TR Defence Exports & Updates

[Philip the Arab]

. I though they had their own UAVs or are they only capable of producing plastic mockups themselves?

It's funny how you doubt the ability of engineers with dozens of years of experience and access to millions of dollars of funding.

 

[AWP]

That's not needed, they got the expertise from Denel dynamics employees involved in the Seeker 400, and Bataleur UAV and recovered TB2 samples from Libya.

I disagree with you on this point . not matter how much experience you have you still need more of it . If baykar technologies had an opportunity to reverse-engineer MQ- 9 reaper , you think they will say no and lose a gateway to better technology ?

 

[Agha Sher]

That's not needed, they got the expertise from Denel dynamics employees involved in the Seeker 400, and Bataleur UAV and recovered TB2 samples from Libya.

I personally doubt they bought the TB2 until I actually see proof of it and Russian source are historically unreliable.

If they did purchase it, it could function as a gap filler until the Reach-S enters service in a couple years.

Those engineers have produced nothing besides plastic mockups so far.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Those engineers have produced nothing besides plastic mockups so far.

Denel engineers have produced many products going back to the 80s. Look up Kentron for more information about that.

 

[Oublious]

It's funny how you doubt the ability of engineers with dozens of years of experience and access to millions of dollars of funding.

It is not only engineers but industry, Emirati is a desert with zero industry. You will need to put your paper work in the machine work. Well everything you will do is send the print to x company to make your part. From electronics to mechanic parts, you put every egg in to 1 basket.

You need ecosystem, your defence company need partners to produce it. Well ask your denel engineers to make it to. Or go ask chinese company to make your parts. Oh i forget to write, sensitive parts you can not get it. Chips to electronic cards....

 

[Philip the Arab]

It is not only engineers but industry, Emirati is a desert with zero industry. You will need to put your paper work in the machine work. Well everything you will do is send the print to x company to make your part. From electronics to mechanic parts, you put every egg in to 1 basket.

You need ecosystem, your defence company need partners to produce it. Well ask your denel engineers to make it to. Or go ask chinese company to make your parts. Oh i forget to write, sensitive parts you can not get it. Chips to electronic cards....

Their goal is not to produce everything, but to tailor make their products to fulfill the needs of the armed forces.

They have no need to produce everything as the chance of them being sanctioned is close to 0 for many different reasons. Supplied from India for example (many parts come from there) is almost foolproof because of the Indian diaspora reliant on jobs in the UAE, good relations, and economic ties.

Btw, they produce almost all mechanic parts in country with 5 and 6 axes CNC machines, the hard part is the electronics which must be imported.

 

[Philip the Arab]

I disagree with you on this point . not matter how much experience you have you still need more of it . If baykar technologies had an opportunity to reverse-engineer MQ- 9 reaper , you think they will say no and lose a gateway to better technology ?

They had access to TB2s already and likely took the ones that crashed in Libya back to the UAE. TB2 is not advanced in itself but the strategy it is used with is important.

As far as them needing Turkish subsystems, I would say possibly but they seem to be trying to develop core subsystems independently using COTS optics.

 

[Altay_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1469593737588318210

 

[Ryder]

Yemen the place were we lost so many Turkish soldiers.

Only thing I would do in Yemen is not even step foot in that God forsaken place.

That place is cursed. I would not even allow a drone to operate there.

 

[Ryder]

If it makes you feel better, TB2s aren't exactly top-of-the-line golden geese. They are cheap and reliable but UAE will still probably get some South African engineers to try and reverse-engineer it. Which is why you put counter-measures to fry everything if they try to pry it open.


Yemen is screwing the Gulf monarchies six ways from Sunday on every front, it's been their single biggest headache of the past decade. If I was Erdogan, I'd actually be funding the Yemenis to inflict as much damage on the UAE and Saudi Arabia as possible and wrestle them away from Iranian influence but that's just me.

Yemen is a cursed place.

Anybody who goes there never returns back.

 

[Combat-Master]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1469593737588318210

Fantastic! Also nice to see Cirit smart pod, confirms Turkish weapons package.

Let this also be a lid to those who wanted this export to fail.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1469468176068931584

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Around 270 million usd for the 6 T129 to the philiphines right? 45 million for each piece is not a bad deal. Does the t129 atak have manned-unmanned teaming kit (MUTK)?

 

[TheInsider]

Around 270 million usd for the 6 T129 to the philiphines right? 45 million for each piece is not a bad deal. Does the t129 atak have manned-unmanned teaming kit (MUTK)?

I don't know if they are getting MUTK but I know the Philippines is getting the complete package. The contract includes all the goodies like weapons and support. It is like a US FMS deal but all terms are ticked and confirmed so what you see is very close to the possible maximum price.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

I don't know if they are getting MUTK but I know the Philippines is getting the complete package. The contract includes all the goodies like weapons and support. It is like a US FMS deal but all terms are ticked and confirmed so what you see is very close to the possible maximum price.

I guess the philiphines recieved the phase 2 atak 129 version right? Im just thinking about how many atak 129 the moroccan armed could have got. We payed 4.2 billion for 24 apache with the latest upgrades.

 

[Siper>MMU]

PAF Ataks lack many systems: No LWR, no RWR, no RF Jammer and IRCM.

 

[TheInsider]

PAF Ataks lack many systems: No LWR, no RWR, no RF Jammer and IRCM.

Really? Thats news to me.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

PAF Ataks lack many systems: No LWR, no RWR, no RF Jammer and IRCM.

If you refering to the pakistan air force then no not all of them will lack this systems. Only the first batch will lack them, but eventually they will get upgraded by the end of the final batch delievery

 

[Nilgiri]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1469468176068931584

Will it be based on Kaplan?

 

[Anmdt]

Will it be based on Kaplan?

Naval Programs

Pretty awesome system developed for SAT/SAS.

defencehub.live

ZAHA is MAV (Marine Assault Vehicle) and it is almost ready to enter service in TN.

This will rather be a licenced production, or a portion will be produced in Turkey (dependig on when and how contract is finalized) and rest is done in Indonesia.