TR Economy & Updates

[Huelague]

France ranks on 0.73 on rule of law (WJP)
France ranks 89/100 on Freedoms (Freedom House)

Turkey ranks 0.42 on rule of law (WJP)
Turkey ranks 32/100 on Freedoms (Freedom House)

An average French person earns $43,500 per year, an average Turk earns $9,500.
The writing is on the wall, all Turkish politicians know what they have to do.
I can't wait until we get of rid Erdo - he is pure incompetence.

You can compare OUR RULING (parliamentary) SYSTEM. Not the whole state at all.
Which party you prefer? @TheInsider said, FETO. Is that right?

 

[Zafer]

I just watched the parliamentary debate on the national budget. Everyone is fighting, shouting, cussing. The problems have reached such an extent that Parliamentarians' only option is to shout because they have no power under this presidential system. Turkey is too big and too complicated to be run by ONE man. Autocracy may work in a country like Singapore, but Turkey is too big and too complicated - people in Trabzon have different problems to people in Izmir.

Freedom House -

Turkey: Freedom in the World 2022 Country Report | Freedom House

See the Freedom in the World 2022 score and learn about democracy and freedom in Turkey.

freedomhouse.org

Freedom
Turkey gets a score of 32/100 on Freedom in 2022.
"Not Free"

Turkey's score in 2017 was 38/100.
"Partly Free"

You need a score of 70/100 and over to be considered "Free".

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World Justice Project - https://worldjusticeproject.org/rule-of-law-index/country/2022/Turkey/
Rule of Law
Turkey scored 0.42 out of 1, when it comes to rule of law in 2022. For comparison USA scored 0.73, Germany 0.83.

In 2016 Turkey scored 0.46 on rule of law, we have decreased since then - rule of law has gotten worse.

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International investors look at these graphics and they invest accordingly, when I see people shouting in Parliament, I'm not surprised because this system is broken, there is no justice, the newcomers in 2023 need to revamp the whole system.

You've probably seen the TBMM the first time.

 

[B_A]

You've probably seen the TBMM the first time.

At least better than Japanese parliament that half of lawmakers just sleeping

 

[Baklava Consumer]

You can compare OUR RULING (parliamentary) SYSTEM. Not the whole state at all.
Which party you prefer? @TheInsider said, FETO. Is that right?

I'm talking about revitalising institutions, bringing rule of law and freedoms.

All you people do is label people like autisitic conspiracy theorists. No I don't support Gulen.

 

[Musti82]

There are many factors about Turkey's economic downfall(yes downfall which is inevitable,they only postpone it!)
The first factor is Turkey is no longer producing anything,from agriculture to weath from consumer products to toys etc. just consuming and living with credits.
This is not sustainable. I am from Çorum. Nutuk will remember me and my hometown had a cement factory which was opened in late 1920s. It was working 7/24 with 3 shifts per day. This factory was privatized!(magical word for liberal/capitalists)and the buyers closed the factory and sold it's machinery,goods etc first. Then demolished it and sold it for construction company to build homes! The buyers had also connections from Brazil and they imported brazillian cement and sold it to Turkish market! This is how privatization have happened in Turkey 90% last 20 years! And you guys were expecting more competitive-liberal-cost effective economics,right?
Turkey lived a tulip period between 2003-2013,now it ended and it turns into a nightmare!The worst thing is religious affairs become number 1 reason and card to play againts Turkish voters when someone asks how the economy became worse than 2001 despite 1 party rule and all the powers were given one man! Well it is obvious to say Turkish citizens are tricked badly and we had worst goverment of history of modern Turkey!Those guys are purely thiefs noting more so there is nothing to discuss this any further.
When it comes to factors of economic turmoil;
1-corruption from top to very lowest sections of all over the country's state instutions.
2-huge spendings to illegals from 4rth world,who are nothing more than trouble and impossible to integrate them to society.
3-brain drain of technical-skilled staff who were actually real members of middle class,such as engineers,nurses,doctors,teachers,software specialists etc. When you destroy them then inner consumption stops which is alarmbelling for Turkish economy.
4-finally education system is totaly destroyed thanks to fake islamist fantasies.The real educated and talented people started to emigrate from high school graduation.This was unimaginable 20 years ago.
As for the oppositon I see no difference between them and current incompetants. They have NO PLANS,NO WISDOW,NO FREE-WILL,NO IDEA about real problems of Turkish society suffers now.They have lack of road map to do anything after winning. I see only viable option is Zafer Party.

 

[Zafer]

There are many factors about Turkey's economic downfall(yes downfall which is inevitable,they only postpone it!)
The first factor is Turkey is no longer producing anything,from agriculture to weath from consumer products to toys etc. just consuming and living with credits.
This is not sustainable. I am from Çorum. Nutuk will remember me and my hometown had a cement factory which was opened in late 1920s. It was working 7/24 with 3 shifts per day. This factory was privatized!(magical word for liberal/capitalists)and the buyers closed the factory and sold it's machinery,goods etc first. Then demolished it and sold it for construction company to build homes! The buyers had also connections from Brazil and they imported brazillian cement and sold it to Turkish market! This is how privatization have happened in Turkey 90% last 20 years! And you guys were expecting more competitive-liberal-cost effective economics,right?
Turkey lived a tulip period between 2003-2013,now it ended and it turns into a nightmare!The worst thing is religious affairs become number 1 reason and card to play againts Turkish voters when someone asks how the economy became worse than 2001 despite 1 party rule and all the powers were given one man! Well it is obvious to say Turkish citizens are tricked badly and we had worst goverment of history of modern Turkey!Those guys are purely thiefs noting more so there is nothing to discuss this any further.
When it comes to factors of economic turmoil;
1-corruption from top to very lowest sections of all over the country's state instutions.
2-huge spendings to illegals from 4rth world,who are nothing more than trouble and impossible to integrate them to society.
3-brain drain of technical-skilled staff who were actually real members of middle class,such as engineers,nurses,doctors,teachers,software specialists etc. When you destroy them then inner consumption stops which is alarmbelling for Turkish economy.
4-finally education system is totaly destroyed thanks to fake islamist fantasies.The real educated and talented people started to emigrate from high school graduation.This was unimaginable 20 years ago.
As for the oppositon I see no difference between them and current incompetants. They have NO PLANS,NO WISDOW,NO FREE-WILL,NO IDEA about real problems of Turkish society suffers now.They have lack of road map to do anything after winning. I see only viable option is Zafer Party.

I couldn"t get past reading your second sentence, so unaware of facts.

 

[B_A]

There are many factors about Turkey's economic downfall(yes downfall which is inevitable,they only postpone it!)
The first factor is Turkey is no longer producing anything,from agriculture to weath from consumer products to toys etc. just consuming and living with credits.
This is not sustainable. I am from Çorum. Nutuk will remember me and my hometown had a cement factory which was opened in late 1920s. It was working 7/24 with 3 shifts per day. This factory was privatized!(magical word for liberal/capitalists)and the buyers closed the factory and sold it's machinery,goods etc first. Then demolished it and sold it for construction company to build homes! The buyers had also connections from Brazil and they imported brazillian cement and sold it to Turkish market! This is how privatization have happened in Turkey 90% last 20 years! And you guys were expecting more competitive-liberal-cost effective economics,right?
Turkey lived a tulip period between 2003-2013,now it ended and it turns into a nightmare!The worst thing is religious affairs become number 1 reason and card to play againts Turkish voters when someone asks how the economy became worse than 2001 despite 1 party rule and all the powers were given one man! Well it is obvious to say Turkish citizens are tricked badly and we had worst goverment of history of modern Turkey!Those guys are purely thiefs noting more so there is nothing to discuss this any further.
When it comes to factors of economic turmoil;
1-corruption from top to very lowest sections of all over the country's state instutions.
2-huge spendings to illegals from 4rth world,who are nothing more than trouble and impossible to integrate them to society.
3-brain drain of technical-skilled staff who were actually real members of middle class,such as engineers,nurses,doctors,teachers,software specialists etc. When you destroy them then inner consumption stops which is alarmbelling for Turkish economy.
4-finally education system is totaly destroyed thanks to fake islamist fantasies.The real educated and talented people started to emigrate from high school graduation.This was unimaginable 20 years ago.
As for the oppositon I see no difference between them and current incompetants. They have NO PLANS,NO WISDOW,NO FREE-WILL,NO IDEA about real problems of Turkish society suffers now.They have lack of road map to do anything after winning. I see only viable option is Zafer Party.

So we was a developed country like UK Germany Japan before 2000s?

What brand and tech products we had before 2000s?

 

[Xenon54]

At least better than Japanese parliament that half of lawmakers just sleeping

And yet they run the country better than our political system, kinda reminds me on Belgium that had no government for years yet still didnt have anarchy on the streets.
Despite their own problems all these countries offer a better life for their citizen compared to Turkey, thats the difference bewteen countries with checks and balances between institutions and those without.

 

[Huelague]

"Türkiye aims to reach $16 billion in export to Iraq in 2023 to put in second place in the ranking of countries, to which makes highest sales."

DS.

 

[Corvus]

There are many factors about Turkey's economic downfall(yes downfall which is inevitable,they only postpone it!)
The first factor is Turkey is no longer producing anything,from agriculture to weath from consumer products to toys etc. just consuming and living with credits.

This is simply not true.

Turkey produces a lot. More than any other country around us.

 

[B_A]

And yet they run the country better than our political system, kinda reminds me on Belgium that had no government for years yet still didnt have anarchy on the streets.
Despite their own problems all these countries offer a better life for their citizen compared to Turkey, thats the difference bewteen countries with checks and balances between institutions and those without.

because they lost to american and controlled by them.just like Ottoman without Ataturk.Before that japan was a crazy country

seems that independence and better political system cant be achieved at the same time for non-western countries.

China, Russia....all of their political system is terrible

 

[Huelague]

This is simply not true.

Turkey produces a lot. More than any other country around us.

Which is not a hard challenge.

 

[Kedikesenfare]

This is simply not true.

Turkey produces a lot. More than any other country around us.

His criticism is unfounded and obviously politically motivated.

He picked out the one good thing about our economy and that is our diversified industrial production capacity. Even our worst critics agree that Turkey is in fact a producing nation. No doubt, we have major issues and shortcomings that need to be addressed immediately but this statement of his is false.

 

[Corvus]

His criticism is unfounded and obviously politically motivated.

He picked out the one good thing about our economy and that is our diversified industrial production capacity. Even our worst critics agree that Turkey is in fact a producing nation. No doubt, we have major issues and shortcomings that need to be addressed immediately but this statement of his is false.

Somehow this "we don't produce" thing became a baseless slogan in everyone's mouth who wants criticize current economical problems.

As you said Turkey is a producing, hardworking and energetic nation. For instance, you can build a skyscraper from scratch and totally equip with everything needed from pipes to furniture, from cables to elevator, just by using Turkish made products. This is something very few countries have.

Not even just materials and goods but also things like music, movies, series etc. I have been living in Italy for some time (which is a developed industrial country) and I can easily say today's Turkey produces more and better than Italians in these fields.

People who never been abroad can't compare it I guess.

 

[B_A]

Somehow this "we don't produce" thing became a baseless slogan in everyone's mouth who wants criticize current economical problems.

As you said Turkey is a producing, hardworking and energetic nation. For instance, you can build a skyscraper from scratch and totally equip with everything needed from pipes to furniture, from cables to elevator, just by using Turkish made products. This is something very few countries have.

Not even just materials and goods but also things like music, movies, series etc. I have been living in Italy for some time (which is a developed industrial country) and I can easily say today's Turkey produces more and better than Italians in these fields.

People who never been abroad can't compare it I guess.

All we need are

1.to reduce our import from Chinese

2.make our brand(Beko,Togg,Vestel) as famous as Samsung or Sony

 

[Deliorman]

No, Turkey is not a big producer nation and this is being proven by the data about the exports of every country. You can't say that you are a big producer when you export way less than a poor country like Vietnam or Poland (with 38mln population), Malaysia (with 34mln people) and even less than Czechia (with 10mln people). Look how close to Turkey Austria, the UAE, Ireland and even Hungary are- all of them countries with way less population.

Even Bulgaria that has a population of 6,5 million has an export of 42 billion USD last year compared to Turkey's 225 billion USD and a population of 85 million people. A rough calculation shows that Bulgaria exports around 5 times less than Turkey in absolute numbers while having a 13 times smaller population. That means that the average export per person of Bulgaria is 2,5 times bigger than that of the average Turk. And Bulgaria is the shittiest country in the EU, I won't lie to you.

 

[GoatsMilk]

No, Turkey is not a big producer nation and this is being proven by the data about the exports of every country. You can't say that you are a big producer when you export way less than a poor country like Vietnam or Poland (with 38mln population), Malaysia (with 34mln people) and even less than Czechia (with 10mln people). Look how close to Turkey Austria, the UAE, Ireland and even Hungary are- all of them countries with way less population.

Even Bulgaria that has a population of 6,5 million has an export of 42 billion USD last year compared to Turkey's 225 billion USD and a population of 85 million people. A rough calculation shows that Bulgaria exports around 5 times less than Turkey in absolute numbers while having a 13 times smaller population. That means that the average export per person of Bulgaria is 2,5 times bigger than that of the average Turk. And Bulgaria is the shittiest country in the EU, I won't lie to you.


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unfortunately political islam has our people bound in a spell.

 

[Zafer]

No, Turkey is not a big producer nation and this is being proven by the data about the exports of every country. You can't say that you are a big producer when you export way less than a poor country like Vietnam or Poland (with 38mln population), Malaysia (with 34mln people) and even less than Czechia (with 10mln people). Look how close to Turkey Austria, the UAE, Ireland and even Hungary are- all of them countries with way less population.

Even Bulgaria that has a population of 6,5 million has an export of 42 billion USD last year compared to Turkey's 225 billion USD and a population of 85 million people. A rough calculation shows that Bulgaria exports around 5 times less than Turkey in absolute numbers while having a 13 times smaller population. That means that the average export per person of Bulgaria is 2,5 times bigger than that of the average Turk. And Bulgaria is the shittiest country in the EU, I won't lie to you.


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Türkiye has a diversified economy not relying on a few industries alone. Turkiye is also poised to make a jump towards high value production which will include some stuff which we have been inporting so far including display panels and microchips. There are many areas that local production is to be started in the coming years mostly in higher rech field. These initiatives will boost exports of Turkiye above $500bn.

 

[Xenon54]

This is simply not true.

Turkey produces a lot. More than any other country around us.

Yes Turkey has more diverse economy but he is not wrong, for 80 million the industrial output should be much higher, Germany has same population this show where we are and where we should actually be.

 

[Deliorman]

Yeah, yeah I know... We will do this and do that but SOMEDAY in the future. We have seen enough promises and talking especially around election times.

With this huge brain drain and destroyed educational system, unreliable judiciary system, with so much corruption and the bad business climate in Turkey it will somehow turn into a tech giant and exports will absolutely explode, he he.

ps For years we have been talking the same things and arguing on the same topics and still nothing is different.