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You might think its sisyphean heh....but I actually have found it can spawn chain reaction stuff too.

On a very different but somewhat similar matter, I remember advising a friend of mine (many years back) how to manage his anger...and then work to conflict resolution. It took some time, but he applied himself and became quite good at it himself.

Recently completely by coincidence, I acquainted with younger fella starting out in same place now....and I brought up things that angered me and anger me still........and he then got around to telling me fondly about how my buddy (now fairly high up in that department) helped him on the same thing.....and how it helped him resolve issues he had.

He didn't know about our earlier and longer friendship....and I didn't see much reason to bring it up as I quietly listened.

Just mentioned that he should also help others when he can now. But I was quite pleased things like this do transmit.

Often it is about doing the best with what you have and letting chips fall as they may past that. Stuff does shift.
Well, it’s good to know that certain influences can fundamentally change a person, and they can give these influences onto others. Yet I can’t help but think that some are just too far gone to be saved, like people who join the KKK and genuinely hold hatred in their hearts. It took me a while to accept this, but some people are genuinely and truly rotten to the very core, there are no saving attributes to their person. Few and far between as they may be, they do exist…

An admirer of such folk in general.... idol is bit extreme of word maybe heh.

Not just this field, but in general I appreciate people who are both interested and able to change the way people think towards a more moral, productive way.

That is incredible powerful and impactful.

I feel all of us can apply it even in a limited way where it can do some good....in ways we best know ourselves.
People like him provide moral cornerstones to societies where racist currents influence the mainstream, don’t they? Revered and respected as they are, their ability to build bridges over to the other side seems like a rather unique trait, one that not everyone possesses?

Harry Potter is good stuff.... I think I watched the first movie and then got into the books (I think just the first 3 - 4 were out by that point).

Tom Sawyer (And its sequel about Huckleberry Finn) is a classic story of coming of age amongst an unfair world full of hypocrisy and injustice....and staying true to a greater virtue despite that.

If you liked the friendship theme (and that prevailing) of Harry Potter, you will see it mirrored quite strongly in Twain's classics too...though in a more down to earth way heh (and replete with modern day controversy...that I will let you judge for yourself).

Lord of the Rings too, right at its core its friendship(s) that surmounts all odds....

I think in the end, our very survival and existence depends on there being more friendship than the opposite....


This world has room for everyone and the good Earth is rich.... - Chaplin
Eventually I’ll get to reading all those stories, if there are any recommendations of (global) literature that I should read, then it is very much appreciated!
 

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Has reached 125 years old...but he humbles most of us in many more ways...


He has been a positive thinker throughout his life. 'The world is my home, its people are my fathers and mothers, to love and serve them is my religion'-- this has been his belief.

He is chasing that mission till today to serve the underprivileged in different parts of the country - in North East India, at Varanasi, Puri, Haridwar, Nabadwip and so on, according to the Rashtrapati Bhavan document on Padma awardees.

For the last 50 years, Swami Sivananda has been serving 400-600 leprosy-affected beggars with dignity at Puri by personally meeting them at their hutments.

"He perceives them as living God and serves them with the best available items. He arranges different materials like food items, fruits, clothes, winter garments, blankets, mosquito nets, cooking utensils based on their expressed need," it said.

He encourages others to hand over different items to the affected people to make them feel the joy of giving so that later on they are motivated to do such types of humanitarian work in their respective areas.


(more at link)

I love this govt , they way they ensure that Padma awards reach the real deserving people
 

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I thought Kane Tanaka was the oldest person alive?

Yeah oldest verified....i.e has birth certificate recorded etc.

I remember during the 90s, the French lady (Calment) would come on the news every now and then as the oldest living person....till she passed away at 122?... She remains the oldest verified person thats existed I believe.

In developing world, lot of ages cannot be verified like it (till birth records became more universal)....we go on their word (and others words) essentially.

I remember someone in arab country somewhere said he is nearly 130 years old (this was again back in the 1990s and as kid I was absolutely amazed someone can live that long....while my dad tutted its likely an old coot claim)...my memory is very faint on it though.
 

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Well, it’s good to know that certain influences can fundamentally change a person, and they can give these influences onto others. Yet I can’t help but think that some are just too far gone to be saved, like people who join the KKK and genuinely hold hatred in their hearts. It took me a while to accept this, but some people are genuinely and truly rotten to the very core, there are no saving attributes to their person. Few and far between as they may be, they do exist…

It depends on the person's interest/passion in the end. In dens/groups of people, you will find tiers. i.e how much have they actually submerged themselves in what they are wallowing in (and the reverse for those uplifted and shining in some enlightenment or sage experience).

Then its your own interest (since its time commited in end) to try lift some out....or let others lift you...

If you meet enough diverse people (and not just outwardly...but also what they think etc), especially early in life with the experiences (good and bad to go along with them.....I find generally there is good chance you will have an interest in those that exist on some fringe so to speak.

The basic question of why? etc. They exist after all. If "we" are not all the same (like they often assert).... logic stands to reason they are not all the same either (on what we may assert on them).

You start there, its amazing how many things proceed from there....when they start/accept some exception for you....i.e the opening of "but you are not like the rest"....and the road that shows itself just by that alone.

Just like Daryl very judiciously has employed.

This extends for any matter under the sun btw....when it comes to human anthropology and psychology.

People like him provide moral cornerstones to societies where racist currents influence the mainstream, don’t they? Revered and respected as they are, their ability to build bridges over to the other side seems like a rather unique trait, one that not everyone possesses?

Yes too few possess it. Fewer still have time/interest to genuinely pursue such a thing (at this level of fringe)

But I suppose since there are people that do exist, doing this at the fringe.....that there are commensurately lot more doing similar things for the more easier parts of it further away from the fringe.

So that gives a hope in itself....and its something to take away and start doing wherever possible oneself.

Making the world a better place...its all summing up tiny little, not so visible things (but an awful lot of them) most of the time.


Eventually I’ll get to reading all those stories, if there are any recommendations of (global) literature that I should read, then it is very much appreciated!

Probably something of a long term thing that will show itself here I suspect....as the chat meanders. Not just literature, but all the art forms and useful interests and pursuits. Tastes vary after all....I find they are most impactful when they arise organically heh.
 

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My word document's currently getting ravaged by the unorganized mess that's my take on law, ethics and morality, from individual perception of an all-encompassing system and the viability of various forms of punishment, to the lack of knowledge in how to navigate a judicial system without years and years of training, to the unspoken laws of the social contract that dominate communities, the severity of punishment in relation to an individual's social status and power, and since we're on defencehub and war is an ever-present entity here, to the just-war theory and the many forms of abuse it has received, the disproportionality of force employed in modern wars and how arguments validifying and justifying terrorism could be made, the cultural perception of war and the soldier and how it impacts social standing, and much more....
I was just trying to give a picture about the topics that I haven't yet gone into, my posts having been too long and clogging this thread up aside, it's a very complex topic that needs much consideration, so everybody interested please take as much time as you want to respond to this.

Why I've been thinking much about this, and am ahead of the curve, at least in your perception.... it's potentially because democracy in the second half of the last decade was given a good spanking, wasn't it? The major factor here was of course Trump and how he behaved, but in my domestic political establishment we've also been having corruption scandals in the highest echelons of government, first our vice-chancellor was exposed on video where he was caught taking drugs and talked about selling off a national newspaper to (pretend) russian oligarchs, then our chancellor tried to undermine the press freedom, there were expositions about his narcissism and how his entourage kissed his ass in exchange for government positions (now he's quit politics and become an adviser to Peter Thiel, and all the state secrets he knows went with him), and more. The other thing that made me question the democratic structure was covid, more specifically the response to covid on a national and individual level, where I could observe myself getting drawn away from the "freedoms" allowed in my political system and towards authoritarianism, specifically China and how draconian measures managed the pandemic better(false reporting and the current outbreak not too much considered).

Yes I suppose I will have to air out my thoughts on lot of this when I get to this bookmark. Lot of your posts take time (though well spent as they make me revisit/respark certain things for me in my minds recesses).... to respond to in a proper reasonable way from my end heh. I have to get to the earlier ones still, so I dont need to over-cover bases heh.
 

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Two caveats :

1. I haven't seen the movie yet

2. As many of you know I am left leaning.

The movie has outraged the pseudo secular brigade in our country because it doesn't fit the narrative that they have been fed. For years, movies which promote the opposite narrative have had a free run.

Now to the Pandits. Were they persecuted? Yes. Were the hounded out of Kashmir? Yes. Did the local Kashmiri participate in the Kashmiri? Yes. To the same extent that the average German enjoyed the exodus of the Jews while the Nazis threw them out, exterminated them our housed them in ghettos.

Just because only a few hundred members of the Nazi Party faced a trial at Nuremberg, that does not absolve the German nation and its people of genocide faced by Jews, Roma and other people deemed inferior by the Germans.

The Kashmiri Muslims lost any moral standing in their demands after this happened because they were never fighting for Kashmiris but they were fighting for their religious beliefs. This includes their sympathizers.

Have they suffered? Of course. Living in a zone with constant military presence, drones, curfews, restrictions etc. can't be easy. But the presence of the military there is a reaction to what happened when the military wasn't in control. Clearly, they didn't think this through.

Of course the director demonizes the left. His cheek to turn the leftist Faiz poem - Hum Dekhenge into some kind of terrorist anthem made me chuckle. The fact that people fell for it is even more shocking. And he even bought the rights from some institute in Pakistan to use the poem.

Why are empathizers outraged and shouting slogans in movie halls?
I won't call of them right wing. Because in an era before social media and cell phones this happened to co-religionists and we were kept in the dark. And we couldn't do anything. In our own country.

These are my personal views. When I get the chance to see the movie, I shall do so.
 

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GoI should ensure Kashmiris causing unrest should have no recourse whatsoever if they continue with their anti-national activities...India will not give up Kashmir nor let any plebiscite happen irrespective of internal or external pressure. Any country making statements against our narrative will only end up loosing access to one of the largest and growing markets similar to how we shut up Malaysia by reducing palm oil imports

The sooner Kashmiris realize this and give up their anti-national brainwashed terrorist activities the better and we can focus on economic development instead
 

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GoI should ensure Kashmiris causing unrest should have no recourse whatsoever if they continue with their anti-national activities...India will not give up Kashmir nor let any plebiscite happen irrespective of internal or external pressure. Any country making statements against our narrative will only end up loosing access to one of the largest and growing markets similar to how we shut up Malaysia by reducing palm oil imports

The sooner Kashmiris realize this and give up their anti-national brainwashed terrorist activities the better and we can focus on economic development instead
They have every right to protest peacefully and exercise their democratic right. That is not negotiable.
 

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They have every right to protest peacefully and exercise their democratic right. That is not negotiable.
Which is why I specifically mentioned anti-national terrorist activities
 

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Two caveats :

1. I haven't seen the movie yet

2. As many of you know I am left leaning.

The movie has outraged the pseudo secular brigade in our country because it doesn't fit the narrative that they have been fed. For years, movies which promote the opposite narrative have had a free run.

Now to the Pandits. Were they persecuted? Yes. Were the hounded out of Kashmir? Yes. Did the local Kashmiri participate in the Kashmiri? Yes. To the same extent that the average German enjoyed the exodus of the Jews while the Nazis threw them out, exterminated them our housed them in ghettos.

Just because only a few hundred members of the Nazi Party faced a trial at Nuremberg, that does not absolve the German nation and its people of genocide faced by Jews, Roma and other people deemed inferior by the Germans.

The Kashmiri Muslims lost any moral standing in their demands after this happened because they were never fighting for Kashmiris but they were fighting for their religious beliefs. This includes their sympathizers.

Have they suffered? Of course. Living in a zone with constant military presence, drones, curfews, restrictions etc. can't be easy. But the presence of the military there is a reaction to what happened when the military wasn't in control. Clearly, they didn't think this through.

Of course the director demonizes the left. His cheek to turn the leftist Faiz poem - Hum Dekhenge into some kind of terrorist anthem made me chuckle. The fact that people fell for it is even more shocking. And he even bought the rights from some institute in Pakistan to use the poem.

Why are empathizers outraged and shouting slogans in movie halls?
I won't call of them right wing. Because in an era before social media and cell phones this happened to co-religionists and we were kept in the dark. And we couldn't do anything. In our own country.

These are my personal views. When I get the chance to see the movie, I shall do so.
Being a left leaning is not a crime , India is independent and everyone has right of expression. But regarding Pandits , its just one of the events where Hindus get mistreated and ethnically cleansed due to their faith .

Vivek Agnihotri just presented the raw pain of human tragedy due to their religious beliefs . There is a reason no Kashmiri get any support from anyother part of country where government tackles the Kashmiri protests with heavy hand. The worse situation is of those Kashmiri Muslims , who are sane and try to live better life .

Really feel sorry for the muslims like of DCP Ayub Pandith , who was literally teared by mob during his lynching in Jamia Masjid
 

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What i never understood is what the hell right and left wing means in Indian context , tbh here u got right wing party , which fullfill criterion for a left wing party in lot of countries , and a left wing party which fullfill criterion for a terrorist organisation .

Why can't we make our own wings , nationalist and globalists types
 

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What i never understood is what the hell right and left wing means in Indian context , tbh here u got right wing party , which fullfill criterion for a left wing party in lot of countries , and a left wing party which fullfill criterion for a terrorist organisation .

Why can't we make our own wings , nationalist and globalists types
Apologists , closet extremists etc included
 

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Two caveats :

1. I haven't seen the movie yet

2. As many of you know I am left leaning.

The movie has outraged the pseudo secular brigade in our country because it doesn't fit the narrative that they have been fed. For years, movies which promote the opposite narrative have had a free run.

Now to the Pandits. Were they persecuted? Yes. Were the hounded out of Kashmir? Yes. Did the local Kashmiri participate in the Kashmiri? Yes. To the same extent that the average German enjoyed the exodus of the Jews while the Nazis threw them out, exterminated them our housed them in ghettos.

Just because only a few hundred members of the Nazi Party faced a trial at Nuremberg, that does not absolve the German nation and its people of genocide faced by Jews, Roma and other people deemed inferior by the Germans.

The Kashmiri Muslims lost any moral standing in their demands after this happened because they were never fighting for Kashmiris but they were fighting for their religious beliefs. This includes their sympathizers.

Have they suffered? Of course. Living in a zone with constant military presence, drones, curfews, restrictions etc. can't be easy. But the presence of the military there is a reaction to what happened when the military wasn't in control. Clearly, they didn't think this through.

Of course the director demonizes the left. His cheek to turn the leftist Faiz poem - Hum Dekhenge into some kind of terrorist anthem made me chuckle. The fact that people fell for it is even more shocking. And he even bought the rights from some institute in Pakistan to use the poem.

Why are empathizers outraged and shouting slogans in movie halls?
I won't call of them right wing. Because in an era before social media and cell phones this happened to co-religionists and we were kept in the dark. And we couldn't do anything. In our own country.

These are my personal views. When I get the chance to see the movie, I shall do so.

I agree with lot of this....disagree (or neutral) with some other bits....might get to it in more depth later.

Kashmiris were given an especially raw deal in the 80s though (post 71 and sheik abdullah political repatriation)

IMO India was robust enough to hold genuine elections and accept who the Kashmiris elected (of course everyone has to follow the rule of law) at whichever level.

Consider how it all went down in 50s and 60s with Madras/TN.....if you use a better balance of carrot and stick with separatist ideologies that were flourishing and surfacing. (They are not compatible to compare too much, but there are broad takeaways).

Instead by the rigging and centre-rule at all cost foulplay... it gave separatist folks the big excuse to "it will always be unfair" and then start their barbaric violent agenda.

That in essence was how it escalated with us (same) Tamils further south of TN on the island.

That period of 85 - 90 was crucial 5 years of great mistakes in Kashmir....and so much (trust eroded and broken , life lost) damage has been done by it in much longer timeframe now. Dominoes downstream.

I already know the story of Pandits....so I am not sure if I need to watch the movie to get more triggered by it....I wont learn anything new.

But unbridled anger (of the victims) is the sad reality, the consequence of these mistakes.....a need for vengeance....and the need for expanding the flammable reductive communalism in the greater geography populations to create the required sustainable populism for it.

Anyway I will be interested to see what you think of it when you watch it.

It is touchy subject for @Joe Shearer .... not sure if he wants to add anything to this thread.
 

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I agree with lot of this....disagree (or neutral) with some other bits....might get to it in more depth later.

Kashmiris were given an especially raw deal in the 80s though (post 71 and sheik abdullah political repatriation)

IMO India was robust enough to hold genuine elections and accept who the Kashmiris elected (of course everyone has to follow the rule of law) at whichever level.

Consider how it all went down in 50s and 60s with Madras/TN.....if you use a better balance of carrot and stick with separatist ideologies that were flourishing and surfacing. (They are not compatible to compare too much, but there are broad takeaways).

Instead by the rigging and centre-rule at all cost foulplay... it gave separatist folks the big excuse to "it will always be unfair" and then start their barbaric violent agenda.

That in essence was how it escalated with us (same) Tamils further south of TN on the island.

That period of 85 - 90 was crucial 5 years of great mistakes in Kashmir....and so much (trust eroded and broken , life lost) damage has been done by it in much longer timeframe now. Dominoes downstream.

I already know the story of Pandits....so I am not sure if I need to watch the movie to get more triggered by it....I wont learn anything new.

But unbridled anger (of the victims) is the sad reality, the consequence of these mistakes.....a need for vengeance....and the need for expanding the flammable reductive communalism in the greater geography populations to create the required sustainable populism for it.

Anyway I will be interested to see what you think of it when you watch it.

It is touchy subject for @Joe Shearer .... not sure if he wants to add anything to this thread.
I don't know if I reproduced the review of the film on insaniyat. May I do that here?
 

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The Tragedy of ‘The Kashmir Files’


The Tragedy of ‘The Kashmir Files’​

The recent history of the Kashmir and Kashmiris — Pandits and Muslims — deserves a humane film by an honest and skilled writer-director. This is not that film.


Suparna Sharma
Mar 23, 2022




Mithun Chakraborty in a still from 'The Kashmir Files.'
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The Kashmir Files
Cast: Anupam Kher, Mithun Chakraborty, Darshan Kumar, Pallavi Joshi, Chinmay Mandelkar, Prakash Belawadi, Puneet Issar, Bhasha Sumbli
Direction: Vivek Agnihotri
Rating: ★
On a weekday, at 11 am, the cinema hall was about 70 percent full. There were senior citizens — uncles and aunties, families with kids, husband-wife duos, and gangs of boys who sat watching The Kashmir Files with a haughty manspread.
Written and directed by Vivek Agnihotri, Kashmir Files has its own manspread. Loud, tacky and long, 10 minutes shy of three hours, it held sway over the audience whenever there was blood, violence and deafening jingoism on the screen. Rest of the time people were busy talking on their phones or scrolling through Whatsapp.
I approached The Kashmir Files with some anxiety. I was scared that since his laughably dim-witted Tashkent Files (2018), Agnihotri would have acquired some cinematic skills. I was afraid that The Kashmir Files would be like Aditya Dhar’s Uri — intelligent, slick, well-written, well-made and crackling with brilliant acting. But, despite all the love that has been bestowed upon him in some quarters, Agnihotri remains a writer and director bereft of cinematic prowess.
No one expected Agnihotri to tell the tragic story of Kashmir and Kashmiris with any measure of honesty. But what’s surprising is how little The Kashmir Files is interested in Kashmiri Pandits. The film simply takes a deeply shameful slice of Indian history — about the rise of militancy in Kashmir, the indiscriminate killings and the exodus of Kashmiri Pandits — and weaponizes this tragedy.
Set in 1990, Kashmir, the first sign of discord we encounter in The Kashmir Files is over cricket. An India-Pakistan match is underway when a young boy, Shiva, begins to cheer for Sachin Tendulkar. Big, burly men punch, kick and abuse him.
Elsewhere, Shiva’s grandfather Pushkar (Anupam Kher) is painting his face blue for the rehearsal of a play for Shivratri when someone in his troupe says, “Mahol kharab hai”.
As Shiva and Pushkar head home separately, groups of men in the streets carrying AK-47s are shouting, “Convert, leave or die”.
Soon after they reach home, where Shiva’s father, mother Sharda Pandit (Bhasha Sumbli), and younger brother Krishna have been waiting for them, Farooq Malik Bitta (Chinmay Mandlekar) and his armed men knock on their door. The neighbor squeals on them and Bitta heads straight for the rice drum in which Shiva’s father is hiding. Despite being Pushkar’s former student, he sprays bullets into it. Agnihotri doesn’t think this is gory or tragic enough. So he makes Bitta pick up rice soaked in blood and thrust it in Sharda’s face. If she eats it, she and her family may live.
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The Kashmir Files has a B-grade soul and lust for gore. It has no grace, no aesthetic appeal and no patience for context or complexity. It conjures up a dark period of India history by cherry-picking, pruning and twisting incidents and events to cast a large section of Kashmiris as villains.
This skewed narrative is built on a screenplay that’s constructed like an equilateral triangle. At the top sits the past, and equidistant from it are two discussions that take place in the present.
The past is Kashmir of 1990, and in the present is the house of a former IAS officer Brahma Dutt (Mithun Chakraborty) and his wife Laxmi (Mrinal Kulkarni). Old friends have gathered there — Vishnu, a journalist, Dr Mahesh (Prakash Belawadi) a doctor, and DGP Hari Narain (Puneet Issar) — to meet Krishna (Darshan Kumar), who is to arrive with the ashes of their dear friend, Pushkar.
The college in which Krishna studies, ANU Delhi, is the film’s third set.
In Dutt’s home the conversation is about how the state, centre, bureaucracy, police force failed Kashmiri Pandits, while at ANU, Prof. Radhika Menon (Pallavi Joshi) talks about how, since the exodus of Kashmiri Pandits, Muslims have been killed by the security forces, that 7,000 of them are missing, unaccounted for.
actor Darshan Kumar in a scene from Kashmir Files
Darshan Kumar in ‘The Kashmir Files’
At Dutt’s home there is solemnity and rage over how life once was, and how quickly it was thrown asunder by Muslims. In ANU, Prof Menon encourages “aazadi” ke naare as she tells Krishna and other students that Kashmir awaits the promised plebiscite.
One conversation is made out to be the honest truth and the other is rubbished as falsehood being perpetuated by deshdrohis.
Krishna grew up with his grandfather Pushkar at various refugee camps, and yet the film shows him as being confused about what happened to Kashmiri Pandits. That’s because Krishna is us — India’s brainwashed, misguided citizens who need to be told what is the truth and whom to blame.
The Kashmir Files‘ agenda is all too apparent. Agnihotri puts orange tilak on the forehead of every Kashmiri Pandit, gives most of them names of Hindu gods and goddesses, but lines the eyes of the rest with dark kajal, gives them an automatic rifle or malevolence, and stamps them all as the enemy.
The film even drags the Nadimarg massacre of 24 Kashmiri pandits in 2003 to 1990, to bolster its case. This leap from 1990 to 2003 ignores several incidents before and in between, including what’s regarded as the beginning of militancy in Kashmir like the assassination of National Conference’s Mohd Yousuf Halwai in 1989, because he refused to obey the militant’s diktat and switch off the lights at his house a day before, on August 15.
The film paints a picture of the exclusively Hindu Kashmir of long ago as the jannat where Rishi Kashyap once lived, Panchtantra was written. It doesn’t mention that Muslims have been living in Kashmir since the 13th and 14th century. Or that Zain-ul-Abidin, often called the Bod Shah (Great King), had banned cow slaughter. Or that during the Dogra rule in Kashmir, Muslims were prohibited from issuing Friday azan and the fine for killing a Muslim was less than the fine for killing a Hindu.
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But so keen is the film to please that when it shows a dinner table full of delicious Kashmiri Pandit food, it serves up only vegetarian dishes despite Pandits’ great love for meat and fish.
The Kashmir Files is also quite foolish. It repeatedly calls all journalists — desi and foreign — bikau, forgetting that it derives its title from the file of newspaper clippings that Brahma Dutt has painstakingly put together and holds as proof of what happened in 1990.
The film has a few brief moments that hold, and these are powered by the performances of Anupam Kher and Bhasha Sumbli who plays Sharda.
But the star of the show is Pallavi Joshi whose Prof. Menon plays a very special role in peddling half-truths and trivializing the suffering of Kashmiri Muslims since 1990. She is the amalgamation of all secular liberals who speak up against what is happening right now in Kashmir.
Joshi is a very fine actress and she plays her part with the malice with which her character has been written.
Her eyes are lined with dark kajal, she wears silver jewelry, dark lipstick and is shot in very tight close-ups. The camera focuses on her big, shining eyes and ashen, moving lips. After she is dismembered and dehumanized by the camera, whatever she says can be easily dismissed or trivialized.
But Prof. Menon is never allowed to speak the whole truth. All she ends up saying is that Kashmiris have no Internet. Compared to the suffering of Kashmiri Pandits, Ms Menon’s plea for WiFi feels obscene.
The Kashmir Files is a creature born out of the divisive ecosystem in Bollywood in recent years. In the run up to the last general elections, Uri and The Accidental Prime Minister were released on the same day in January 2019, few months before the general election. The Tashkent Files was released a day after the election. The Kashmir Files was announced a few weeks after Article 370 was abrogated.
The Kashmir Files has not been made to seek reconciliation. It doesn’t want an apology from the state, from every politician, bureaucrat and cop under whose watch Kashmiri Pandits were rendered homeless. Nor does it demand just compensation from the government.
The Kashmir Files’ appeal is neither cinematic nor historical. It will probably make a lot of money, but it’ll be forgotten soon.
The tragedy of Kashmir and Kashmiris — Pandits and Muslims — deserves a better, more humane film by an honest and skilled writer-director.
 

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On a difficult note, that may not be understood even in a very sensitive group such as insaniyat, the impression sometimes that seeps across is that this is a deep Brahmin conspiracy, an Indian version of Q-ANON.

The scumbag who made the film is an Agnihotri. OTOH, the lady who wrote the review is Suparna Sharma. There are scummy people in all places.
 

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The Tragedy of ‘The Kashmir Files’


The Tragedy of ‘The Kashmir Files’​

The recent history of the Kashmir and Kashmiris — Pandits and Muslims — deserves a humane film by an honest and skilled writer-director. This is not that film.


Suparna Sharma
Mar 23, 2022




Mithun Chakraborty in a still from 'The Kashmir Files.'
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The Kashmir Files
Cast: Anupam Kher, Mithun Chakraborty, Darshan Kumar, Pallavi Joshi, Chinmay Mandelkar, Prakash Belawadi, Puneet Issar, Bhasha Sumbli
Direction: Vivek Agnihotri
Rating: ★
On a weekday, at 11 am, the cinema hall was about 70 percent full. There were senior citizens — uncles and aunties, families with kids, husband-wife duos, and gangs of boys who sat watching The Kashmir Files with a haughty manspread.
Written and directed by Vivek Agnihotri, Kashmir Files has its own manspread. Loud, tacky and long, 10 minutes shy of three hours, it held sway over the audience whenever there was blood, violence and deafening jingoism on the screen. Rest of the time people were busy talking on their phones or scrolling through Whatsapp.
I approached The Kashmir Files with some anxiety. I was scared that since his laughably dim-witted Tashkent Files (2018), Agnihotri would have acquired some cinematic skills. I was afraid that The Kashmir Files would be like Aditya Dhar’s Uri — intelligent, slick, well-written, well-made and crackling with brilliant acting. But, despite all the love that has been bestowed upon him in some quarters, Agnihotri remains a writer and director bereft of cinematic prowess.
No one expected Agnihotri to tell the tragic story of Kashmir and Kashmiris with any measure of honesty. But what’s surprising is how little The Kashmir Files is interested in Kashmiri Pandits. The film simply takes a deeply shameful slice of Indian history — about the rise of militancy in Kashmir, the indiscriminate killings and the exodus of Kashmiri Pandits — and weaponizes this tragedy.
Set in 1990, Kashmir, the first sign of discord we encounter in The Kashmir Files is over cricket. An India-Pakistan match is underway when a young boy, Shiva, begins to cheer for Sachin Tendulkar. Big, burly men punch, kick and abuse him.
Elsewhere, Shiva’s grandfather Pushkar (Anupam Kher) is painting his face blue for the rehearsal of a play for Shivratri when someone in his troupe says, “Mahol kharab hai”.
As Shiva and Pushkar head home separately, groups of men in the streets carrying AK-47s are shouting, “Convert, leave or die”.
Soon after they reach home, where Shiva’s father, mother Sharda Pandit (Bhasha Sumbli), and younger brother Krishna have been waiting for them, Farooq Malik Bitta (Chinmay Mandlekar) and his armed men knock on their door. The neighbor squeals on them and Bitta heads straight for the rice drum in which Shiva’s father is hiding. Despite being Pushkar’s former student, he sprays bullets into it. Agnihotri doesn’t think this is gory or tragic enough. So he makes Bitta pick up rice soaked in blood and thrust it in Sharda’s face. If she eats it, she and her family may live.
Some of the best movies in the world are propaganda films. Especially war and spy movies. Where Eagles Dare, Zulu, Bridge on the River Kwai, every James Bond film, Munich, even our own Haqeeqat (1964) and Lagaan (2001). These films have the intelligence and skill to create compelling characters and unforgettable human drama. They are so well made that it’s difficult to see their agenda or pick a fight with them.
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The Kashmir Files has a B-grade soul and lust for gore. It has no grace, no aesthetic appeal and no patience for context or complexity. It conjures up a dark period of India history by cherry-picking, pruning and twisting incidents and events to cast a large section of Kashmiris as villains.
This skewed narrative is built on a screenplay that’s constructed like an equilateral triangle. At the top sits the past, and equidistant from it are two discussions that take place in the present.
The past is Kashmir of 1990, and in the present is the house of a former IAS officer Brahma Dutt (Mithun Chakraborty) and his wife Laxmi (Mrinal Kulkarni). Old friends have gathered there — Vishnu, a journalist, Dr Mahesh (Prakash Belawadi) a doctor, and DGP Hari Narain (Puneet Issar) — to meet Krishna (Darshan Kumar), who is to arrive with the ashes of their dear friend, Pushkar.
The college in which Krishna studies, ANU Delhi, is the film’s third set.
In Dutt’s home the conversation is about how the state, centre, bureaucracy, police force failed Kashmiri Pandits, while at ANU, Prof. Radhika Menon (Pallavi Joshi) talks about how, since the exodus of Kashmiri Pandits, Muslims have been killed by the security forces, that 7,000 of them are missing, unaccounted for.
actor Darshan Kumar in a scene from Kashmir Files
Darshan Kumar in ‘The Kashmir Files’
At Dutt’s home there is solemnity and rage over how life once was, and how quickly it was thrown asunder by Muslims. In ANU, Prof Menon encourages “aazadi” ke naare as she tells Krishna and other students that Kashmir awaits the promised plebiscite.
One conversation is made out to be the honest truth and the other is rubbished as falsehood being perpetuated by deshdrohis.
Krishna grew up with his grandfather Pushkar at various refugee camps, and yet the film shows him as being confused about what happened to Kashmiri Pandits. That’s because Krishna is us — India’s brainwashed, misguided citizens who need to be told what is the truth and whom to blame.
The Kashmir Files‘ agenda is all too apparent. Agnihotri puts orange tilak on the forehead of every Kashmiri Pandit, gives most of them names of Hindu gods and goddesses, but lines the eyes of the rest with dark kajal, gives them an automatic rifle or malevolence, and stamps them all as the enemy.
The film even drags the Nadimarg massacre of 24 Kashmiri pandits in 2003 to 1990, to bolster its case. This leap from 1990 to 2003 ignores several incidents before and in between, including what’s regarded as the beginning of militancy in Kashmir like the assassination of National Conference’s Mohd Yousuf Halwai in 1989, because he refused to obey the militant’s diktat and switch off the lights at his house a day before, on August 15.
The film paints a picture of the exclusively Hindu Kashmir of long ago as the jannat where Rishi Kashyap once lived, Panchtantra was written. It doesn’t mention that Muslims have been living in Kashmir since the 13th and 14th century. Or that Zain-ul-Abidin, often called the Bod Shah (Great King), had banned cow slaughter. Or that during the Dogra rule in Kashmir, Muslims were prohibited from issuing Friday azan and the fine for killing a Muslim was less than the fine for killing a Hindu.
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But so keen is the film to please that when it shows a dinner table full of delicious Kashmiri Pandit food, it serves up only vegetarian dishes despite Pandits’ great love for meat and fish.
The Kashmir Files is also quite foolish. It repeatedly calls all journalists — desi and foreign — bikau, forgetting that it derives its title from the file of newspaper clippings that Brahma Dutt has painstakingly put together and holds as proof of what happened in 1990.
The film has a few brief moments that hold, and these are powered by the performances of Anupam Kher and Bhasha Sumbli who plays Sharda.
But the star of the show is Pallavi Joshi whose Prof. Menon plays a very special role in peddling half-truths and trivializing the suffering of Kashmiri Muslims since 1990. She is the amalgamation of all secular liberals who speak up against what is happening right now in Kashmir.
Joshi is a very fine actress and she plays her part with the malice with which her character has been written.
Her eyes are lined with dark kajal, she wears silver jewelry, dark lipstick and is shot in very tight close-ups. The camera focuses on her big, shining eyes and ashen, moving lips. After she is dismembered and dehumanized by the camera, whatever she says can be easily dismissed or trivialized.
But Prof. Menon is never allowed to speak the whole truth. All she ends up saying is that Kashmiris have no Internet. Compared to the suffering of Kashmiri Pandits, Ms Menon’s plea for WiFi feels obscene.
The Kashmir Files is a creature born out of the divisive ecosystem in Bollywood in recent years. In the run up to the last general elections, Uri and The Accidental Prime Minister were released on the same day in January 2019, few months before the general election. The Tashkent Files was released a day after the election. The Kashmir Files was announced a few weeks after Article 370 was abrogated.
The Kashmir Files has not been made to seek reconciliation. It doesn’t want an apology from the state, from every politician, bureaucrat and cop under whose watch Kashmiri Pandits were rendered homeless. Nor does it demand just compensation from the government.
The Kashmir Files’ appeal is neither cinematic nor historical. It will probably make a lot of money, but it’ll be forgotten soon.
The tragedy of Kashmir and Kashmiris — Pandits and Muslims — deserves a better, more humane film by an honest and skilled writer-director.
As expected. Agnihotri is a sub mediocre director who has been comparing his work to Spielberg.

The point I was making is not on the film itself but on the right to further an agenda through twisted half truths and outright lies. It's not the first time this has happened.
 

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As expected. Agnihotri is a sub mediocre director who has been comparing his work to Spielberg.

The point I was making is not on the film itself but on the right to further an agenda through twisted half truths and outright lies. It's not the first time this has happened.
Two different things - first, Agnihotri, who tried to promote his films at NALSAR while I was teaching there, and so is a person whose views I have heard myself, and whom I have interrogated myself, is a piece of shit, and his movies are so focussed on hammering away at the fault lines in Indian society that they come out smacking of cheap propaganda. What am I saying? They ARE cheap propaganda.

On the second point you raised, this government is only about creating fear and hatred in the minds of caste Hindus about Muslims and Christians to gain vote share.

They have achieved nothing that does not align to this objective. It is a remarkable record of consistent non-performance.
 

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