristics,” along with fellow researchers Kevin Acker and Yufan Huang.

They investigated Chinese loans in Sri Lanka, Iraq, Zimbabwe, Ethiopia, Angola, and the Republic of Congo, and “found no ‘asset seizures’ and, despite contract clauses requiring arbitration, no evidence of the use of courts to enforce payments, or application of penalty interest rates.”

They discovered that Beijing cancelled more than $3.4 billion and restructured or refinanced roughly $15 billion of debt in Africa between 2000 and 2019. At least 26 individual loans to African nations were renegotiated.

Western critics have attacked Beijing, claiming there is a lack of transparency surrounding its loans. Brautigam explained that “Chinese lenders prefer to address restructuring quietly, on a bilateral basis, tailoring programs to each situation.”

The researchers noted that China puts an “emphasis on ‘development sustainability’ (looking at the future contribution of the project) rather than ‘debt sustainability’ (looking at the current state of the economy) as the basis of project lending decisions.”

“Moreover, despite critics’ worries that China could seize its borrower’s assets, we do not see China attempting to take advantage of countries in debt distress,” they added.

“There were no ‘asset seizures’ in the 16 restructuring cases that we found,” the scholars continued.

We have not yet seen cases in Africa where Chinese banks or companies have sued sovereign governments or exercised the option for international arbitration standard in Chinese loan contracts.
 

Viva_vietnamm

Contributor
Moderator
Vietnam Moderator
Messages
556
Reactions
2 456
Nation of residence
Vietnam
Nation of origin
Vietnam

Chip tech is just like a bottle-neck to CN when when US slap very tough chip bans to CN

--------------------------------------​

14 charged as Chinese company accused of stealing tech secrets from Taiwan​

Luxshare also allegedly poached talent from local firm in order to win orders from Apple​

875

By Taiwan News, Contributing Writer
2022/07/16 13:18


TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — New Taipei City prosecutors said Friday (July 15) that Chinese company Luxshare Precision Industry Ltd. had stolen business secrets from a Taiwanese firm that works with tech giant Apple.
Fourteen people have been charged in the case, per a Reuters report. It was determined that they poached staff from local company Catcher Technology Ltd., were in breach of trust, and intended to steal commercial secrets.
The case was brought against the background of illegal activities by Chinese companies to steal tech know-how from Taiwanese firms. Luxshare stands accused of inducing Catcher staff to join its company with the lure of high wages and with the intention of winning orders from Apple at the expense of Catcher.





New Taipei prosecutors were quoted as saying: "The department will do its best to investigate such cases to maintain the sound development of our country's enterprises and ensure the competitiveness of national industries."Catcher makes iPhone and iPad cases. It is cooperating with the authorities in their inquiries.
On May 10, Chinese companies were raided after being suspected of poaching chip engineers. Taiwan is working to prevent proprietary technology, especially chip production, from falling into Chinese hands.
In April, the Taiwan Investigation Bureau said it would be looking at 100 Chinese firms and entities suspected of poaching tech talents and the theft of tech information.

 

Nilgiri

Experienced member
Moderator
Aviation Specialist
Messages
9,767
Reactions
119 19,788
Nation of residence
Canada
Nation of origin
India

The Chinese Dream went busted, Xi failed to help 600 million chinese, earning less than 140 usd,have better lives, CN real easte collapse, HSR system is in big debt. CN's partners (Sri lanka, Pakistan ) are in desperate situations while CN's rivals (Russia, VN, JP etc) are becoming stronger and stronger.

CN's future is just like N.Korea, Cnese dare not give more birth cos they can't afford to raise kids when they don't have good, stable jobs 😂😂

View attachment 46461

lot of these 50 centers just follow the leader in the selective headline clickbait, generally made by some pro-CCP paid "author"

there is just no capability from 50 centers to go deeper:

A) what was the new impulse of loan load taken (compared to longer term western institutional loans from earlier periods)
B) the servicing rates and conditions for the loans from various countries
C) what kind of projects these loans were poured into and leveraged upon, and were they actually sustainable

Waste of time to go into details (since you get it and I get it) for these guys, heres a summary for anyone else (including specific interest rates):



Just one example:

But the cost of borrowing from China set that debt apart. Numbers crunched by Verite Research, a Colombo-based think tank, show that the interest rates on Chinese loans averaged 3.3%, versus 0.7% for Japan's. And the maturity period averaged 18 years for Chinese debt, shorter than India's 24 years and Japan's 34 years.

None of this hindered the Rajapaksas' appetite for Chinese credit, opening the door for the Asian powerhouse to fund over a third of 313 debt-funded projects in post-conflict Sri Lanka.

I mean theres a reason PRC never brings loans/investment for actual production (factories) for things that can earn forex for these countries right away.

That is left in the "to do X years later maybe" fine print in the MOU lol.

Actually doing that first would eat into their own exports after all, so its always some courting of corrupt families and dump white elephant loans that rarely have hope of being useful+productive quick enough in todays world environment.

...and then say they are same as what all other loans from everyone else is like lol.

All the while the people see the reality anyway and turn against PRC along with the goonish corrupt family.

Tone deaf autism from 50 centers making things even worse (for them) by their loud mouth + spam attitude, its funny lol.

21st century little red guard brats, chanting the red book quotes in their weird psyche struggle session attempt basically lol.....but online (not up close on poor chinese people themselves) and towards foreigners whole countries away....

Extreme comedy and cringe in the end.

I find it better to interact with the Li Keiqiang types among PRC Chinese that actually can take and admit criticism, challenges and problems.

There is a reason why those protestors were appealing to Li Keiqiang before the CCP goons/thugs came to beat them up.

anyway bro, we both know only factories + production + earning count in the end...and others (that got chinese loans) increasingly know that now too from what they stuck with (high service loans chinese wont renegotiate and only want to do white elephant infra) now:


@Paro
 

Follow us on social media

Latest posts

Top Bottom