TR Defence Exports & Updates

[Oublious]

Is that possible to pay that much for the CATIA?

i remember it was millions of dollar...

 

[dBSPL]

Turkish Exporters Assembly (TIM) announced October 2022 export data. Here is the Defense and Aerospace Industry 2022 monthly export figures:

$295,376,000 in January 2022,
$325,096,000 in February 2022,
$326,945,000 in March 2022,
$390,559,000 in April 2022,
$330,388,000 in May 2022,
$308,734,000 in June 2022,
$325,743,000 in July 2022,
$333,921,000 in August 2022,
$166,567,000 in September 2022,
$464,527,000 in October 2022,

In the first 10 months of the year, exports totaled 3 billion 267 million 257 thousand dollars. Thus, the Turkish defense and aerospace sector exported 36.4 percent more compared to the first ten months of 2021. The sector, which exported 301 million 391 thousand dollars in October 2021, increased by 54.1 percent on a monthly basis. If the sector can exceed the 2022 monthly export average by 10% in November and December, the target of 4 billion dollars in 2022 will be achieved. As of August 2022, it was announced that the amount of deliveries realized and expected to be realized within the year was 3 billion 992 million dollars.

In 2022, sector is likely to realize an export volume of over 4 billion dollars. The strategic plan had set a target of reaching $10.2 billion in defense and aerospace exports in 2023, thus becoming one of the leading countries in terms of sector sustainability.

The sector is not expected to reach this export level in 2023. Nevertheless, it is estimated that Turkiye will easily surpass the $5 billion mark in 2023 and enter the group of second-tier countries in the broadly defined defense and aerospace sector.

 

[Agha Sher]

Turkish Exporters Assembly (TIM) announced October 2022 export data. Here is the Defense and Aerospace Industry 2022 monthly export figures:

$295,376,000 in January 2022,
$325,096,000 in February 2022,
$326,945,000 in March 2022,
$390,559,000 in April 2022,
$330,388,000 in May 2022,
$308,734,000 in June 2022,
$325,743,000 in July 2022,
$333,921,000 in August 2022,
$166,567,000 in September 2022,
$464,527,000 in October 2022,

In the first 10 months of the year, exports totaled 3 billion 267 million 257 thousand dollars. Thus, the Turkish defense and aerospace sector exported 36.4 percent more compared to the first ten months of 2021. The sector, which exported 301 million 391 thousand dollars in October 2021, increased by 54.1 percent on a monthly basis. If the sector can exceed the 2022 monthly export average by 10% in November and December, the target of 4 billion dollars in 2022 will be achieved. As of August 2022, it was announced that the amount of deliveries realized and expected to be realized within the year was 3 billion 992 million dollars.

In 2022, sector is likely to realize an export volume of over 4 billion dollars. The strategic plan had set a target of reaching $10.2 billion in defense and aerospace exports in 2023, thus becoming one of the leading countries in terms of sector sustainability.

The sector is not expected to reach this export level in 2023. Nevertheless, it is estimated that Turkiye will easily surpass the $5 billion mark in 2023 and enter the group of second-tier countries in the broadly defined defense and aerospace sector.

What countries are in respectively the first and second tier? And what is the distinction between the tiers? I would say Turkey is already 2nd tier and pushing into first tier in the next 5 years.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

3 billion and 267 million dollars in total export for turkey in the first 10 months of the year. I guess that means many deals have been made behind the curtains, or have I missed a lot of posts made in this thread?

 

[Agha Sher]

3 billion and 267 million dollars in total export for turkey in the first 10 months of the year. I guess that means many deals have been made behind the curtains, or have I missed a lot of posts made in this thread?

Revenue is not registered when deals are signed but when deliveries happen or milestones in production are reached (often with ships). That is why these numbers also can be misleading as Turkiye order books are full

 

[Fuzuli NL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1588833343520780289

Saudi Arabia must be the old C-130E Hercules .

 

[B_A]

What countries are in respectively the first and second tier? And what is the distinction between the tiers? I would say Turkey is already 2nd tier and pushing into first tier in the next 5 years.T

Tier 1 US and Russia(sometimes including France)
Tier 2 France China Germany UK S.Korean other EU countries like ltaly and holland etcs Israeil

or US tier 1 others tier2

 

[Hexciter]

Indonesia will be the first user of the collapsible stock rifle of Kale Kalıp.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1588795206270603265

 

[Hexciter]

◾️TUSAŞ General Manager Temel Kotil: “We have sold 3 ANKAs to Malaysia.”

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1588847446775386112

 

[TheInsider]

Next year Turkiye will double its defense exports. Baykar plans to produce 500 TB2 and 40 Akıncı in 2023. Baykar will also produce DIHA.

Haluk Bayraktar, “Yılda 500 adet TB2 üreteceğiz” | Airway Post

Baykar Genel Müdürü Haluk Bayraktar, Bayraktar TB2'nin 24 ülkeye ihraç edildiğini, daha yeni envantere giren Akıncı için de 4 ülkeyle imzaların atıldığını söyledi. Bayraktar, gelirlerinde ihracatın payının %98 olduğunu vurguladı. TÜRK savunma sanayiinin insansız hava araçları üreticisi...

www.airwaypost.com

 

[dBSPL]

What countries are in respectively the first and second tier? And what is the distinction between the tiers? I would say Turkey is already 2nd tier and pushing into first tier in the next 5 years.

Actually, you are right that such a precise classification cannot be made. When we add civil aviation to the evaluation, the parameters become quite different.

Aerospace is subdivided into Space and Aviation, while Defense is subdivided into Army, Navy and Airforce. Within these sub-fields, there are areas where the Turkish defense and aerospace industry is strong and areas where it is still weak. Tier-1 exporters are countries with global influence in each of these areas. In simple terms, a defense and aerospace industry that exports more than 10 billion dollars a year has already become a global player in each of these areas.

 

[Corvus]

OFFICIAL Weapons Contract
1. CMS OPV Warship
2. CMS OPV 90 meter Warship
3. CMS KCR 90 meter Warship�2.
4. CMS Frigate (Arrowhead 140)
5. 2 unit KCR TAIS
6. Khan TBM System
7. Hisar O&U SAM
8. Atmaca AsHM

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1589559951403679745

 

[dBSPL]

OFFICIAL Weapons Contract
1. CMS OPV Warship
2. CMS OPV 90 meter Warship
3. CMS KCR 90 meter Warship�2.
4. CMS Frigate (Arrowhead 140)
5. 2 unit KCR TAIS
6. Khan TBM System
7. Hisar O&U SAM
8. Atmaca AsHM

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1589559951403679745

I think we will need a separate thread for the platforms that our shipbuilding industry is building for the world navies. Because it is getting harder and harder to follow.

 

[Anmdt]

There is a confusion with Hisar-O/U as it seems. @SavunmaSanayiST.com says they will publish an article to cleanse the mess. And Anil Sahin says it has nothing to do with actual Hisar system.

 

[Radonsider]

There is a confusion with Hisar-O/U as it seems. @SavunmaSanayiST.com says they will publish an article to cleanse the mess. And Anil Sahin says it has nothing to do with actual Hisar system.

Then what, every Indonesian defence expert claimed it was Hisar, even MoD says it's Hisar.

 

[Anmdt]

Then what, every Indonesian defence expert claimed it was Hisar, even MoD says it's Hisar.

In my opinion Roketsan only provides Rocket and TVC part of the missile and retia / whomever is the other partner is providing seeker and other command and control stuff, data-link etc.

However there is no other partner in the consortium who can provide these. Retia provides the highlighted parts, EA provides the carrier integration and contractor -project management position, Tatra provides the trucks.

Even the missile in image is Hisar-O.

@SavunmaSanayiST.com is saying this:

Geliştirilecek olan bu hava savunma füzeleri, mevcut HİSAR-O, HİSAR-RF ve SİPER Blok I füzelerinden farklı yapıda olacaklar. Füzeler, Roketsan tarafından tamamen Endonezya Ordusu’nun ihtiyaçlarına binaen geliştirilecekler.

So Roketsan is developing a whole new missile as the contractor of missile-end of the air defense system. Both missiles are reported to be RF seeker versions.

 

[Radonsider]

In my opinion Roketsan only provides Rocket and TVC part of the missile and retia / whomever is the other partner is providing seeker and other command and control stuff, data-link etc.

However there is no other partner in the consortium who can provide these. Retia provides the highlighted parts, EA provides the carrier integration and contractor -project management position, Tatra provides the trucks.

Even the missile in image is Hisar-O.
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@SavunmaSanayiST.com is saying this:



So Roketsan is developing a whole new missile as the contractor of missile-end of the air defense system. Both missiles are reported to be RF seeker versions.

So essentially Indonesian Hisar.

 

[Anmdt]

So essentially Indonesian Hisar.

Yes with their selection of data link and seeker systems, possibly. Still a good thing, the same missile can be equipped by Aselsan seeker, Meteksan data link and can be put in the export market via Turkish battalion etc.

Sounds like this missile will be more for taste of export market.

 

[Radonsider]

Yes with their selection of data link and seeker systems, possibly. Still a good thing, the same missile can be equipped by Aselsan seeker, Meteksan data link and can be put in the export market via Turkish battalion etc.

Sounds like this missile will be more for taste of export market.

I wonder if they didn't like the original Hisar/Siper series

 

[Anmdt]

I wonder if they didn't like the original Hisar/Siper series

Maybe they demand different specs from the missile. It is told the missiles will be new, thus we have no idea as of now.

But it is for sure Roketsan will be making just the missile itself. It is a good prestige to supply a tailored solution and definitely will worth the trouble in terms of demand and production. However, this contract causes a misunderstanding on Hisar and Siper and make people question "why not these but a new missile, is anything bad with Turkish missiles".