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Only 14% of state budget goes to interest on debt expenditure, government debt is at 26,7% of GDP, where is the high debt? It is the great war of independence being won in slow motion. Another 5 years and with the energy sector revolution completed goodbye to every weakness Turkish economy suffered from in ages. Energy sector positive Türkiye is a nation most resilient and powerful. Look at the collapsing world and you see Türkiye rising.
Fucking hell... you truly do not live in the real world. People can barely afford the live and yet you're spewing shite about country rising. Turkish lira is at its lowest, everything is getting more expensive day by day, but it is all good, it is the world that is collapsing. I'd bet my life that if the shoe was on the other foot and your messiah wasn't in charge of the government you'd be frothing at the mouth about the state of the economy right now.
 

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Whats that?
As resident Mersinian, I'd like to chime in on this.

As you know, Mersin is famous for its tantuni, but liver or various kebab types are also very popular. All of those require lavaş, or flatbread to consume. To prefer anything other than flatbread means you are not actually fit to consume Mersin's food. This naturally means the city (population 1 million, roughly) is home to thousands of restaurants that require literal tons of flatbread daily.

It turns out there existed a mafia that was aiming to monopolize faltbread production. I didn't look into it but they are going to turn out to be kurdish. Police did a large scale operation targeting the bread gang.


10.7 billion liras. Imagine the scale of the operation.
 

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If you have two countries with equal GDP in PPP terms, but one has double GDP in nominal terms because local prices are twice as high, their economies are not equal. The country with higher nominal GDP has much more purchasing power for imports of raw materials, technology, weapons, etc., or to make investments.

It depends. There are a lot of issues with nominal GDP (converted to USD directly) as well.

It assumes USD based trade/capital flows are

a) something like 20% of total GDP to achieve something close to pareto quantitatively
b) the impact even if a) is met is pareto qualitatively on the remaining 80%

Most times a) isnt met to begin with and b) is of varying correlation to extrapolate 1:1 to from that 20% (i.e final consumption and final investment rarely sufficiently mirrors what is traded/intersected with others)

That was the whole reason why the concept of PPP started since large countries at the time (1980s) such as PRC were barely having any trade intersection with the world to begin with, yet obviously were consuming energy and other base inputs far more than the resulting nominal conversion suggested.

There is nothing intrinsically wrong with China having a higher PPP GDP than the US today. It has advanced considerably post-Mao and has a population 4 - 5 times higher than the US. It is simply matter of time it consumes more than the US does. Same goes for India whenever that happens....again the population is much higher than the US.

It is not PPP's fault either that the GDP nominal is inflated with various countries. All PPP does is more accurately reflect the 80% bulk of economy that is not following the pareto correlation transmission by looking at actual prices and consumption scales there. Part of reason CCP has also not allowed same sampling rate (number of cities allowed in survey etc) like other peer countries do if you look at the relevant papers involved.

i.e that is separate matter with say PRC and it being brought up like it did with Wen Jiabao and Li Keiqiang, the reforms they suggested (at local CCP level where there was bad incentive structure in reporting and tabulation and errors compounded over time to make it "unreliable") and so on..... till both them and their factions were suppressed by the current guy. Those that also use (or are convinced by) the nominal figure in "beijing CCP asserts so" weathervane kind of way with no proper caveats added. given all this....again thats on them.
 

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It depends. There are a lot of issues with nominal GDP (converted to USD directly) as well.

I agree with you that nominal GDP is also a very flawed indicator.

I thnk that the PPP variant is more relevant when comparing the purchasing power of the population, while nominal value is more relevant when comparing the size of a countr’s economy,

What matters most for a person is the quantity of goods and services he/she can purchase (which outside vacations is almost completely spent locally), so the PPP adjustment makes sense.

But when comparing countries, what matters is their ability to trade, to project power and to intercat with other countries. This is mostly done in nominal terms.

You can’t buy F35 jets or Blackwell NVIDIA chips with PPP adjusted dollars.

When you compare company profits, you don’t use PPP. You simply convert their earnings at the market rate. A multinational company earning billions of dollars in the US is much wealthier than a company earning millions of dollars in India, because it has more money for M&A or for expansion abroad. The PPP becomes meaningless in this situation.
 

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As resident Mersinian, I'd like to chime in on this.

As you know, Mersin is famous for its tantuni, but liver or various kebab types are also very popular. All of those require lavaş, or flatbread to consume. To prefer anything other than flatbread means you are not actually fit to consume Mersin's food. This naturally means the city (population 1 million, roughly) is home to thousands of restaurants that require literal tons of flatbread daily.

It turns out there existed a mafia that was aiming to monopolize faltbread production. I didn't look into it but they are going to turn out to be kurdish. Police did a large scale operation targeting the bread gang.


10.7 billion liras. Imagine the scale of the operation.
What kind of flatbread is this? Almost a $250 million market, and that much money circulating in a single city, isn't that abnormal? So, it's not about the flatbread!
 

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What kind of flatbread is this? Almost a $250 million market, and that much money circulating in a single city, isn't that abnormal? So, it's not about the flatbread!
$250m in 5 years. It's possible especially if they branched out to Adana. Lavaş is the lord of all bread. Praise be upon lavaş.
 

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Here as @Zafer like PPP and charts here another chart from 2024.
Median disposable income compared to European countries Turkiye is lower than any EU country in similar levels with Serbia.


Fig1_Median_equivalised_disposable_income_and_magnitude_of_social_transfers%2C_2024_%28PPS_per_inhabitant%29.png


Another important data is the GINI index where Turkiye performs the worst in the whole Europe, the wealth is going just a few riches.
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Stats of the day
Unemployment @ 7.7 %
Central bank forex @ $215.6 bn
Gold reserves @ 642 ton #10 in the world
Stock market soaring @ 13.650
Passenger plane count @ 800 up 242 in the last 5 years 43%
having a good day
 

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