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[B_A]

China's FC-31 Stealth Fighter Officially Being Sought By Pakistan

The chief of the Pakistan Air Force says that the Chinese new-generation fighter is “all set to become part of the fleet in the near future.”

www.thedrive.com

How did this flew under your radar folks?

Looks like Pakistan is a lost cause for KAAN. Not that Turkey technically needs them, but politically it would have been a win. Despite Turkey showing good interest in Pak's participation, they weren't very assuring from the beginning.

Previously i wrote in detail why Pakistan is likely to choose FC-31 over KAAN. But that wasn't very believable back then. Most people was almost certain, even if Pakistan don't join the program, they would definitely select to buy it as their next gen fighter.
@Sanchez @TR_123456 @Bogeyman et al.

KAAN is far later than FC31,maybe they will buy Kaan 15 years later,who know?

Turkey has the same bad habit as Japan.

We like to compare products that are in early stages of testing with more mature products from other countries.For example the F3 or XF9 or TF-35000 or Hurjet or ALTAY in 2015.

 

[TR_123456]

China's FC-31 Stealth Fighter Officially Being Sought By Pakistan

The chief of the Pakistan Air Force says that the Chinese new-generation fighter is “all set to become part of the fleet in the near future.”

www.thedrive.com

How did this flew under your radar folks?

Looks like Pakistan is a lost cause for KAAN. Not that Turkey technically needs them, but politically it would have been a win. Despite Turkey showing good interest in Pak's participation, they weren't very assuring from the beginning.

Previously i wrote in detail why Pakistan is likely to choose FC-31 over KAAN. But that wasn't very believable back then. Most people was almost certain, even if Pakistan don't join the program, they would definitely select to buy it as their next gen fighter.
@Sanchez @TR_123456 @Bogeyman et al.

You know this is about 2040 and beyond,right?
How long will it take for us to build 200/250 KAAN's for our own airforce you think?
Lets say 24 a year at best,still a decade from 2030.
You never know what will happen to or in Pakistan till then.
Trust me,if Pakistan can Pakistan will buy KAAN.

 

[Huelague]

You know this is about 2040 and beyond,right?
How long will it take for us to build 200/250 KAAN's for our own airforce you think?
Lets say 24 a year at best,still a decade from 2030.
You never know what will happen to or in Pakistan till then.
Trust me,if Pakistan can Pakistan will buy KAAN.

2-4 per mouth (by T. Kotil). ~ 5 years for 250 jets.

 

[Fatman17]

There is a 3rd track/competition in Project AZM. not much is known but l suspect it will include parts of KAAN and FC-31. Interesting times ahead both for Turkey and Pakistan .

 

[Azeri441]

Pakistan has an urgent need for fighters to keep up with India, another question is if Pakistan can even afford a sizeable number of Kaans, Kaan will have a price tag of 100 mil+, including other costs, we are probably looking at 200 mil total cost, Pakistan is in a middle of economic crisis and can't afford to spend billions on expensive fighters

 

[Fatman17]

Pakistan has an urgent need for fighters to keep up with India, another question is if Pakistan can even afford a sizeable number of Kaans, Kaan will have a price tag of 100 mil+, including other costs, we are probably looking at 200 mil total cost, Pakistan is in a middle of economic crisis and can't afford to spend billions on expensive fighters

At best 2 squadrons of KAAN.
FC-31 clocks in at 60m$ so probably 4 squadrons.
AZM really don't know.
Bulk of the air force will be comprised of JF-17 and J-10CE.
Total budgeted strength of the airforce is 20 squadrons (400 aircraft) but some quarters claim the strength has been upped to 26 squadrons.
India airforce budget is north of 40 squadrons. They would like a 2.5 to 1 advantage in numbers.

 

[Fatman17]

However l still feel that a variant of the F16 will also be in the mix.

 

[TheInsider]

Pakistan wants to use Kaan+J-31 in a hi-lo mix in the future. Chinese won't sell J-20 to anyone similar to F-22 of the US so Kaan will be the only 5th gen air superiority fighter on the market. Turkiye will produce and buy 2 per month for TurAF and another 2 per month will be allocated for exports after 2030. Scaling production even more will be a challenge but I believe 8 per month is achievable in the long run and probably will be the limit of what we can produce.

 

[B_A]

You know this is about 2040 and beyond,right?
How long will it take for us to build 200/250 KAAN's for our own airforce you think?
Lets say 24 a year at best,still a decade from 2030.
You never know what will happen to or in Pakistan till then.
Trust me,if Pakistan can Pakistan will buy KAAN.

Also most of words from a minister or a general is meaningless.

Our big people even said we are interested in Su35 and J10,as well as the type 23 .

 

[I_Love_F16]

Our big people even said we are interested in Su35 and J10,as well as the type 23 .

Who are these ‘’big people’’ ? Anyways it’s the Airforce who will decide which plane to buy.

 

[B_A]

Who are these ‘’big people’’ ? Anyways it’s the Airforce who will decide which plane to buy.

Erdogan and other ministers such as Hulusi Akar and İsmail demir.

That s very normal in every country.

Plans can be delayed and changed.

Pakistan decided to bought T-129 and then we said we can overcome the engine problem within one year. But we couldn’t. So they chose the Chinese helicopters later.

 

[Sanchez]

Italy to buy Roketsan's Cirit to be used on its Astore Tactical UCAVs. It's a purchase of 4 aircraft and 2 GCS so wouldn't expect something big but good news! If they like it, Cirit would also be a contender against APKWS for use on AW-249.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1744684226429989120

RID Rivista Italiana Difesa - UAV armati ASTORE per l'Aeronautica Militare

UAV armati ASTORE per l'Aeronautica Militare

www.rid.it

 

[boredaf]

Italy to buy Roketsan's Cirit to be used on its Astore Tactical UCAVs. It's a purchase of 4 aircraft and 2 GCS so wouldn't expect something big but good news! If they like it, Cirit would also be a contender against APKWS for use on AW-249.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1744684226429989120

RID Rivista Italiana Difesa - UAV armati ASTORE per l'Aeronautica Militare

UAV armati ASTORE per l'Aeronautica Militare

www.rid.it

I think they first bought some in 2020 to test with Astore, I remember seeing it on an official document. I wonder if they bought any since then or if this is the first order.

 

[Afif]

I think BAF has came up with the idea first. Putting Cirit with Falco.
APKWS has the advantage of modularity over Cirit. But I suspect, Cirit is still probably more cost effective.

 

[Sanchez]

I think they first bought some in 2020 to test with Astore, I remember seeing it on an official document. I wonder if they bought any since then or if this is the first order.

I think BAF has came up with the idea first. Putting Cirit with Falco.
APKWS has the advantage of modularity over Cirit. But I suspect, Cirit is still probably more cost effective.

I totally forgot reading about this in the past, yup. The twin Cirit launcher is also something I'm seeing for the first time.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1722202397194465433

 

[Stimpy75]

 

[Zafer]

View attachment 64624

One compact launcher pod holding a dozen Cirit missiles, nice.

 

[Sanchez]

One compact launcher pod holding a dozen Cirit missiles, nice.

No, that's TAI's 12x FFAR rocket pod. Cirit is carried in insulated launchers of 2 or 4.

Looking closer, Nigerian T129s are even more barebones than Filipino ones, no self defence equipment apart from the flare launchers and RWR receivers that I can see.

Compared to a Filipino T129B

And a late model T129B2

Infographic

 

[Zafer]

No, that's TAI's 12x FFAR rocket pod. Cirit is carried in insulated launchers of 2 or 4.

That seemed too good to be true anyway.

 

[Sanchez]

That seemed too good to be true anyway.

I had thought the same thing 10 years ago so I know!