TR Defence Exports & Updates

[Anmdt]

again

Was he ever otherwise?

 

[Fuzuli NL]

8 for Akıncı? Pak, Aze, Qatar, UAE, SA. Others?

Libya, Kyrgyzstan, and probably Mali, Burkina Faso or Niger.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Libya, Kyrgyzstan, and probably Mali, Burkina Faso or Niger.

Kingdom of Morocco!

 

[Agha Sher]

Libya, Kyrgyzstan, and probably Mali, Burkina Faso or Niger.

Ver very unlikely to be Mali, Burkina Faso and Niger.

 

[Afif]

Kingdom of Morocco!

Confirmed?
Aren’t you little concern that Türkiye is supplying both sides. E. g. TAI is supplying Anka and Aksungur to Algeria While Morocco is getting TB-2 and possibly Akinci.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Confirmed?
Aren’t you little concern that Türkiye is supplying both sides. E. g. TAI is supplying Anka and Aksungur to Algeria While Morocco is getting TB-2 and possibly Akinci.

Why would Morocco be concerned? From which perspective?

 

[Afif]

Why would Morocco be concerned? From which perspective?

Given the arms race between two countries?

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Kingdom of Morocco!

I really hope so.

 

[wolveray1]

That is confusing.

According to @wolveray1 the budget is around $10 millions.

Black Arrow – the Turkish Delights – Malaysian Defence

www.malaysiandefence.com

Malaysiandefence seems to be quoting specific numbers for five shortlisted bidders.

The lowest bidder is RM42.075 million; followed by RM42.322 million; RM44.550 million; RM44.736 million and highest RM46.673.

I wonder if Malaysian Ministry of Defense formally specified the budget. Is there any way to know it @wolveray1 ?

I've read a few tweet quoting the same numbers from malaysian defense blog.

 

[Osman]

"One Roketsan official said the Karaok system is capable of engaging and destroying armor and fortified bunkers at a distance of 2-4 kilometers (1.2-2.5 miles)."

From bekdil's news. Karaok's max effective range is 4 km now

 

[guest12]

"One Roketsan official said the Karaok system is capable of engaging and destroying armor and fortified bunkers at a distance of 2-4 kilometers (1.2-2.5 miles)."

From bekdil's news. Karaok's max effective range is 4 km now

Its still 2.5 km then.

 

[Heartbang]

Its still 2.5 km then.

Defence Exports & Updates

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As I explained in the above link, its up to the CLU unit which provides guidance to the missile, not the missile itself.

 

[Tornadoss]

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And if you speak to PKK supporters they'll tell you how great they were and how you shouldn't trust propaganda coming from Turkish sources. You talk about growing up while believing people who support terrorists readily. There is no reason to talk and derail the thread anymore, I hope people in...

defencehub.live

As I explained in the above link, its up to the CLU unit which provides guidance to the missile, not the missile itself.

So, Karaok being smaller and lighter than Omtas has the same range with it? Doubt that unless you have a source showing it's range is 4 Km, it's range is 2.5 KM as stated Roketsan's brochure.

Roketsan - KARAOK Short-Range Anti-Tank Weapon

www.roketsan.com.tr

 

[Heartbang]

So, Karaok being smaller and lighter than Omtas has the same range with it? Doubt that unless you have a source showing it's range is 4 Km, it's range is 2.5 KM as stated Roketsan's brochure.

Roketsan - KARAOK Short-Range Anti-Tank Weapon

www.roketsan.com.tr

I don't compare it with OMTAS, I compare it with FGM-148 Javelin.

The dimensions of Javelin and Karaok are pretty much the same. This also applies to weight.
Javelin is listed as 15.9 kilos, Karaok is listed as "<16 kg" (Cheeky)
Therefore, one can assume their kinematic performance would be the same. And would be most definitely correct.
In that case, it would be logical to accept Javelin's range numbers would carry over to the Karaok 1-to-1.

As for the OMTAS, its much larger and heavier than than the systems(TOW and MILAN) that its destined to replace. About 1.8 meters long, weighs 35 kg in its tube.
UMTAS is the same length, only 2.5 kg heavier, with twice the claimed range. Clearly some fvckery is afoot in those specs.

 

[Chocopie]

I don't compare it with OMTAS, I compare it with FGM-148 Javelin.

The dimensions of Javelin and Karaok are pretty much the same. This also applies to weight.
Javelin is listed as 15.9 kilos, Karaok is listed as "<16 kg" (Cheeky)
Therefore, one can assume their kinematic performance would be the same. And would be most definitely correct.
In that case, it would be logical to accept Javelin's range numbers would carry over to the Karaok 1-to-1.

As for the OMTAS, its much larger and heavier than than the systems(TOW and MILAN) that its destined to replace. About 1.8 meters long, weighs 35 kg in its tube.
UMTAS is the same length, only 2.5 kg heavier, with twice the claimed range. Clearly some fvckery is afoot in those specs.

Karaok and Javelin are different in wing design, warhead weight, seeker, rocket fuel and propulsion, flight paths and attack angles. They‘re not 1:1 clones. No reasons to question the specs of the producer Roketsan of 2,5 km.

FGM-148 was introduced 1996 with 2 km range, later enhanced to 2,5 km and with latest lightweight CLU (2022) the operational range „could“ reach 4 to 4,5 km. Qualified effective range is still 2,5 km according to US Army:

SPECIFICATIONS

• Weight (Block 1 Missile and CLU combined): 48.8 pounds (Missile – 33.3 pounds; CLU – 15.5 pounds)
• Diameter: 127 mm
• Range: Qualified to 2,500 meters; demonstrated performance to 4,000 meters in most operational conditions

https://asc.army.mil/web/portfolio-item/javelin/

 

[Afif]

Karaok and Javelin are different in wing design, warhead weight, seeker, rocket fuel and propulsion, flight paths and attack angles. They‘re not 1:1 clones. No reasons to question the specs of the producer Roketsan of 2,5 km.

FGM-148 was introduced 1996 with 2 km range, later enhanced to 2,5 km and with latest lightweight CLU (2022) the operational range „could“ reach 4 to 4,5 km. Qualified effective range is still 2,5 km according to US Army:

„SPECIFICATIONS

• Weight (Block 1 Missile and CLU combined): 48.8 pounds (Missile – 33.3 pounds; CLU – 15.5 pounds)
• Diameter: 127 mm
• Range: Qualified to 2,500 meters; demonstrated performance to 4,000 meters in most operational conditions“

https://asc.army.mil/web/portfolio-item/javelin/

I know what I am about to say is unpopular, but I think within next decade these ATGMs will loose much of their significance against the armour of first world armies. At least in the sense of what we witnessed in Ukraine.
because now state of art Active protection systems are being installed on all the new generation Tanks and IFVs. Abrams M1 A2 SEP3, challenger 3, leopard 2 a8, Altay, VT-4, KF-41 Lynx AS-21 Redback are all coming equipped with Trophy, iron fist, Akkor, GL-6, etc. And they can indeed defeat top attack ammunitions. With the operational use of Trophy with a success rate of 95%, we can reliably conclude that Active protection system do works.

I think in the future anti armour system capabilities will get much more complicated in order to defeat APS. 70mm Rockets could play a part in this.

 

[Heartbang]

Karaok and Javelin are different in wing design, warhead weight, seeker, rocket fuel and propulsion, flight paths and attack angles.

Prove it.

No reasons to question the specs of the producer Roketsan of 2,5 km.

I wasn't questioning the specs of Karaok, I was questioning the specs of OMTAS

and with latest lightweight CLU (2022) the operational range „could“ reach 4 to 4,5 km.

My point EXACTLY!

 

[Bogeyman]

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From a fair in Taiwan

Jackal armed UAV scores first order with 160-unit Taiwan deal​

Flyby Technology – a UK-based developer of unmanned air vehicles (UAVs) – has scored a launch order for its armed Jackal drone, with a 160-unit commitment from Taiwan.

Jon Parker, founder and chief executive of the company, speaking to FlightGlobal from the DSEI show in London on 14 September, said the vertical take-off and landing Jackal is “just right for Taiwan” as it can operate across multiple domains, including maritime.

No details of the contract value have been disclosed, but Parker says the UAV is pitched at a price-point “between expendable and attritable”.


Parker also declines to reveal a delivery timetable, citing customer sensitivities, but points to the rapid development of the platform, which went from “zero to firing two missiles” within six months.

In tests disclosed in April, but conducted in October 2022, a pair of Thales Martlet lightweight multirole missiles were launched from the platform. The trials were carried out as part of a project sponsored by the Royal Air Force’s (RAF’s) Rapid Capabilities Office.

Parker says Flyby is keen to integrate additional weapons onto the Jackal and is in discussions with several missile suppliers.

Although Taipei has placed the first order for the Jackal, Parker says other potential customers could receive their aircraft first, given the challenges around localising production in Taiwan.


“There are other customers that might be able to get there quicker,” he adds.

Jackal has been developed in the UK, with input from Flyby’s Turkish sister company FlyBVLOS Technology.

Final assembly will also be in the UK and Flyby is talking to potential suppliers, including for the Jackal’s engines.

Power for the two pairs of rotors and the electric ducted fans currently comes from batteries, but production versions will instead use a turbogenerator. Maximum take-off weight is 105kg (231lb), which will rise to 155kg or above with the new propulsion system.

“There are some very big British names behind this,” says Parker, a former RAF fighter pilot.

He says Jackal’s role is “battlefield interdiction”, targeting armoured vehicles, aircraft or personnel.

“Our role is to go behind enemy lines and push everything so far back that it becomes irrelevant.”

Jackal will be capable of performing collaborative and swarming operations, and the company will also look to add manned-unmanned teaming capabilities.


Additionally, Flyby intends for the UAV to become a testbed for “new and exciting technologies”, he adds.

Jackal armed UAV scores first order with 160-unit Taiwan deal

Flyby Technology – a UK-based developer of unmanned air vehicles (UAVs) – has scored a launch order for its armed Jackal drone, with a 160-unit commitment from Taiwan.

www.flightglobal.com

 

[Chocopie]

Prove it.

I wasn't questioning the specs of Karaok, I was questioning the specs of OMTAS

My point EXACTLY!

I only know the specs of seeker, warhead, flight path and attack angle of Javelin. There‘re no such infos available for Karaok to me. No proof but visible differences of wings and body designs of both ATGM and common sense, man

I don't compare it with OMTAS, I compare it with FGM-148 Javelin.

You said here you compare Karaok to Javelin and assumes that it can reach 4 km as well.

In that case, it would be logical to accept Javelin's range numbers would carry over to the Karaok 1-to-1.

As of now, Karaok‘s CLU provides only 2,5 km range according to Roketsan, not 4 km.

Regarding questioning the range of OMTAS?

 

[Chocopie]

I know what I am about to say is unpopular, but I think within next decade these ATGMs will loose much of their significance against the armour of first world armies. At least in the sense of what we witnessed in Ukraine.
because now state of art Active protection systems are being installed on all the new generation Tanks and IFVs. Abrams M1 A2 SEP3, challenger 3, leopard 2 a8, Altay, VT-4, KF-41 Lynx AS-21 Redback are all coming equipped with Trophy, iron fist, Akkor, GL-6, etc. And they can indeed defeat top attack ammunitions. With the operational use of Trophy with a success rate of 95%, we can reliably conclude that Active protection system do works.

I think in the future anti armour system capabilities will get much more complicated in order to defeat APS. 70mm Rockets could play a part in this.

Haven‘t seen any test footage of Trophy or other APS successfully defending against a top-attack missile like Javelin or Spike diving steep down at a nearly 90° angle.

How about fast reloading? Saturated and simultanous attacks will overwhelm APS as well. I don‘t believe all this marketing promises of Rafael, Rheinmetall and others without visible proof on Youtube